What makes you think Islam is a false religion?

[.lava]

Are you assuming I have not fallen to my knees in tears with my life on the line and honestly asked god for answers?

Are you assuming I am a lifelong atheist?

Perhaps you should explore my previous posts...

i don't know you and i don't know your experience in life. i know mine. whatever i am saying is coming from my own experience in life, not yours.

I do *NOT* accept your argument from authority that you know god exists. I call you on it and you continue to proclaim that you, depite no way to ever prove anything you want me to believe, to be true that I should accept it... you just want to say it and thus make it so...

you don't have to accept anything i say. yet i do not think you have right to expect me to say things i personally do not believe.

I want to say to you... I am not a fool and you should cease in your attempt to make me appear to be one by forcing me to accept the drivel your earnestly believe but can in no way prove.

i don't think you're fool. i was not even expecting this reaction from you. i certainly do not know where my words reach and what they remind you. why do you even feel forced? i am just expressing how i feel and what i think with words.

You know Islam is the true religion and the god exists in the same way Storm is a non-theistic believer in god and in the same way Deepshadow knows Joe Smith to be the one true prophet and that mormonism is the one true religion.

yes, i do know that. i am certain that there is one creator with no partners. why does my certainity bother you?

You know your beliefs are true in the same manner that I know no one can know.

this is your conclusion. i disagree with that.

So unless you have ESP or some other mental faculty that other humans dont posess you are just a cold blooded liar on a mission to mislead everyone you speak too in the sense that you are somehow better then most other people and in the sense that you somehow know better.

i am not a liar. every person have more than 5 senses. i am better? i know i am weak, i know it is not in my power to decide staying alive, i know that i have no idea what tomorrow would bring..i accept i am weak, would it make me better than you?

And this kind of knowing takes no degree or rationality... ironically it relies solely on gullibility... Wow... You might win that prize mate.

as i tried to say before, i am alone in my own reality and it is real to me. i can't force you to see through my eyes. but i would not come up and say i think there is God because i do have faith in God and it does not start by maybes or guesses. i am sorry, i did not have intention to make you upset and i sincerely do not think you are fool. i do not understand why you're so hostile to me. i am unsure if it is really related to me. if i broke your heart, i apologize, did not mean to.


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[Riverwolf]

questioning is half of knowing and yes, we can know. if you have faith and love who created you, your questioning would be answered by God.


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The problem is that different people seem to get different answers from God... all of them perfectly credible.

Whose to say which one is the real God?

 

[Riverwolf]

Are you assuming I have not fallen to my knees in tears with my life on the line and honestly asked god for answers?

Are you assuming I am a lifelong atheist?

Perhaps you should explore my previous posts...

I do *NOT* accept your argument from authority that you know god exists. I call you on it and you continue to proclaim that you, depite no way to ever prove anything you want me to believe, to be true that I should accept it... you just want to say it and thus make it so...

I want to say to you... I am not a fool and you should cease in your attempt to make me appear to be one by forcing me to accept the drivel your earnestly believe but can in no way prove.

You know Islam is the true religion and the god exists in the same way Storm is a non-theistic believer in god and in the same way Deepshadow knows Joe Smith to be the one true prophet and that mormonism is the one true religion.

You know your beliefs are true in the same manner that I know no one can know. So unless you have ESP or some other mental faculty that other humans dont posess you are just a cold blooded liar on a mission to mislead everyone you speak too in the sense that you are somehow better then most other people and in the sense that you somehow know better. And this kind of knowing takes no degree or rationality... ironically it relies solely on gullibility... Wow... You might win that prize mate.

Isn't that just a little unfair...? I'd keep such things in for PMs in the future.

 

[Sententia]

i don't know you and i don't know your experience in life. i know mine. whatever i am saying is coming from my own experience in life, not yours. you don't have to accept anything i say. yet i do not think you have right to expect me to say things i personally do not believe.
i don't think you're fool. i was not even expecting this reaction from you. i certainly do not know where my words reach and what they remind you. why do you even feel forced? i am just expressing how i feel and what i think with words.

Cheers. You don't expect my response because you dont know me. You dont know I almost died because of my moms religious beliefs. You dont know me being excomminicated from one religion while being baptized into another and you dont know me being handed a mic during a sermon to speak out against reverend who was being obviously racist and who got called on it... You cant know me... Much like you cant know god exists but you proclaim you not only know god exists but also the religion he wants us to practice and the behaviours we should have.... You proclaim to know the rewards of afterlife if we do so.... I proclaim we can not know... who do you think is right?

yes, i do know that. i am certain that there is one creator with no partners. why does my certainity bother you?

I dunno... lack of evidence or proof... A proclamation that you know for sure but could never prove it to another rational person...

this is your conclusion. i disagree with that.

How? You say you can't prove it but disagree with the notion that you cant prove it?

i am not a liar.

According to YOU. Seriously... how could you lie if you are only proclaiming what you believe in? Right... I mean you have no proof and just are very very gullible and will believe almost anything if told to you by a person in a position of authority... isnt that unfair of me? To accurately point out that your just gullible and repeating what your told with no proof as fact and luring people down your road of baseless and unscienific belief... how rude of me... you dont know better.... why shoud call ignorance a lie even if it is?

Your gonna argue that?( would argue the use or your vrs you're etc... You can completely destroy my grammer unless I go edit it....)

every person have more than 5 senses.

And I said they did not right? What will be more enlightening is for you to explain the senses that prove islam and how anyone can tap into them.

i am better? i know i am weak, i know it is not in my power to decide staying alive, i know that i have no idea what tomorrow would bring..i accept i am weak, would it make me better than you?
as i tried to say before, i am alone in my own reality and it is real to me. i can't force you to see through my eyes. but i would not come up and say i think there is God because i do have faith in God and it does not start by maybes or guesses. i am sorry, i did not have intention to make you upset and i sincerely do not think you are fool. i do not understand why you're so hostile to me. i am unsure if it is really related to me. if i broke your heart, i apologize, did not mean to..

Point of fact... I have been stabbed in the gut, shot at, beaten and endured cancer and the treatments that cure one of cancer.... I have been beaten down bitten by both human and dog and felt the delightful sting of a bat across my cheeks and back..... You are incapable of hurting me through the medium that is these forums... you can hate me... I have said many times I am comfortable and familiar with faith... I am not upset. I simply have challenged you in the terms I have described and you are and will continue to back down because there is no terra firma for you to stand upon.

kthxbye!

Seriously... Do you seriously believe with the thousands of religions worldwide you have somehow stumbled upon the true one?

 

[Sententia]

Isn't that just a little unfair...? I'd keep such things in for PMs in the future.

Since when is being honest unfair? These people have openly called me on my beliefs... Why not cite them and MYSELF in defense of my own beliefs... its a track record anyone can go back and read.

Everyone from every religion knows people who ardently and vehemently believe in their own religion and their own beliefs as true.. And they normally know that there are many other religions with people who believe just as strongly if not more so in religions diametrically opposed to their own beliefs....

Where people go from there is up to them. Some get mad and some just bear it... If the shoe fits?

And yes there are probably some people that believe what they believe and believe the entire world also believes what they believe or some varition that does not exclude or challenge their personal beliefs... I guess the question is do you believe that?

Do not feel obigated to answer... I dont expect people to always react nicely to me and understand I spout blasphemous and challenging crazy new age ideas....

I expect to be hated....

 

[.lava]

Cheers. You don't expect my response because you dont know me. You dont know I almost died because of my moms religious beliefs. You dont know me being excomminicated from one religion while being baptized into another and you dont know me being handed a mic during a sermon to speak out against reverend who was being obviously racist and who got called on it... You cant know me... Much like you cant know god exists but you proclaim you not only know god exists but also the religion he wants us to practice and the behaviours we should have.... You proclaim to know the rewards of afterlife if we do so.... I proclaim we can not know... who do you think is right?

i did not expect your reaction because i did not intent to attack you. if i insulted you for believing in not knowing, then i would expect that. you've been through a lot. in the mean while, i was not resting in paradise island though. you don't know me either.

in the present moment we are both right. because you say you don't know because you don't and i say i know because i know. you also say that i can not know because you don't know. i also say i know and anyone would know. do you think it is right to dedicate everyone the same limits that you put in your life? i hope you don't get me in a negative way again. here it is you who says 'i can't' and i am the one who says 'you can'

I dunno... lack of evidence or proof... A proclamation that you know for sure but could never prove it to another rational person...

i get that. this is God we are talking about. i know you're an atheist. but i would try to explain anyway. you are not asking for evidence for my talent in art or evidence for my education level, or color of my eyes. you're asking evidence for God, i am not God. i could offer evidence for things about me. evidence of God could only come from God.

How? You say you can't prove it but disagree with the notion that you cant prove it?

"You know your beliefs are true in the same manner that I know no one can know."

this is what you said. your belief makes me a deluded person. in other words, while my belief does not put any borders in front of you, your belief does. so i disagree.

According to YOU. Seriously... how could you lie if you are only proclaiming what you believe in? Right... I mean you have no proof and just are very very gullible and will believe almost anything if told to you by a person in a position of authority... isnt that unfair of me? To accurately point out that your just gullible and repeating what your told with no proof as fact and luring people down your road of baseless and unscienific belief... how rude of me... you dont know better.... why shoud call ignorance a lie even if it is?

when you talk about your beliefs and thoughts i believe you. i believe things you said about your life. if i was suspicious then i would be paranoid and unhappy. i do need proof to lose trust in you.

who do you think authority is? some guy who talks about God and just because i feel like i need to believe in something, i believe in him. i am so naive and ready to believe anything? that's not how it is. being certain about my faith does not stop my questioning. but my questions are not rooted in doubts. why is it unfair to you?

i know i am ignorant, are you not?

And I said they did not right? What will be more enlightening is for you to explain the senses that prove islam and how anyone can tap into them.

don't you think senses are our tools? i mean, we both see. the same eyes would see mountain as they would see ant. what you see does not define sense itself. Islam is submission. when we die we submit everything. Islam teaches how to submit before death. at the end it is gonna happen anyway even if it is against free will.

i am not ignoring the rest of your post, i must go now.



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[Riverwolf]

Since when is being honest unfair? These people have openly called me on my beliefs... Why not cite them and MYSELF in defense of my own beliefs... its a track record anyone can go back and read.

Everyone from every religion knows people who ardently and vehemently believe in their own religion and their own beliefs as true.. And they normally know that there are many other religions with people who believe just as strongly if not more so in religions diametrically opposed to their own beliefs....

Where people go from there is up to them. Some get mad and some just bear it... If the shoe fits?

And yes there are probably some people that believe what they believe and believe the entire world also believes what they believe or some varition that does not exclude or challenge their personal beliefs... I guess the question is do you believe that?

Do not feel obigated to answer... I dont expect people to always react nicely to me and understand I spout blasphemous and challenging crazy new age ideas....

I expect to be hated....

If you know me, then you know that I do not hate even the Nazis or Hitler, despite what they did, let alone a guy ranting. (meant in good terms)

And here's a falsehood that you state. Every religious person believes vehemently that they're correct, and has a ton of people backing them up. This is not true at all.


In my religion, I'm all alone. Neither do I claim it to be the only correct one; quite the contrary. My faith is not strong at all; it's actually a side thing. That's why on here where it asks for my religion, I wrote "Tolkienite Nerd". Because modern fantasy is what I do religiously. I am trying to get into Dungeons and Dragons. I have a map of Middle Earth on my wall, a printed out painting of classic Hyrule on my wall, a poster for Civilization IV Gold Edition, a poster of Led Zeppelin's Stairway to Heaven on my wall (enough posters! :angel2 a 100 dollar leather-bound copy of Lord of the Rings (gold-rimmed pages as well, with Elven letters in red and a full fold-out map of Middle Earth); I play lots of RPGs, particularly the Elder Scrolls games, and I have downloaded on my computer the classic Goldbox AD&D games... and a Commodore 64 that I recently bought on Ebay for 60 bucks...

That's just the tip of the iceburg. My point in all that, which I'm sure you don't really care about, anyway D), is that my mythological and philosophical religion is secondary at best. My faith is not as strong as a Muslim's, Christian's, Jew's, or even yours. So when you said that everyone who was religious was vehemont in their faith, it was incorrect. I'm religious. I'm anything but vehemont.

And I don't hate you at all for your words. I follow Jesus's example of unconditional love for all.

EDIT: Wait! Nevermind... I read your statement wrong. Sorry!

 

[tariqkhwaja]

Are you assuming I have not fallen to my knees in tears with my life on the line and honestly asked god for answers?

You have? He didn't? How?

 

[tariqkhwaja]

We are our beliefs. To say that you hate our beliefs is saying that you hate us. You cannot love someone and hate what they are at the same time. I am a Hindu, you hate Hinduism, therefore you hate me.

There is no love in your religion for non-Muslims from what I can see. To actually say you hate someone you don't know is very strong and I know of few religions that preach hate like that. The closest I can think of is Nazism and the KKK.

In my religion we have no hate for anybody. There is only forgiveness. I believe it is the same in Christianity as well, and in Buddhism, Sikhism. And you are saying we say 2+2 = 5?

Your religion is clearly false because it is full of hate.

You choose your beliefs Suraj. A child chooses to touch fire. I hate the fact that any child could think that touching fire is good for him. It is out of the love for the child, however, that one has such hatred.

I love you and love all humans around me. And it is this love and care that forces me to detest your choices. So, yes, I hate the choice of being a Hindu, Christian or any other religion. Yet, I love you and my hatred springs from that love.

Unfortunately, God has allowed humans to make that choice and I am not going to be one to force you. You can choose what you want but my detestation of your choice does not decrease. And nor does my care for you and all my human brothers out there. Do you get it now? If anything it increases my worry.

 

[Right_Path]

Suraj, I replied to your fight the unbelievers claims with this one, and I am ready to add more God-willing.

60-9
''Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity.''

Take this one as well

43-88
Allah has knowledge) of the (Prophet's) cry, "O my Lord! Truly these are people who will not believe!"

43-89
But turn away from them, and say "Peace!" But soon shall they know!

Did you see what was God's advice for the prophet in no-war times regarding unbelievers....I hope you can read the underlined word.

 

[Riverwolf]

You choose your beliefs Suraj. A child chooses to touch fire. I hate the fact that any child could think that touching fire is good for him. It is out of the love for the child, however, that one has such hatred.

I love you and love all humans around me. And it is this love and care that forces me to detest your choices. So, yes, I hate the choice of being a Hindu, Christian or any other religion. Yet, I love you and my hatred springs from that love.

Unfortunately, God has allowed humans to make that choice and I am not going to be one to force you. You can choose what you want but my detestation of your choice does not decrease. And nor does my care for you and all my human brothers out there. Do you get it now? If anything it increases my worry.

Yet I would argue that having any thoughts of hatred, of anything and any kind, is touching fire. Hating that a child could think that touching fire is good for him could easily lead, if you're not mindful, to hating the child for thinking that touching the fire is good for him, when in fact he's touching the fire because he's curious and wants to know what that bright thing is, and the only way he knows how to inspect something is to touch it. He doesn't have any fathoming that touching fire will burn him.

Someone choosing a religion that's not your own is not like touching fire at all. Touching fire has immediate and obvious consequences; Hinduism has been around in many forms for far longer than Islam as Mohammad preached has been. If Hinduism, as just an example, were equated with touching fire, the religion would have diminished shortly after it was founded, along with all other non-Abrahamic religions. That they are thriving even today 1500 years after the Qur'an was written indicates to me that Whatever's-In-Charge blesses them as It blesses Islam, Judaism, Christianity, and any other Abrahamic faith.

 

[DallasApple]

What is touching fire..???

Love

Dallas

 

[YmirGF]

Suraj, I replied to your fight the unbelievers claims with this one, and I am ready to add more God-willing.

'Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity.''

To put this another way, it is also saying:
"Allah forbids you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought against you on account of religion and drove you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal inequitably."

Take this one as well

Allah has knowledge) of the (Prophet's) cry, "O my Lord! Truly these are people who will not believe!"
But turn away from them, and say "Peace!" But soon shall they know!

Did you see what was God's advice for the prophet in no-war times regarding unbelievers....I hope you can read the underlined word.

Hmmm. Clipping there does make it sound as if it is addressed to unbelievers in general, where in fact it is addressed the People of the Book.

81 Say (O Muhammad): If the Beneficent One hath a son, then, I shall be first among the worshippers. (But there is no son).
82 Glorified be the Lord of the heavens and the earth, the Lord of the Throne, from that which they ascribe (unto Him)!
83 So let them flounder (in their talk) and play until they meet the Day which they are promised.
84 And He it is Who in the heaven is God, and in the earth God. He is the Wise, the Knower.
85 And blessed be He unto Whom belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and with Whom is knowledge of the Hour, and unto Whom ye will be returned.
86 And those unto whom they cry instead of Him possess no power of intercession, saving him who beareth witness unto the Truth knowingly.
87 And if thou ask them who created them, they will surely say: Allah. How then are they turned away ?
88 And he saith: O my Lord! Lo! these are a folk who believe not.
89 Then bear with them (O Muhammad) and say: Peace. But they will come to know.

It could just be me, but I see this as Muhammed having a bit of a pep talk with the troops, as it were. He is explaining, that even when Muslims cannot defeat arguments or answer questions satisfactorily, eventually People of the Book will come to understand -- when they are standing in front of and being judged by Allah (Which will, by default, be a bit late). Then they will know the gravity of their error for arguing with the right thinking of Muslims. It's akin to the "he who laughs last" scenario. You see, Muhammed may have been a lot of things, but he wasn't a fool. He understood that his people's time was important and if someone just wanted to argue and the Muslims couldn't answer the line of questioning, it was better just to smile, say "Peace!" and then cut and run. This would allow them to move on to the next mark who might possibly be more receptive.

I dunno, Right Path, how do you interpret this the passages from 81 to 89? :flirt:

 

[darkendless]

An amusing argument...

Do you know they were guilty? We have put to death people that were later found to be innocent and we dont put people to death lightly... We have freed people after Decades because they were acquitted and tried to make their years of imprisonment ok by giving them many dollars upon release... (Ie millions)

The money it costs... right... So in days not so far gone we used to take all our criminals and put em on a boat... and that boat went to Austraila where we dropped em off and not in chains... we just left them there and said make your new life here away from our country... was that nice to the people of austraila? well... probably not... Probably not the best solution but was it better than killing or torturing people? Guilty or not there is no point in killing in torturing a person unless it somehow helps that person...

Im not seeing that argument.

Ummm im not talking about killing them anymore, im talking about them doing something for the community. Its not torture, its just work. They work in prison anyway. Butr instead of pointlessly building things around the prisons they could erect playgrounds and things for the community. How torturous is that? Not very.

 

[Sententia]

You have? He didn't? How?

I don't know what's more ridiculous... the fact that you believe god is a "he" or that if you honestly pray to the invisible man in your head he will change the world for you...

Are you familiar with the Tale of Jack and the Beanstalk? It is a fantasy yes? What if it was part of your religion and you were raised that way? Would you argue as vehemently for the three magic beans?

I am convinced many would.

If you were raised in Utah among the mormons you would believe in Joseph Smith... If you were raised in ancient Egypt then Ra or Osiris... perhaps Isis? Along the rivers traveling with the norse in their long boats... would it be Odin then? Loki maybe....

I dunno... I know some of us are conditioned to believe in one way or the other. These stories of gods and holy books and fantastical tales are told to us when where young... When we are credulous... There is good reason for us to be credulous... But were we taken advantage of?

Not everyone can overcome the addiction that is religion... Its not even recognized by most as a problem... and perhaps its not.... But the rationalizations given sound awfully like a smoker defending cigerettes or a functional alcholic defending the drink...

Not always... but sometimes I get that feeling.

 

[Sententia]

Ummm im not talking about killing them anymore, im talking about them doing something for the community. Its not torture, its just work. They work in prison anyway. Butr instead of pointlessly building things around the prisons they could erect playgrounds and things for the community. How torturous is that? Not very.

Yeah... I'll go with you on this one... I believe something similar is done in norway... The point I was trying to make is that I dont think its right to torture others if it will do no good for that person or if it is only to give the torturers or those that endorse torture a false sense of relief or satisfaction.

 

[.lava]

Yet I would argue that having any thoughts of hatred, of anything and any kind, is touching fire.

i agree with that. hatred should never take place in one's heart. nothing good comes out of it. we might not love but that is not necessarily equal hate.


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[tariqkhwaja]

Yet I would argue that having any thoughts of hatred, of anything and any kind, is touching fire. Hating that a child could think that touching fire is good for him could easily lead, if you're not mindful, to hating the child for thinking that touching the fire is good for him, when in fact he's touching the fire because he's curious and wants to know what that bright thing is, and the only way he knows how to inspect something is to touch it. He doesn't have any fathoming that touching fire will burn him.

Exactly what I am saying. How can anyone who is "mindful" hate the child? If someone does so ... if a mother does so she is stupid to say the least. Yes you have to be mindful. Maybe it is a fine line but there is a line. I can simultaneously love someone and hate what they stand for. There is no contradiction. In fact, the opposite is true. It is because I love someone that I hate what they stand for when it is tantamount to touching fire. If I didn't love them I just wouldn't care.

Someone choosing a religion that's not your own is not like touching fire at all. Touching fire has immediate and obvious consequences; Hinduism has been around in many forms for far longer than Islam as Mohammad preached has been. If Hinduism, as just an example, were equated with touching fire, the religion would have diminished shortly after it was founded, along with all other non-Abrahamic religions. That they are thriving even today 1500 years after the Qur'an was written indicates to me that Whatever's-In-Charge blesses them as It blesses Islam, Judaism, Christianity, and any other Abrahamic faith.

Just because something does not have immediate consequences does not make it any less dangerous and should not make one any less worried.

Thriving religions are because the consequences of choosing the wrong religion are not immediately obvious. Atheism is a pretty thriving religion too in my opinion. In fact I believe many believers are subconciously Athiests and just don't admit it (at least that is what their actions show). But religion is a matter between God and an injustice to Him. And if God dealt with injustice to Him in this world no human would have survived.

Injustices to humans are dealt with in this world. Injustice to God is left for the hereafter.

I do not want to give the impression here, though, that because of this one can only figure out the correct religion after death. It is just that the truth is quite covert in this world and a certain amount of effort and reasoning needs to be made before it can be found.

 

[tariqkhwaja]

I don't know what's more ridiculous... the fact that you believe god is a "he" or that if you honestly pray to the invisible man in your head he will change the world for you...

The fact that when I prayed I was shown the very things you failed to see when you prayed. It is for that reason that I am shocked. That if you were honest in that statement I am sure that you will receive an answer.

Are you familiar with the Tale of Jack and the Beanstalk? It is a fantasy yes? What if it was part of your religion and you were raised that way? Would you argue as vehemently for the three magic beans?

Yeah. Hopefully for my own sake I would.

If you were raised in Utah among the mormons you would believe in Joseph Smith... If you were raised in ancient Egypt then Ra or Osiris... perhaps Isis? Along the rivers traveling with the norse in their long boats... would it be Odin then? Loki maybe....

I dunno... I know some of us are conditioned to believe in one way or the other. These stories of gods and holy books and fantastical tales are told to us when where young... When we are credulous... There is good reason for us to be credulous... But were we taken advantage of?

Yeps. Many of us are taken advantage off. I will agree with you there.

Not everyone can overcome the addiction that is religion... Its not even recognized by most as a problem... and perhaps its not ... But the rationalizations given sound awfully like a smoker defending cigerettes or a functional alcholic defending the drink...

If that is the kind of rationalization then you are right. But in the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community we invite rationalization that is far more convincing and we invite criticism to it.

 

[Surya Deva]

You choose your beliefs Suraj. A child chooses to touch fire. I hate the fact that any child could think that touching fire is good for him. It is out of the love for the child, however, that one has such hatred.

I agree with you Tariq. It is right to oppose beliefs that are not good for us

I love you and love all humans around me. And it is this love and care that forces me to detest your choices. So, yes, I hate the choice of being a Hindu, Christian or any other religion. Yet, I love you and my hatred springs from that love.

If I accept that you love me but you don't love my beliefs(chosen, as you say) then if I say to you "I am Hindu" does that mean you hate me? Your premise means that you would. As ones identity is based largely on what they identify themselves, if I identify myself as Hindu, then logically you would hate me.

If you hate me what stops you from being violent towards me?

Unfortunately, God has allowed humans to make that choice and I am not going to be one to force you. You can choose what you want but my detestation of your choice does not decrease. And nor does my care for you and all my human brothers out there. Do you get it now? If anything it increases my worry.

It is true that many have chosen their religions. It is also that many have not chosen their religion, they were born into it.

I have chosen my religion after years of dabbling and researching, choosing what I agreed with. What about you? Were you born into your religion or did you choose it?