We all have. But no normal human has perfectly. The amount of unchanging bliss and love experienced is determined by the level of our spiritual progress.
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What Spiritual Goal is Served By Modest Dress?
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We all have. But no normal human has perfectly. The amount of unchanging bliss and love experienced is determined by the level of our spiritual progress.
Are we talking in this discussion about naturally occurring chemicals or those ingested for effect?
I'm talking about naturally occurring chemicals.
Sorry, but naturally occurring brain chemicals is not an area in which I claim expertise. I may have misunderstood part of an earlier question then.
I guess I have a poor memory then, because I can't remember having done it.
But I'm happy for you.
I guess I have a poor memory then, because I can't remember having done it.
No, no I think you're misunderstanding me or I'm wording things poorly. Even our limited fleeting moments of genuine happiness and feelings of brotherly love are what I meant. Perfect unchanging happiness and bliss are a long way down the road for most of us.
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Tastes of it. We all get tastes. We sense it's existence. Yes I agree then. Some sages, living, and historical have experienced as a reality. We try to go in, whereas they have to make an effort to come out.
arthra
Baha'i
To me modest dress is part of a constellation of values that are part of a spiritual life... For Baha'is living a "chaste and holy life" includes the following:
Such a chaste and holy life, with its implications of modesty, purity, temperance, decency, and clean-mindedness, involves no less than the exercise of moderation in all that pertains to dress, language, amusements, and all artistic and literary avocations.
(Compilations, The Compilation of Compilations vol. I, p. 45)
Oxytocin isn't a drug or intoxicant; it's a naturally occurring hormone. It's associated with bliss, love, calmness, and romantic pair-bonding. The emotions you describe sound very much in line with the effects of oxytocin.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Incorrect. I'm talking about being in a relaxed yet heightened state of deep thoughts and complex emotions. Contemplation, empathetic connection, etc.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
So music can be spiritual, but not sex? Sex can be far more than mere gratification.
The experiencing sensations (taste; food, hearing; music, sight; art, touch; sex, etc.) heightens the mind, depriving the mind dulls it. Experiencing life is far more spiritual than abstaining from it.
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ratikala
Istha gosthi
yes music can be spiritual when it is deliberately composed to be so , when it is composed or dedicated to the purpose of bringing ones attention to something beyond the material , physical realm for the purpose of trancending the material platform .
sex , allthough enjoyable is merely a bodily function , you may for one small moment have the sensation of unity with another but it is not a yoga by which one unites with god.
yes there is more to sex than self gratification , it is a method of bringing children into the world .
abstainance is as much a way of experiencing life as is indulgence , to understand life one needs to experience both , the sensations you refer to aply to physical stimuli experienced by the physical sences , these senses belong to the body not the spirit .
it is through controling the physical senses one may become aware of ones spiritual nature .
What you describe is still a physical high with peaks and valleys and not what is considered a deep constant spiritual state in eastern thought
My position is in line with Ratikala's previous posts.
As you're coming from an agnostic worldview you probably aren't concerned with higher undisturbable states beyond the mental and emotional level that we can taste before full enlightenment (Nirvana/Brahman/Oneness/etc.).
Former Buddhist here. *raises hand*
I once did deep meditation and experienced quite a few things myself. Actually, not just once. Nearly 18 years of it.
FH isn't too far off, though, when we take the descriptors away from what seems magical and mystical.
ratikala
Istha gosthi
dear mystic sangha ,
what happened , or didnt happen , that made you give it up for '' the trampolines of love'' ?
but still you prefer the ups and downs of the material world ?
sorry I dont understand .... '' the descriptors'' ? ...... magical and mystical ?
what happened , or didnt happen , that made you give it up for '' the trampolines of love'' ?
but still you prefer the ups and downs of the material world ?
sorry I dont understand .... '' the descriptors'' ? ...... magical and mystical ?
There was a series of realizations that I simply could not reconcile with key Buddhist concepts. My journey from Buddhism was different from leaving Christianity because I never had (and still don't have) any animosity toward my former practice and belief system.
Where I part ways the most is how I stil find much of Buddhism to be patriarchal and homophobic. Western Buddhism may be forming its own culture, but there were still many teachings that continued to either act as apologetics for misogyny or for homophobia.
I acknowledge the world. Period. If you'd like to attribute that as being materialistic to help you sleep better at night, be my guest. No skin off my nose. For me, however, simply acknowledging "what is" brings more happiness than stories from Buddha's POV about how "what is" is actually "what it's supposed to be."
I spent several years studying Tibetan Buddhism. Where do I start?
Patriarchal and homophobic? That includes all of human society (religious and secular) until very modern times.
So did Buddha step 1.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Hello! The above was your answer to this:-
Questions:-
1. Do you recognise and acknowledge the existence of evil?
2. Do you believe that materialism and any kind of hedonism is evil?
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Hello! You asked Mystic the above question.
I notice that you live in the u.k.?
Please may I ask some questions?:-
Do you own or part-own your own home?
Do have an extensive wardrobe of clothes?
Do you have an income, and/or a job?
Do you have a car, maybe?
Do you have a comfortable life?
Please don't be offended by the above; I'm just interested to know more about your 'ups and downs' within the material World.
Well, it's too bad Buddhism never really solved that. But that's purely my opinion. I'm much happier now after I've left the community.
That's nice. I'll stick with that.