What the New Testament says about God is true

[Sumadji]

When I was around the Baha'is, I read mostly Abdul Baha's stuff. Baha'u'llah was too flowery and Shoghi Effendi was too wordy.

Baha'u'llah...

Praise be to God, the Eternal that perisheth not, the Everlasting that declineth not, the Self-Subsisting that altereth not. He it is Who is transcendent in His sovereignty, Who is manifest through His signs, and is hidden through His mysteries. He it is at Whose bidding the standard of the Most Exalted Word hath been lifted up in the world of creation, and the banner of “He doeth whatsoever He willeth” raised amidst all peoples. He it is Who hath revealed His Cause for the guidance of His creatures, and sent down His verses to demonstrate His Proof and His Testimony, and embellished the preface of the Book of Man with the ornament of utterance through His saying: “The God of Mercy hath taught the Qur’án, hath created man, and taught him articulate speech.” No God is there but Him, the One, the Peerless, the Powerful, the Mighty, the Beneficent.

The light that is shed from the heaven of bounty, and the benediction that shineth from the dawning-place of the will of God, the Lord of the Kingdom of Names, rest upon Him Who is the Supreme Mediator, the Most Exalted Pen, Him Whom God hath made the Dawning-Place of His most excellent names and the Dayspring of His most exalted attributes. Through Him the light of unity hath shone forth above the horizon of the world, and the law of oneness hath been revealed amidst the nations, who, with radiant faces, have turned towards the Supreme Horizon, and acknowledged that which the Tongue of Utterance hath spoken in the kingdom of His knowledge: “Earth and heaven, glory and dominion, are God’s, the Omnipotent, the Almighty, the Lord of grace abounding!”

Give ear, O distinguished divine, unto the voice of this Wronged One. He verily, counselleth thee for the sake of God, and exhorteth thee unto that which will cause thee to draw nigh unto Him under all conditions. He, in truth, is the All-Possessing, the Exalted...

Shoghi Effendi...

How well we, the little band of His avowed supporters who lay claim to have recognized the Light that shone within Him, can still remember His repeated allusions, in the evening of His earthly life, to the tribulation and turmoil with which an unregenerate humanity was to be increasingly afflicted. How poignantly some of us can recall His pregnant remarks, in the presence of the pilgrims and visitors who thronged His doors on the morrow of the jubilant celebrations that greeted the termination of the World War—a war, which by the horrors it evoked, the losses it entailed and the complications it engendered, was destined to exert so far-reaching an influence on the fortunes of mankind. How serenely, yet how powerfully, He stressed the cruel deception which a Pact, hailed by peoples and nations as the embodiment of triumphant justice and the unfailing instrument of an abiding peace, held in store for an unrepented humanity. Peace, Peace, how often we heard Him remark, the lips of potentates and peoples unceasingly proclaim, whereas the fire of unquenched hatreds still smoulders in their hearts. How often we heard Him raise His voice, whilst the tumult of triumphant enthusiasm was still at its height and long before the faintest misgivings could have been felt or expressed, confidently declaring that the Document, extolled as the Charter of a liberated humanity, contained within itself seeds of such bitter deception as would further enslave the world. How abundant are now the evidences that attest the perspicacity of His unerring judgment!

There's SO much writing

 

[Brian2]

I do not know if God is incapable of suffering or of experiencing pain.
I believe that God is inaccessible to injury since God is not a physical being.

Maybe there is a difference if the Bible God is capable of suffering and other emotions.

 

[Eli G]

It is easy to know some of the qualities of the Creator of the Universe by observing the things He produced.

For example, when I see the baby animals playing, I realize that our Creator, Jehovah God, has a sense of humor. When I see the colors of nature I see God's love for beauty, and when I notice the delicious fruits and fragrant smells that exist, I realize that God loves us very much.

Rom. 1:20 For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.

 

[Trailblazer]

Maybe there is a difference if the Bible God is capable of suffering and other emotions.

Do you think that the Bible God is capable of suffering and other emotions?
Are there any Bible verses that say that?

 

[CG Didymus]

There's SO much writing

Yeah, like you said way too flowery.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yeah, like you said way too flowery.

Not all of it is flowery.
But it really does not matter.
At the end of the day all that matters is if His claims are true.
That'd be a deal-breaker for Christians.

 

[ppp]

Not all of it is flowery.
But it really does not matter.
At the end of the day all that matters is if His claims are true.
That'd be a deal-breaker for Christians.

If

 

[Trailblazer]

If

Yes if, and that is a very big If.

 

[ppp]

Yes if, and that is a very big If.

The phrase "that is a very big if" usually means that the probability of the "if" being true is dubious or improbable.

 

[Trailblazer]

The phrase "that is a very big if" usually means that the probability of the "if" being true is dubious or improbable.

That is not what it means to me.
What it means to me is that If Baha'u'llah truly is the Promised One then His appearance is one of the greatest events of human history.

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[ppp]

That is not what it means to me.

[Shrug] I prefer clarity. You can use words in any fashion that tickles you.

 

[Trailblazer]

[Shrug] I prefer clarity. You can use words in any fashion that tickles you.

I always clarify when I am asked to. My last reply was very clear.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

That is not what it means to me.
What it means to me is that If Baha'u'llah truly is the Promised One then His appearance is one of the greatest events of human history.

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"If" is an understatement indeed. This makes it the greatest event yet so far in human history, that we know of.

"Great indeed is this Day! The allusions made to it in all the sacred Scriptures as the Day of God attest its greatness. The soul of every Prophet of God, of every Divine Messenger, hath thirsted for this wondrous Day. All the divers kindreds of the earth have, likewise, yearned to attain it. No sooner, however, had the Daystar of His Revelation manifested itself in the heaven of God’s Will, than all, except those whom the Almighty was pleased to guide, were found dumbfounded and heedless..." — Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, VII

So great is the light, people are dazzled by its brilliance, many unable to come out into the light, as darkness has become the way of life.

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

This makes it the greatest event yet so far in human history, that we know of.

I believe that the Coming of Jesus was the second greatest event in human history.

I believe that the Coming of Baha'u'llah was Greater than the Coming of Jesus, since the fulfillment is greater than the One who paved the way.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I believe that the Coming of Jesus was the second greatest event in human history.

I believe that the Coming of Baha'u'llah was Greater than the Coming of Jesus, since the fulfillment is greater than the One who paved the way.

Now consider how much Baha'i love all the Messengers, as Baha'u'llah tells us we make no distinction between them, as they one and all brought the same Holy Spirit, the SAME light to humanity, each in the intensity given by God, that each age could embrace, thus not all the light was made manifested.

When we praise Baha'u'llah, we likewise praise all the Messengers. What greater foundation to the Oneness of Religion can be conceived? All must become lovers of the Light, no matter from whence it shines.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The phrase "that is a very big if" usually means that the probability of the "if" being true is dubious or improbable.

In the case of an if, offered in regards to God, the optimism of that if, is boundless. The claims of Baha’u’llah (any Messenger), can only be true or false, it is the age old choice between good and evil mentioned in every Holy Book, the quest for all that is true. It is the God given quest for faith, the given freewill choice.

Thus a person offering an if, showing doubt that "If" a True Messenger is from God, or "If" there is any God, it is offering a doubt about there being any ultimate source of creation and all that is good.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

There's SO much writing

As was foretold in the Bible.

John 16:13 "However when He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth; for He shall not speak from Himself, but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak; and He will show you things to come"

Notice the "Spirit of Truth" is a "He" and all Truth will be given, that's lots of books.

Also, we were found not to be ready for the full truth and So much more Truth was ordered to be destroyed by Baha'u'llah and a great quantity of the Revelation was destroyed, some thrown into the tigress river.

What a shame for us, that is.

Regards Tony

 

[Sumadji]

I believe that anyone who talks with authority about Jesus, should probably read the New Testament. Would someone talk with authority about Hamlet without reading it? But you devote your whole life to reading Baha'i writings, and then argue with Christians about Jesus and the New Testament that you never read, lol

Are you afraid it might change your mind? It's easy and concise to read, unlike the acres of Baha'i writings.

I don't just mean you.

What a shame for you that is

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I believe that anyone who talks with authority about Jesus, should probably read the New Testament. Would someone talk with authority about Hamlet without reading it? But you devote your whole life to reading Baha'i writings, and then argue with Christians about Jesus and the New Testament that you never read, lol

Are you afraid it might change your mind? It's easy and concise to read, unlike the acres of Baha'i writings.

I don't just mean you.

What a shame for you that is

Why make such a comment without asking? Your whole premise is based on incorrect assumptions.

I was baptised and spent my childhood at church and Sunday schools, up until a few years ago, I still had my Bible given to me a as a child (In Penang Malaysia), I gifted that to a friend in the Solomon Islands. A have read the Bible, I have spent many a time studying certain aspect of it. I did still go to Church with my mother and now in my own community occasionally.

It is I that had to read the Baha'i Writings to understand them, yet most Christians have been given such a fear, they would never pursue these Writings, just as my mother would not, as a born again Christian bound to doctrine of her Church, she could not. She called them evil without even reading them.

Such is the basis of your comment to me, it is others fears that drive such accusations.

Are you afraid to change your mind? I know I was very hesitating, but the fear for me was and always is the fear of my own poor choices, I have no fear but assurance that God guides us in those choices.

Regards Tony

 

[Sumadji]

I have read the Bible,

When did you read the New Testament?

@Trailblazer admits she's never read it, but she continually refers to it and quotes from it