Hi Folks..
2nd Mouse;
Very well stated Pete. I'm actually a little surprised none of the scholars here have engaged you on this response.
Thanks - no one responds because they know it is truth and they HAVE no response to give to that - either that or they just dare not think of the actual nitty gritty dirtyness that they discusss, and would much rather see it as some "clean act of love" LOL - but when they DO stop to think and it sinks in, then they realise it is just plain dirty after all - and so rather than challenge that obvious point, they prefer to remain silent and blissfully ignorant I guess... Political correctness will certainly lead to the silence of the individual Soul, the end of Self authority and the down fall of society as a whole, as we blindly continue to accept all manner of issues that really, we should not be embracing at all..
Kiwimac;
Ezekiel says why Sodom was destroyed and it has nothing to do with homosexuality and it never did.
Really..??... Thats a bit of selective quoting there isnt it..??...Gives a wholly slanted view of this truth doesnt it..??//Go read it again and keep it in CONTEXT - see that the other cities are described as committing the SAME kinds of sins (inhospitiality, arrogance, etc etc) BUT then THUS us said about Sodom SPECIFICALLY and uniquely :
51 Samaria did not commit half the sins you did. You have done more detestable things than they, and have made your sisters seem righteous by all these things you have done. 52 Bear your disgrace, for you have furnished some justification for your sisters. Because your sins were more vile than theirs, they appear more righteous than you. So then, be ashamed and bear your disgrace, for you have made your sisters appear righteous.
See now - ALL the cities do the same "sins" - BUT it states clearly that Sodom is by far the worse and makes the rest seem justifiable by comparison.....WHAT then was Sodoms EXTRA damning sins..?...THE PROMISCUOUS HOMOSEXUALITY !!! Stated clearly - Sodom did MORE DETESTABLE THINGS than all the others - and sodom was renowned specifically for homosexuality... The REAL reason this city was utterly destroyed is given in GENESIS - basically because the butch "bear" type queers gathered together and demanded to be allowed to RAPE two "men" who were really Angels !!!
4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”
6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”
9 “Get out of our way,” they replied. “This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge! We’ll treat you worse than them.” They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.
10 But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. 11 Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.
12 The two men said to Lot, “Do you have anyone else here—sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13 because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the Lord against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it.”
Getting it yet..?...it was indeed the vile homosexual nature - the greed for sexual pleasure no matter the cost - THAT was what got them all destroyed - again clearly stated...Man - those angels are P^SSED !! Righteously so !! A gang of men come to the house and demand to gang rape them in public - and threaten same to Lot as he protects them...The crowd think its their privaledge to do to them as they please - specifically mentioned having SEX with them does it not..???.....And look, the Angels have "their lords" authority - read the previous chapter for crucial CONTEXT - the god SENT the Angels there to scout it out and see how evil and corrupt it REALLY was - and THIS is their greeting - threatened GANG RAPE by a sex mad group of queers - so they basically say - yer youre all screwed beyond help, we gonna destroy you !! Keep CONTEXT - note the bargaining in the previous chapter - if only TEN good men are found then the city would be spared - but NONE are found - EVERY MAN it says, both young and old - a city full of homosexuals -THIS was what made it different to Samaria and the other cities mentioned above - rampant homosexuality was the ONLY reason the city was singled out this way...
Some random ;
Okay, first of all if you're going that route you might as well say all sex between everyone is nothing but physical pleasure. Because news flash one does tend to orgasm during sex acts. Which does in fact elicit physical pleasure. Funny bit of biology that
I have to ask - so what..??....Sex is a NATURAL act that does indeed give physical pleasure..?...Whats your point then..??...
On the flip side sex acts between a couple can act as a bonding experience, again this is basic biology. And the funny thing about is, biology doesn't make the distinction between a gay couple sexually bonding or a straight one.
First point - its supposed to be about why this "god" feels the way it does - clearly demonstrated its utter disgust - and this is because as explained, it is NOT NATURAL AT ALL - or as you say it above - it is NOT biology AT ALL - as see actually biology DOES make a CLEAR DISTINCTION between gay and straight sexually bonding, in that NATURE gave a MAN and a WOMAN the means and physical apparatus FOR that ability - but alas - male to male are simply lacking the proper appropriate body parts, and so as we see undeniably this is NOT A NATURAL ACT AT ALL - as decreed BY PHYSICAL BIOLOGY itself, let alone any notion of "god" or creator - just take a look down below - NOT meant to place THAT body part in THAT body part - NOT EVER - not meant for that function at all - ergo biologically UNNATURAL
Even 6 year olds know the basics but sadly as they grow society screws with their heads until they begin to believe anything we tell them...sad...VERY sad....we ARE corrupting ourselves, spiritually speaking - as my mate said the blind lead the blind here and looks like we all got lost and are way off track now......
Now it comes to mind here -someone may say - quite legitimately - that ORAL sex is ALSO an unnatural act, yet it accepted by pretty much everyone......My answer is obvious - oral sex is actually quite natural - as see, the lips and the tongue ARE indeed SEX apparatus, fully sensual and naturally used in the act of sex - so yer lips and tongue ok - but anus - complete NO NO - not meant for sex at all....
In saying that a homosexual might have the same reaction thinking about doing heterosexual acts. It's something called personal taste. Perhaps you've heard of it?
Yes of course - already said above - such personal tastes as you term it - is the result of being spiritually ignorant of the Self - is the result of identifying the self too fully with mortal flesh and blood - BASE DESIRES - and this is like a prison for the mind, holds us dominated here at the base level self sabotanging the Souls intent to rise above this mortal world entirely...When the spiritually ignorant finally see the truth of things then their "personal tastes" will alter accordingly - when they stop identfying as a physical mortal being and finally realise their eternal nature then things such sex will become entirely secondary, unimportant and they wont even identify the Self as even Human let alone gay...lol...HUGE huge difference in SPIRITUAL Self perspective and gay IS the bottom rung of a tall "spiritual ladder" we must climb and ascend, spiritually speaking - the other end and mortal aspect in life is refleccted as a natural celibacy whereas said, PHYSICAL concerns are no longer even a concern at all...