What will Christians and Muslims have to say

[neves]

We can all have a sigh of relief now

please explain...

 

[Comicaze247]

Engaging in a sexual act is a choice.

True. But being homosexual isn't.

If it was proven that genes determine being gay, this wouldn't mean homosexual acts are natural but it would mean we should help homosexual people to live a natural life (i.e. search for a treatment).

So . . . being true to yourself requires treatment?
Say I love candy, but because of my health freak friends, I'm pressured not to eat any. Does eating candy require treatment?

 

[Draka]

Changing orientation...the idea is just ludicrous.

YouTube - The Hour: Ex Gayhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4GL66DcyBc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-J5T6wsnEQ&feature=related


Shoot, would post more, as there are tons...but huge storm just moved in...getting off computer!

 

[.lava]

When and if a gay gene is identified by geneticists. Will you abandon your stance that it is a choice, evil, abomination, unnatural?

on our side that gene is already identified and when it disfunctions, people happen to be gay.

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[rojse]

it would mean we should help homosexual people to live a natural life (i.e. search for a treatment).

You do know how horrible this sounds, right? If someone fiddled with your brains and genes so you can have a homosexual life and be fine with it, would this be good to you?

 

[Caladan]

This thread is a morbid resource for a donkey load of dystopian literature of the most horrific kind.
the really disturbing thing is that there are nations that systematically apply some of the mentality reflected here, while some nations run passionate debates about same sex marriage, other nations run passionate pogroms on the homosexual community.
in some places 1984 is not alt history, its a reality.

 

[gnomon]

When and if a gay gene is identified by geneticists. Will you abandon your stance that it is a choice, evil, abomination, unnatural?

You know.......that's an interesting question.

 

[my opinion]

Samuel 1:26
"I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; dear and delightful you were to me; your love for me was wonderful, surpassing the love of women."

What does this mean?
To say he is just expressing his brotherly love would be ridiculous. If there is any Christian men out there that would let their mates talk to them like this let me know.
This sort of talk from one straight one to another would get you a couple of black eyes..

 

[Peace]

So then Peace & ILoveIslam.....What should the punishment be for homosexuals that refuse to listen to Allah?

Not anyone can punish homosexuals, and it is not people's right to do so. Only an Islamic government has the right to punish homosexuals, only Muslim ones, but with the condition that there four witnesses to the act itself.
Many Muslim scholars differ in the way homosexuals must be punished and some scholars based their opinion on comparing homosexuality to fornication and thus applied the same punishment and of course with the condition stated above which is the testimony of four witnesses.

If you want to know more about the fatwa click Here

 

[Caladan]

If you want to know more about the fatwa click Here

Quoting from your link Peace, how do you feel about this:
"The scholars of Islam, such as Malik, Ash-Shafi`i, Ahmad and Ishaaq said that (the person guilty of this crime) should be stoned, whether he is married or unmarried."

 

[Judgment]

Not anyone can punish homosexuals, and it is not people's right to do so. Only an Islamic government has the right to punish homosexuals, only Muslim ones, but with the condition that there four witnesses to the act itself.
Many Muslim scholars differ in the way homosexuals must be punished and some scholars based their opinion on comparing homosexuality to fornication and thus applied the same punishment and of course with the condition stated above which is the testimony of four witnesses.

If you want to know more about the fatwa click Here

Hi Peace. You have missed my point. There should be 'no punishment' for being homosexual - and - that the punishment in Islam is 'Death' is beyond disturbing. You have no problem with someone being put to death over this ?

 

[.lava]

Hi Peace. You have missed my point. There should be 'no punishment' for being homosexual - and - that the punishment in Islam is 'Death' is beyond disturbing. You have no problem with someone being put to death over this ?

btw, that punishment has no place IN Islam the religion. there is no death penalty for gay people according to Qur'an.

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[Judgment]

btw, that punishment has no place IN Islam the religion. there is no death penalty for gay people according to Qur'an.

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The Qur'an states that they will be destroyed by Rain. The Hadith explicitly states 'Death'. Please explain being destroyed by rain?

 

[.lava]

The Qur'an states that they will be destroyed by Rain. The Hadith explicitly states 'Death'. Please explain being destroyed by rain?

you gotta eliminate all hadiths that contradict with Qur'an cos they are made up stuff.

destroyed by rain? it is about disasters. disasters either come from sky or land. if it comes from land, an eartquake would ruin a society. if it comes from sky, it could be a storm or it could be rain of rocks that caused by explosion of volcano. so being destroyed by rain is natural disaster. in Qur'an there are verses about a tribe who were ended by disaster like that.

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[Judgment]

you gotta eliminate all hadiths that contradict with Qur'an cos they are made up stuff.

destroyed by rain? it is about disasters. disasters either come from sky or land. if it comes from land, an eartquake would ruin a society. if it comes from sky, it could be a storm or it could be rain of rocks that caused by explosion of volcano. so being destroyed by rain is natural disaster. in Qur'an there are verses about a tribe who were ended by disaster like that.

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So.. all homosexuals will be destroyed by natural disasters ?

 

[McBell]

*Pulls out rubber raft*

*Climbs in rubber raft*

 

[Caladan]

*Climbs in rubber raft*

Running away eh?

 

[.lava]

So.. all homosexuals will be destroyed by natural disasters ?

Qur'an says that if all sinners were punished right now no living creature would be left on Earth. we are all sinners. being human requires making mistakes. being gay considered as a sin of lust and rebel. it is not the only sin. gossip is a sin too or stealing, telling lie...etc. so religious has to see homosexuality as a sin that some people commit. that's all. what people do is between their Rab and themselves. there is no place for third party. better for everyone to correct his own wrong doings and change himself to be better people, instead of pointing sins of others. noone is sinless! hating people is serving satan and hating gay people is the very same thing.

i do not think that all homosexuals would be destroyed by disasters. everyone dies someday with or without disasters. those tribes who destroyed all at once were people who met Prophets in person. all community were sharing the same belief. i think today societies are different. we are crowded and there are any kind of people anywhere. 2000 years ago a tribe probably meant maybe 1000-2000 people. i do not know it for sure but i believe there were not so many people as we have today. disasters still kill but not every victim of a disaster die in the same way. some dies in a sleep, some dies in extreme fear.

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[McBell]

Running away eh?

Hell no.
I just don't want any of the BS getting on my shoes.....


Though, I am wondering how long a rope I needs for the anchor...

 

[Judgment]

Qur'an says that if all sinners were punished right now no living creature would be left on Earth. we are all sinners. being human requires making mistakes. being gay considered as a sin of lust and rebel. it is not the only sin. gossip is a sin too or stealing, telling lie...etc. so religious has to see homosexuality as a sin that some people commit. that's all. what people do is between their Rab and themselves. there is no place for third party. better for everyone to correct his own wrong doings and change himself to be better people, instead of pointing sins of others. noone is sinless! hating people is serving satan and hating gay people is the very same thing.

i do not think that all homosexuals would be destroyed by disasters. everyone dies someday with or without disasters. those tribes who destroyed all at once were people who met Prophets in person. all community were sharing the same belief. i think today societies are different. we are crowded and there are any kind of people anywhere. 2000 years ago a tribe probably meant maybe 1000-2000 people. i do not know it for sure but i believe there were not so many people as we have today. disasters still kill but not every victim of a disaster die in the same way. some dies in a sleep, some dies in extreme fear.

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Lava... homosexuality is 'forbidden' in most Islamic countries - because - of what it says in the Quran. Because the punishment in the Quran states that they should be destroyed - the punishments in those Islamic countries can be Death.

You say that the Hadith contradicts the Quran - but - it does not. The Hadith only gives you a means for their destruction. But... any kind of punishment - jail time, whipping etc.... is barbaric in this case. These people are who they are. They are not ill, they do not need treatment and they do not need to change themselves to be better people.

The sin I see is that a God told his children that they are 'wrong' and should be 'punished' for this behavior. Because of this... Millions have suffered emotionally and physically for far too long.