What the New Testament says about God is true

[Trailblazer]

I believe that anyone who talks with authority about Jesus, should probably read the New Testament.

Baha'u'llah did not need to read the New Testament, because He received His knowledge from God, which is why what He wrote is inerrant.

“O KING! I was but a man like others, asleep upon My couch, when lo, the breezes of the All-Glorious were wafted over Me, and taught Me the knowledge of all that hath been. This thing is not from Me, but from One Who is Almighty and All-Knowing. And He bade Me lift up My voice between earth and heaven, and for this there befell Me what hath caused the tears of every man of understanding to flow.”

Bahá'í Reference Library - Proclamation of Bahá’u’lláh, Pages 57-60

The New Testament is the words of men, not the words of God, so it is not inerrant.

 

[Trailblazer]

@Trailblazer admits she's never read it, but she continually refers to it and quotes from it

Just because I have never read all of the New Testament that does not mean I am not very familiar with certain chapters which I quote from...

I also quote from the Writings of Baha'u'llah although I have yet to read everything that He wrote.

 

[Sumadji]

Just because I have never read all of the New Testament that does not mean I am not very familiar with certain chapters which I quote from...

I also quote from the Writings of Baha'u'llah although I have yet to read everything that He wrote.

It's like arguing Hamlet with people who know the writings of Shakespeare really well, when you've read a few excerpts from the play and using them out of context to suit your own argument.

But this goes nowhere. You could read the New Testament, and then come back and talk about Jesus Christ on internet forums. It's not a thick book.

I would not argue about the Quran with Muslims without reading the Quran?

 

[CG Didymus]

It is easy to know some of the qualities of the Creator of the Universe by observing the things He produced.

For example, when I see the baby animals playing, I realize that our Creator, Jehovah God, has a sense of humor. When I see the colors of nature I see God's love for beauty, and when I notice the delicious fruits and fragrant smells that exist, I realize that God loves us very much.

Rom. 1:20 For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.

My brother and sister are Born Again Christians. Like your post, they are always seeing the beauty and good things. But there is some bad stuff too.

Young animals play fighting to get ready when they fight each other for dominance and over mates. Fighting to prepared themselves for catching and killing prey.

And some animals are just plain ugly and some horribly deadly. But then insects and animals that carry parasites and viruses? What's up with God creating mosquitos and having them spread diseases to humans?

But that's the usual complaint against the notion of a "loving" God. There's just lots of death and disease,

And some Christians like to say that it's all our fault, All was perfect until Adam disobeyed. Other than saying it's probably just a myth, even if it's true, God knew Adam was going to mess up. Why stick the tree with the forbidden fruit right there in from of him? And put a talking serpent in the garden knowing it would be able to tempt Eve. And that she would be able to get Adam to take a bite.

Really literally true? Of course, for some. And absolutely necessary for Born Again Christians... But for others it seems ridiculous to believe an ancient story that was passed down orally, then finally written down way later, is exactly how things went down in the very beginning.

 

[CG Didymus]

If

If.... the Baha'i Faith is true, I don't think there is one religion in the world today that is correct. The Baha'i Faith makes them all wrong. They all have beliefs and practices that the Baha'is believe are false. The main one, that Jesus is God, makes a very high percentage of Christians believing and teaching something that is not true... making Christianity, essentially, a false religion.

But... if the Born Again Christians are right, then the Baha'i Faith is a false religion.

What if... both are wrong?

But at least they both agree that there is a hypothetical God that is loving and kind. But who he is and what's he going to do? Well, they do have their differences about those things.

 

[ppp]

Thus a person offering an if, showing doubt that "If" a True Messenger is from God, or "If" there is any God, it is offering a doubt about there being any ultimate source of creation and all that is good.

Regards Tony

I'm sure there's a connection between all those sentences in your head, but you failed to cohere them adequately for my brain to fathom. So I'll just skip to the last sentence and ask, so what?

 

[ppp]

I believe that anyone who talks with authority about Jesus, should probably read the New Testament. Would someone talk with authority about Hamlet without reading it? But you devote your whole life to reading Baha'i writings, and then argue with Christians about Jesus and the New Testament that you never read, lol

Are you afraid it might change your mind? It's easy and concise to read, unlike the acres of Baha'i writings.

I don't just mean you.

What a shame for you that is

The New testament is not the authority on jesus. It's just the most that we may know about him. We don't even know that the New testament is accurate

 

[CG Didymus]

As was foretold in the Bible.

John 16:13 "However when He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth; for He shall not speak from Himself, but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak; and He will show you things to come"

Notice the "Spirit of Truth" is a "He" and all Truth will be given, that's lots of books.

Yes, nice try. Only to Baha'is.

Lots and lots of Christians, as Baha'is well know, believe that is referring to the Holy Spirit that descended on the disciples at Pentecost.

But seriously? All truth? Then why do Baha'is believe more stuff is coming from God in a thousand years or so?

But I can see why Baha'is want to make him the "Spirit of Truth." What I don't understand why they're trying to make him the "Prince of this World" also. I thought the Christian interpretation that Satan is the prince of this world made perfect sense. But I guess because Baha'is don't believe in Satan, that they had to make somebody the prince of this world.

 

[Sumadji]

New testament is not the authority on jesus. It's just the most that we may know about him.

And so? It's required basic reading on the subject? Platform for further discussion,

 

[CG Didymus]

I believe that anyone who talks with authority about Jesus, should probably read the New Testament. Would someone talk with authority about Hamlet without reading it? But you devote your whole life to reading Baha'i writings, and then argue with Christians about Jesus and the New Testament that you never read, lol

Are you afraid it might change your mind? It's easy and concise to read, unlike the acres of Baha'i writings.

I don't just mean you.

What a shame for you that is

Even if a Baha'i did read the Bible and the NT, they still would interpret it the way they are told to... as being symbolic. The resurrection is symbolic. Jesus died and stayed dead. His spirit rose. And that's it.

One Baha'is said that they believe that Lazarus was "spiritually" dead and when he came to believe in Jesus, he become "spiritually" alive.

Now, to be fair, I think Christians do the same thing with the Jewish Bible. For me, the worst is still making one of the prophesies about the boy in Isaiah chapter 7 about Jesus. To me, it don't fit the context. The whole context was that this boy was going to be the "sign" for King Ahaz. That when the kid got old enough to know right from wrong, the enemy kings would be dead.

But just because Christians have done it doesn't make it right for Baha'is to do it. That is... unless you're a Baha'i, then it's alright, because their prophet is infallible.

 

[CG Didymus]

I'm sure there's a connection between all those sentences in your head, but you failed to cohere them adequately for my brain to fathom. So I'll just skip to the last sentence and ask, so what?

We're talking about "true" messengers at the same time people, including Baha'is, are saying how unreliable the Bible and the NT are. The difference is... That the Baha'is go on to say how their stuff is reliable, infallible and that it came direct from an invisible God into the brain of their prophet.

And just look at his writings if you want proof... a lot of stuff did go into his brain.

 

[Trailblazer]

It's like arguing Hamlet with people who know the writings of Shakespeare really well, when you've read a few excerpts from the play and using them out of context to suit your own argument.

But this goes nowhere. You could read the New Testament, and then come back and talk about Jesus Christ on internet forums. It's not a thick book.

I would not argue about the Quran with Muslims without reading the Quran?

Why would I waste my time reading the New Testament, which has already been superseded by the Qur'an and the Writings of Baha'u'llah?
I have not even read the Qur'an or all of the Writings of Baha'u'llah.

The New Testament is now old because it is not the latest Testament from God to man.

I have not read the Qur'an so I do not discuss it with Muslims, but I have read enough of the New Testament to discuss it with Christians.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

When did you read the New Testament?

@Trailblazer admits she's never read it, but she continually refers to it and quotes from it

I am not Trailblazer. I have read the Bible and studied it to satisfy my own curiosities.

I read it front to back to extract quotes to help my mother see that Jesus, in fact that no man was God (Disclaimer when their Annointment is considered). I have many A4 pages containing handwritten bible passage quotes to prove that point.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I'm sure there's a connection between all those sentences in your head, but you failed to cohere them adequately for my brain to fathom. So I'll just skip to the last sentence and ask, so what?

The very question I can leave all up to you to answer, as it depends what you want in and out of this life.

Regards Tony

 

[ppp]

And so? It's required basic reading on the subject? Platform for further discussion,

Sure. But that doesn't mean that anything in those books is accurate. We can say little more about Jesus than we can about Odysseus.

 

[ppp]

We're talking about "true" messengers at the same time people, including Baha'is, are saying how unreliable the Bible and the NT are. The difference is... That the Baha'is go on to say how their stuff is reliable, infallible and that it came direct from an invisible God into the brain of their prophet.

And just look at his writings if you want proof... a lot of stuff did go into his brain.

While I think that a lot of the beliefs of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are balderdash, I fully acknowledge that all three have a rich cultural depth, a long and varied literary and philosophical history, and have all contributed, if inconstantly, to the educational systems that we now enjoy. They are adults. Often barbaric, but still adults. Their descendants attempt to don the garb of their parents but the clothes are still too big. They demand the same respect, but it takes practice to dance in heels.

 

[CG Didymus]

They demand the same respect

As a first step, I think Baha'is want to be respected as being equals to all the other major religions. But when we listen to their claims, they expect everybody to believe that there is a God and that their prophet is the infallible spokesman for their God.

It's difficult for them to even get to that first step. Have they earned the respect of people?

There are those that just "respect" that all people have the right to believe whatever they want. But how can a religion be respected when they are claiming that all the other religions have got something wrong with the things they believe?

And some of us agree... all the religions have some stuff that just don't sound right. But then some of us have looked into the Baha'i Faith enough to see that some of their stuff doesn't sound right.

Some stuff sounds great, and they run with that as if that's enough to make everything they believe true.

They've got some problems. One of them is they have people running it... Fallible, ordinary people. Some are better than others and maybe some are almost perfect... but they're not all the way perfect.

That's been the problem with all religions... Some people get control and just mess things up. The Baha'is try to make sure only "acceptable", "spiritual" people get into leadership positions, but then there's another problem... They are all "yes" men. They are going to follow along with the established leaders. A free thinker ain't going to get voted in.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Lots and lots of Christians, as Baha'is well know, believe that is referring to the Holy Spirit that descended on the disciples at Pentecost.

As it did, and that is the Spirit of Christ CG, it is not God that came upon the Disciples, as that is the Station of the "Annointed One". Only the Messengers hear the voice given by God to them.

John 5:37 "And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form".

Thus is was Christ that came upon the Disciples they heard what Christ had to say and most likely had vision of the Christ/s that was to come, as was recorded in the Bible as Prophecy.

Regards Tony

 

[Spice]

Why would I waste my time reading the New Testament, which has already been superseded by the Qur'an and the Writings of Baha'u'llah?
I have not even read the Qur'an or all of the Writings of Baha'u'llah.

The New Testament is now old because it is not the latest Testament from God to man.

I have not read the Qur'an so I do not discuss it with Muslims, but I have read enough of the New Testament to discuss it with Christians.

Just curious. Have you read the book of Mormon, and what do you think of the claim that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God? His revelations came in the same century as Baha'u'llah's. Mormanism was founded 1830 vs. Baha'i 1844.

 

[Trailblazer]

As a first step, I think Baha'is want to be respected as being equals to all the other major religions. But when we listen to their claims, they expect everybody to believe that there is a God and that their prophet is the infallible spokesman for their God.

No. we do not expect any of that.
Perhaps that is a projection of what you think that we expect.