What verifiable evidence is there that god exists?

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Revelation is a crazy book whose author appears to have been as high as a kite either on alcohol or a substance which would be banned here in the UK!

One hypothesis, was bad rye bread. At the time this silly book was supposedly written, rye bread was the main food staple of that time and place.

And rye flour very often gets a fungus in it, which creates hallucinatory chemicals, which survive baking.

Since it's generally agreed the book Revelations, was written by a refugee who was hiding out on an island (hermit-like), that he got some bad rye bread is reasonable.

It certainly reads like an LSD trip.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Please explain objective, and provide an example of "copious (objective) evidence for the theory of evolution".

@ratiocinator please note, there is a difference between proof and evidence. Sol I hope you are not confusing words.

Here is a mere 14 links that show evolution is a fact (as well as a theory).

1) https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/15-answers-to-creationist/
2) Lines of evidence: The science of evolution
3) http://io9.gizmodo.com/8-scientific-discoveries-that-prove-evolution-is-real-1729902558
4) Human Evolution Evidence
5) http://www.astrobio.net/origin-and-evolution-of-life/multicellular-life-evolve/
6) http://www.talkorigins.org/
7) http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/
8) http://ideonexus.com/2012/02/12/101-reasons-why-evolution-is-true/
9) http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence
10) http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/…/topicbrowse2.php…
11) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent
12) http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/03/0308_060308_evolution.html
13) http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/home.php
14) http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01

 

[Jos]

Of course they can be seen like that, and obviously you can't 100% rule out that explanation. The problem is that there are plenty of other explanations, so there is no actual evidence.

But the accounts seem so genuine... they don't seem fake or made up...

Well either praying for somebody to be healed has an effect on the person's health or it doesn't. Surely you'd at least expect a statistical effect - even if only some people who were prayed for got better miraculously, that would mean more people who were prayed for would recover than those who weren't prayed for. Otherwise what's the point of praying and how can 'healings' be evidence?

I guess you're right but weren't studies done on prayer?

 

[Jos]

Ahhh... You believe there are objects. Got it. Explains a lot of your premises.

You know what objective means right or were you just joking?

 

[Hawkins]

Here is a mere 14 links that show evolution is a fact (as well as a theory).

1) https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/15-answers-to-creationist/
2) Lines of evidence: The science of evolution
3) http://io9.gizmodo.com/8-scientific-discoveries-that-prove-evolution-is-real-1729902558
4) Human Evolution Evidence
5) How Did Multicellular Life Evolve? - Astrobiology Magazine
6) TalkOrigins Archive: Exploring the Creation/Evolution Controversy
7) Evolution
8) http://ideonexus.com/2012/02/12/101-reasons-why-evolution-is-true/
9) Human Evolution Evidence
10) http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/…/topicbrowse2.php…
11) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent
12) http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/03/0308_060308_evolution.html
13) http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/home.php
14) http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01

Scientifically, ToE can easily be debunked and falsified.

Lions can interbreed with tigers to give ligers. So after one million years of change by adapting the nature and perhaps interbreed back and forth with other species, now what conclusion can be drawn about what ligers are?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

What evidence do you have for your lunch taken yesterday. Show us what you ate in one of your million meals you ever had in your life time!

What the above is known as? Is dodging the question.

Show me one of your "millions" of evidence for god, and quit deflecting down a rabbit trail.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

No, what God chooses is the common way how humans can get to a truth! Believing in human testimonies in a form is how humans get to a truth of any kind!

100% false. Testimony is the worst of all possible methods of getting at the truth.

Absolutely the worst. This is why the Scientific Method eliminates such things, as much as possible. Double-blind, impartial mechanical measurements, etc.

 

[Hawkins]

100% false. Testimony is the worst of all possible methods of getting at the truth.

Absolutely the worst. This is why the Scientific Method eliminates such things, as much as possible. Double-blind, impartial mechanical measurements, etc.

How scientific method even works in regards to the food you ever ate in the million meals you ever had in your life time? Show us!

Apparently you don't know what scientific method itself is and you don't know what you are talking about!

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Scientifically, ToE can easily be debunked and falsified..

Absolutely false. If this were even a LITTLE BIT TRUE? POST YOUR PROOF AND GET A NOBEL PRIZE IN BIOLOGY.

Don't lie in such easy to prove ways.

Lions can interbreed with tigers to give ligers. So after one million years of change by adapting the nature and perhaps interbreed back and forth with other species, now what conclusion can be drawn about what ligers are?

So? All that you just said, proves to 100% that you have no clue at all, what the Theory Of Evolution even says.

Read my links-- you need some serious study, before posting about a subject for which you have zero understanding.

And because I'm nice? Here they are again.


1) https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/15-answers-to-creationist/
2) Lines of evidence: The science of evolution
3) http://io9.gizmodo.com/8-scientific-discoveries-that-prove-evolution-is-real-1729902558
4) Human Evolution Evidence
5) http://www.astrobio.net/origin-and-evolution-of-life/multicellular-life-evolve/
6) http://www.talkorigins.org/
7) http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/
8) http://ideonexus.com/2012/02/12/101-reasons-why-evolution-is-true/
9) http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence
10) http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/…/topicbrowse2.php…
11) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent
12) http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/03/0308_060308_evolution.html
13) http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/home.php
14) http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01

 

[Hawkins]

Absolutely false. If this were even a LITTLE BIT TRUE? POST YOUR PROOF AND GET A NOBEL PRIZE IN BIOLOGY.

Don't lie in such easy to prove ways.


So? All that you just said, proves to 100% that you have no clue at all, what the Theory Of Evolution even says.

Read my links-- you need some serious study, before posting about a subject for which you have zero understanding.

And because I'm nice? Here they are again.


1) https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/15-answers-to-creationist/
2) Lines of evidence: The science of evolution
3) http://io9.gizmodo.com/8-scientific-discoveries-that-prove-evolution-is-real-1729902558
4) Human Evolution Evidence
5) How Did Multicellular Life Evolve? - Astrobiology Magazine
6) TalkOrigins Archive: Exploring the Creation/Evolution Controversy
7) Evolution
8) 101 Reasons Why Evolution is True | ideonexus.com
9) Human Evolution Evidence
10) http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/…/topicbrowse2.php…
11) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent
12) http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/03/0308_060308_evolution.html
13) http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/home.php
14) http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01

You seemingly clueless about what falsifiabilty of science is. Your theory is falsified as a whole if fails to tell scientifically whether liger is as result of interbreeding or evolution! While the simple fact is, your theory call never tell under the scenario I proposed!!!

 

[ratiocinator]

Scientifically, ToE can easily be debunked and falsified.

Go on then.

Odd that almost all of the scientists, who study these things haven't noticed, though, isn't it? And also strange that, of the tiny, tiny minority who think you're right, almost all of them have an obvious religious vested interest?

 

[ratiocinator]

Your theory is falsified as a whole if fails to tell scientifically whether liger is as result of interbreeding or evolution!

You really don't understand evolution, do you?

While it's obviously the result of interbreeding, that doesn't automatically rule it out from being a part of evolution. Interbreeding is a variation, so it might (if fertile) have a survival advantage in its environment and hence be selected for, and become a part of evolution.

 

[ratiocinator]

Please explain objective, and provide an example of "copious (objective) evidence for the theory of evolution".

I see that @Bob the Unbeliever has beaten me to it and provided extensive links. I did come across this recently, which is about genetic evidence: Genesis and the Genome (pdf).

The discovery of the mutated gene for producing egg yoke, found in the human genome in exactly the same place as in the chicken genome, was particularly striking. Also the way in which deactivating mutations in multiple olfactory receptor genes can independently identify the relationship between humans, chimpanzees, and gorillas, that had been deduced from other evidence.

 

[WalterTrull]

You know what objective means right or were you just joking?

You assume an external reality. I don't

 

[Jos]

You assume an external reality. I don't

Why wouldn't you assume that there's an objectuve reality? Where else would God exist if not for an objectively real space that's independent of subjective human cognition?

 

[oldbadger]

I don't know the answers ....

Ok, so you don't know the answers to me questions, but if you research the Law of Cause and Effect that can help a bit, I think. Here, I'll copy an idea about it here for you from Google:-
The law of cause and effect states that: Every effect has a specific and predictable cause. Every cause or action has a specific and predictable effect. This means that everything that we currently have in our lives is an effect that is a result of a specific cause.

but I'll just point out that postulating a god doesn't actually help with the mystery of existence. A god that can imagine, plan, and make a universe, is no less mysterious and unexplained than just a universe.

Now you are assuming......... I never mentioned anything, or postulated anything. I simply want simple answers to basic questions, based upon 'Was there a cause or initiation of events that led to the expansion of our Universe?'

We can ask "why does the universe exist?" or "why this universe and not another, or nothing at all?"

You can, but I am not. I am asking if there was an initiation or cause or reason for the Big Bang. It's a Yes or No kind of question.

If we postulate a creator god, we just end up with: "why does god exist?" or "why this god and not another, or nothing at all?"

Well don't, then. I just want anybody to give me a straight answer Yes or NO to the question: Was the Big Bang caused or initiated in some way, is all. And you have not answered.

See? It's got us nowhere at all, really.

Well, you post got me nowhere because you did not answer the question.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Revelation is a crazy book whose author appears to have been as high as a kite either on alcohol or a substance which would be banned here in the UK!

If crazy, then how do you explain, as with the rest of Scripture, Revelation has corresponding verses or passages.
Those who research Revelation know that ties in with what the prophet Daniel wrote.
So, if one thinks Revelation is crazy then one must also think Daniel is crazy, and so forth......
Wow, some people are going to be in for quite a shock when Revelation 19:14-16; Isaiah 11:3-4 comes to pass !

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Why wouldn't you assume that there's an objective reality? Where else would God exist if not for an objectively real space that's independent of subjective human cognition?

To me, 1 Kings 8:39,49 gives us an objective 'real space' as that space is God's heavenly home.
- Just No ZIP code is listed.

 

[nPeace]

The theory of evolution has been tested countless times and been repeatedly confirmed. Creationists quite often have the mistaken idea that a specific event needs to be testable. That is not the case. What needs to be testable is the the concept. And there have been millions of tests by now done on the theory of evolution. It has not failed a major one yet. Minor tests that tweaked the theory have falsified specific ideas within the theory.

But back to your point, there is no reliable evidence for a God. The "evidence" that a Muslim finds for his God will be rightfully denied by a Christian and rightfully so. The same will happen with a Christian's evidence for his God given to a Muslim.

The theory of evolution has been proven far beyond a reasonable doubt and theists still cannot find reliable evidence for a God.

If you are referring to inferential proof, then there is proof of God.
I was not referring to inferred proof.

 

[nPeace]

Here is a mere 14 links that show evolution is a fact (as well as a theory).

1) https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/15-answers-to-creationist/
2) Lines of evidence: The science of evolution
3) http://io9.gizmodo.com/8-scientific-discoveries-that-prove-evolution-is-real-1729902558
4) Human Evolution Evidence
5) How Did Multicellular Life Evolve? - Astrobiology Magazine
6) TalkOrigins Archive: Exploring the Creation/Evolution Controversy
7) Evolution
8) 101 Reasons Why Evolution is True | ideonexus.com
9) Human Evolution Evidence
10) http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/…/topicbrowse2.php…
11) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent
12) http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/03/0308_060308_evolution.html
13) http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/home.php
14) http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01

I'm not asking for scientific facts, and scientific theories. Thanks.
Would you like me to pull up a dictionary on theory, so you can say evolution is not a theory in that sense, but a different theory?

 

[oldbadger]

OK folks...........
Is there anybody who could answer a question, thus:-

Is/was there a reason, or cause for the initiation of our Universe?

Don't Know, Yes or No?

Please Note:-
The law of cause and effect states that: Every effect has a specific and predictable cause. Every cause or action has a specific and predictable effect. This means that everything that we currently have in our lives is an effect that is a result of a specific cause.

..... over to you.....