What religion is the one true religion?

[The Kilted Heathen]

To be fair, the Holocaust had a thin vener of "Christianity" (not really), but Hitler is a very poor excuse for Christianity as he targeted many Christians with his ideologies. 9/11 as well was spun into a religious ordeal here in America by our government and our more "Patriotic" elements, but it was largely a political matter, not a religious one.

 

[Justanatheist]

To be fair, the Holocaust had a thin vener of "Christianity" (not really), but Hitler is a very poor excuse for Christianity as he targeted many Christians with his ideologies. 9/11 as well was spun into a religious ordeal here in America by our government and our more "Patriotic" elements, but it was largely a political matter, not a religious one.

Virtually everyone who rounded up, put on cattle trucks, shot or gassed the Jews claimed to be a christian that is why I was careful with my words. 9/11 was carried out by people who claimed to be Muslims.

 

[Mock Turtle]

No message from God was good enough for all time because as I said in my post, different ages have different requirements:

“These principles and laws, these firmly-established and mighty systems, have proceeded from one Source, and are the rays of one Light. That they differ one from another is to be attributed to the varying requirements of the ages in which they were promulgated.” Gleanings, pp. 287-288

Moreover, what was required in past ages is no longer required in this age, as the world and its peoples change over time. We should be concerned about the age in which we live and the requirements of that age:

“The All-Knowing Physician hath His finger on the pulse of mankind. He perceiveth the disease, and prescribeth, in His unerring wisdom, the remedy. Every age hath its own problem, and every soul its particular aspiration. The remedy the world needeth in its present-day afflictions can never be the same as that which a subsequent age may require. Be anxiously concerned with the needs of the age ye live in, and center your deliberations on its exigencies and requirements.” Gleanings, p. 213

On this basis, we are destined for more of such then - and more of what happens every time a new belief surfaces. Unless one was to believe each of the messages - but that doesn't seem to happen either. So why would any God get such wrong - given that this God is supposed to know us well?

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Virtually everyone who rounded up, put on cattle trucks, shot or gassed the Jews claimed to be a christian that is why I was careful with my words. 9/11 was carried out by people who claimed to be Muslims.

It was more than the Jews, though. It was also Catholics and Protestants (and many others) who objected to Hitler's rule. Nazism is a beast all it's own, and the actions were far from fueled by Christianity.

And while the individuals who carried out 9/11 were Muslim, their actions were not fueled by Islam, but as outcry against American Imperialism.

Both were political, and can't really be laid at the feet of religion anymore than Stalin's actions can be said to be indicative of Atheism. They're poor comparisons.

 

[Shakeel]

And how are you going about "earning" it? By fighting with your neighbors? Slandering them and offending them? Sowing hate, discourse, and war?

Islam is very clear. You can read about it.

Of course not. Treating neighbours well is extremely important in Islam.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Of course not. Treating neighbours well is extremely important in Islam.

Unless they believe differently than you, right? Because your actions here are not treating your neighbors well.

 

[Justanatheist]

It was more than the Jews, though. It was also Catholics and Protestants (and many others) who objected to Hitler's rule. Nazism is a beast all it's own, and the actions were far from fueled by Christianity.

And while the individuals who carried out 9/11 were Muslim, their actions were not fueled by Islam, but as outcry against American Imperialism.

Both were political, and can't really be laid at the feet of religion anymore than Stalin's actions can be said to be indicative of Atheism. They're poor comparisons.

Good because that was not my point. What was my point was that these messengers from god that the Trailblazer was talking about were not very good messengers or their followers would not of been killing like they did/do whether it was for political reasons or not.

 

[Shakeel]

Unless they believe differently than you, right? Because your actions here are not treating your neighbors well.

No. It doesn't matter what they believe. You still have to treat them well. Are you counting yourself as my neighbour? You're not. But, if you were, would you appreciate me advising you to go to hell?

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Good because that was not my point.

Ah, I thought you were meaning they were acting as messengers.

 

[Shakeel]

They're beyond any mortal concept of power.

Not if they share it.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Are you counting yourself as my neighbour? You're not.

Ah, the conditional "neighbor". We all share this Earth, Shakeel. We are all neighbors, globally speaking. Your neighbors are not merely those that live right next to you, or think exactly as you do.

would you appreciate me advising you to go to hell?

We've been over that. You are misrepresenting both my beliefs and my actions, maliciously so, and are thus not acting as peacefully as you claim to.

 

[Trailblazer]

Neither did Jesus or Mohamed,

Jesus and Muhammad met all of the criteria except that they did not write their own scriptures.
I just updated that criterion to include older religions that had Messengers who did not write their own scriptures.

3. He wrote much about God and God's purpose for humans both individually and collectively or scriptures were written by others who spoke for him. He firmly believed that the work he was doing was for the Cause of God.

Christianity contradicts Judasim and Islam contradicts both. You ruled them out by your criteria.

No, the original scriptures do not contradict each other; they are different but not contradictory. However, what the followers of those religions 'believe' the scriptures mean is contradictory.

 

[Justanatheist]

Jesus and Muhammad met all of the criteria except that they did not write their own scriptures.
I just updated that criterion to include older religions that had Messengers who did not write their own scriptures.

3. He wrote much about God and God's purpose for humans both individually and collectively or scriptures were written by others who spoke for him. He firmly believed that the work he was doing was for the Cause of God.

No, the original scriptures do not contradict each other; they are different but not contradictory. However, what the followers of those religions 'believe' the scriptures mean is contradictory.

Jesus was god, Jesus was not god, Jesus was the Messiah, Jesus was not the Messiah explain how that is not contradictory?

 

[Psalm23]

How did you came to the conclusion that christianity is the one true religion?

I had first believed on Jesus at a very young age. As I grew older, I looked further into Christianity and the case for it. Perhaps a combination of personal experience, testimonials I have heard( such as healings), and information I have looked into concerning Christianity such as biblical and outside the Bible sources on Jesus and the apostles and the willingness of the apostles to be persecuted and die for preaching Jesus.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The mountain is a metaphor. All religions seek the same goal; closeness with the divine, the "summit" of the "mountain". Some people don't want to go mountain climbing, and find the summit no different than the base. (Atheism, non-religious folk, etc). Most think their path is the best path, and some even insist on that it's the only path. But that certainly doesn't make it so.

There isn't a same goal though. Each climb their own mountain (hill, path, etc). The only few things in common is we're all traveling.

 

[firedragon]

Right from left to right, The Holocaust, 9/11, Wako and the Sharon Tate murders, now if you are not aware of any or all look them up and get educated.

Again more faith statements. Its still irrelevant to historical claims.

Okay. So can you give the numbers killed by each of those four people, and whats your historical sources for the information? I will name the four people since you have clearly tried to get away from those names you quoted.

1. Jesus,
2. Mohammed,
3. David Koresh
4. Charles Manson

How many people did they kill? And what are your historical sources for the information you are presenting?

 

[Justanatheist]

Again more faith statements. Its still irrelevant to historical claims.

Okay. So can you give the numbers killed by each of those four people, and whats your historical sources for the information? I will name the four people since you have clearly tried to get away from those names you quoted.

1. Jesus,
2. Mohammed,
3. David Koresh
4. Charles Manson

How many people did they kill? And what are your historical sources for the information you are presenting?

I have not claimed they killed anyone, show where I wrote that, I am getting tired of you mis-representing my views to start one of your strawman arguments, Now show it or are you lying?

 

[Polymath257]

If it wasn't that I know Islam, I would agree. Certainly everyone can't be right.

OK, but you want to double check.

I've done research. The problem is that the basic assumption: that there is a God, is never demonstrated.

Prophesies that are made after the fact are useless. prophesies that are obvious to anyone that is observant are useless. Miracles that are no more than street magic are useless. Miracles that nobody except believers see are useless.

Any prophesies or miracles that don't have those issues?

 

[Justanatheist]

Again more faith statements. Its still irrelevant to historical claims.

Okay. So can you give the numbers killed by each of those four people, and whats your historical sources for the information? I will name the four people since you have clearly tried to get away from those names you quoted.

1. Jesus,
2. Mohammed,
3. David Koresh
4. Charles Manson

How many people did they kill? And what are your historical sources for the information you are presenting?

Starting from left to right on the number of people killed by or because of their followers. Not sure if I have been fair to Koresh though.

Here is my original post on the subject. * Mod Edit *

 

[metis]

What religion is the one true religion?

I don't think there is any as my "drift" is that probably all of them are trying to ascertain what God(s) is/are about and what the implications may be.

IOW, it's the seeking that's probably most important.