Whats the deal with obummer?

[Atheisttillprovenwrong]

I cant understand it. Ive tried to wrap my brain around it a million different ways, and all i can figure out, although its going to sound completely racist, is that he won because hes black. I heard something like 75 percent of the black population who have never bothered voting before voted for him. And what do you thin there voted were based on? His experience? Nope, cant be that, he doesnt have any. They voted for him soley on the fact that he's black.

And then, he wins the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE?!?!?!?!?! FOR WHAT?!!???

Obama made almost three times as many campaign promises as the other canidates, which leads one to believe that he was just telling people what they wanted to hear.

One of his main platforms was "ohhh im going to end the war in iraq" which he has started bringing troops back from iraq, but its kinda back handed because hes just bringing them back just to send them to pakistan.

And another statistic that proves that the fact that hes black helps him amazingly with the black population is that since hes taken office his approval ratings have dropped to under 50 percent among everyone, however, among the black population, his approval rating is 98 percent. Funny huh?

 

[T-Dawg]

It's not just the blacks that voted out of racism. Others did it too. A survey or some study (forget who did it or when it was) indicated that most of the people didn't vote for Obama because of his policies. How did they figure it out? Well, they took surveyed a bunch of people, and showed them a bunch of McCain's policies, and told them that they were Obama's, and most of the people said that they liked those policies. This suggests that they voted by something other than policy, most likely race. Also notice how pro-Obama people frequently pull out the race card.

 

[freethinker44]

You thought people got elected because of how qualified they are?

If clinton would have been elected it would have been because she was a woman, if Mccain got elected it would be because he was a war hero and so on.

Every candidate had some unique quality that they "rode" through the election whether it be religion, race, color, gender, or whatever else they can use to have people look at something other than actual politics. And people fall for it everytime.

 

[Smoke]

I cant understand it. Ive tried to wrap my brain around it a million different ways, and all i can figure out, although its going to sound completely racist, is that he won because hes black. I heard something like 75 percent of the black population who have never bothered voting before voted for him. And what do you thin there voted were based on? His experience? Nope, cant be that, he doesnt have any. They voted for him soley on the fact that he's black.

That's right. Being black is a tremendous advantage in American life and politics. Black people control most of the wealth in this country, as well as all the major media outlets. That's why most of our Congressmen and Senators are black. Black people have the power to swing an election any way they want it to go.

And of course, it's obvious that they voted for Obama solely because he's black. They would have voted just as enthusiastically for Alan Keyes or Clarence Thomas or La Toya Jackson. They never think about anything but race. They're really very simple-minded, and don't know how to arrive at the kind of relevant criteria valued by white voters, like whether your daddy or your husband used to be president, or whom James Dobson thinks you should vote for.

 

[T-Dawg]

That's right. Being black is a tremendous advantage in American life and politics. Black people control most of the wealth in this country, as well as all the major media outlets. That's why most of our Congressmen and Senators are black. Black people have the power to swing an election any way they want it to go.

And of course, it's obvious that they voted for Obama solely because he's black. They would have voted just as enthusiastically for Alan Keyes or Clarence Thomas or La Toya Jackson. They never think about anything but race. They're really very simple-minded, and don't know how to arrive at the kind of relevant criteria valued by white voters, like whether your daddy or your husband used to be president, or whom James Dobson thinks you should vote for.

I don't see why you need to make fun of a completely legitimate point. It's undeniable at this point that Obama's race was used as a propaganda tool to get people to vote for him. A lot of people voted for Obama because "it would be cool to have a black president," and some racist people would vote for a black person to make them feel less guilty about being racist.

The neat thing about Obama is that he does a good job of making both liberals and conservatives angry. Few people manage to do that :yes:.

 

[YmirGF]

I can hardly be described as a fan of the current US president, but I feel dumber just for having read this excuse for a thread.

Other than Smoke, the writers thus far have demonstrated the political acumen of a diced olive and that is not meant as a slam against olives, after all, they're already sliced.

 

[T-Dawg]

I can hardly be described as a fan of the current US president, but I feel dumber just for having read this excuse for a thread.

Other than Smoke, the writers thus far have demonstrated the political acumen of a diced olive and that is not meant as a slam against olives, after all, they're already sliced.

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What has Smoke done that has made him any better than anyone else? All he's done is make fun of the people who believe that Obama's race may have played a role in getting elected.

And you've just shown even less... oh, what's the word I'm looking for... you've just shown even less acumen than him. At least Smoke actually had a point to make rather than just blatantly telling everyone that they have the acumen of a diced olive if they don't agree with him.

 

[Zephyr]

That's right. Being black is a tremendous advantage in American life and politics. Black people control most of the wealth in this country, as well as all the major media outlets. That's why most of our Congressmen and Senators are black. Black people have the power to swing an election any way they want it to go.

And of course, it's obvious that they voted for Obama solely because he's black. They would have voted just as enthusiastically for Alan Keyes or Clarence Thomas or La Toya Jackson. They never think about anything but race. They're really very simple-minded, and don't know how to arrive at the kind of relevant criteria valued by white voters, like whether your daddy or your husband used to be president, or whom James Dobson thinks you should vote for.

This is beautiful.

But no, seriously, don't be an idiot (OP). While race may have been a pull for some, I feel it's more a case of "He's not Bush" that won him the election. Now if only he could live up to even that.

 

[T-Dawg]

While race may have been a pull for some, I feel it's more a case of "He's not Bush" that won him the election. Now if only he could live up to even that.

Hmm, I think that might actually be it... no, wait, he sort of IS Bush Lite, isn't he?

 

[YmirGF]

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What has Smoke done that has made him any better than anyone else? All he's done is make fun of the people who believe that Obama's race may have played a role in getting elected.

And you've just shown even less... oh, what's the word I'm looking for... you've just shown even less acumen than him. At least Smoke actually had a point to make rather than just blatantly telling everyone that they have the acumen of a diced olive if they don't agree with him.

Uh... would you like a shovel or did you just want to keep digging with your hands for a bit?

 

[T-Dawg]

Uh... would you like a shovel or did you just want to keep digging with your hands for a bit?

Thank you, you've just demonstrated my point about your post perfectly.

 

[YmirGF]

Thank you, you've just demonstrated my point about your post perfectly.

You fail to grasp the simple fact that I don't see that your "points" are worthy of serious discussion. That is my point.

 

[T-Dawg]

You fail to grasp the simple fact that I don't see that your "points" are worthy of serious discussion. That is my point.

Ok, if you say so .

Least now I know what you're trying to get at...

 

[Atheisttillprovenwrong]

You fail to grasp the simple fact that I don't see that your "points" are worthy of serious discussion. That is my point.

or maybe you arent capable of serious discussion?

Honestly, to believe that Obamas race had absolutely nothing to do with his getting elected is completely asinine.

The two points brought up earlier, the one about approval ratings among blacks and the one about mccains policies, PROVES that people were for him solely based upon his race.

I can hardly be described as a fan of the current US president, but I feel dumber just for having read this excuse for a thread.

Other than Smoke, the writers thus far have demonstrated the political acumen of a diced olive and that is not meant as a slam against olives, after all, they're already sliced.

And i havent seen you demonstrate any political knowledge either. So as of right now you have zero respect from me.



I came here wanting serious and "grown up" politicaland religious conversations. But there is undoubtedly going to be a small selection of people that ruin it for the rest on any web site

 

[T-Dawg]

or maybe you arent capable of serious discussion?

Honestly, to believe that Obamas race had absolutely nothing to do with his getting elected is completely asinine.

The two points brought up earlier, the one about approval ratings among blacks and the one about mccains policies, PROVES that people were for him solely based upon his race.



And i havent seen you demonstrate any political knowledge either. So as of right now you have zero respect from me.



I came here wanting serious and "grown up" politicaland religious conversations. But there is undoubtedly going to be a small selection of people that ruin it for the rest on any web site

Eh, my point about McCain and Obama policies and how people reacted to them doesn't really say that people voted by race, it just says they didn't vote by policy. It could very well be his speechmaking or his youth (or his political party not being republican) that made him succeed.

And while I am rather disappointed in YmirGF, I wouldn't judge him just based on his political views. He's the person to go to for anything mystical or paranormal (ie, astral projection, meditation...) :yes:.

And don't worry, this is a good place for serious discussion, although you'll find that it's very anti-conservative.

 

[YamiB.]

or maybe you arent capable of serious discussion?

Honestly, to believe that Obamas race had absolutely nothing to do with his getting elected is completely asinine.

The two points brought up earlier, the one about approval ratings among blacks and the one about mccains policies, PROVES that people were for him solely based upon his race.



And i havent seen you demonstrate any political knowledge either. So as of right now you have zero respect from me.



I came here wanting serious and "grown up" politicaland religious conversations. But there is undoubtedly going to be a small selection of people that ruin it for the rest on any web site

You have yet to point how the support for Obama from blacks is really significant compared to past Democratic contenders. Because of the racism that blacks have faced in this country there has been a history of them voting as a near complete unit. Starting in the late 19th century this mostly worked in the favor of the Republicans but due to the shift in the 1970s.

One of your stats show that Obama's race may have helped him to get out the black vote. But because the prospect of having a black president was exciting that doesn't mean that they selected based just on his race and it would be difficult to tell because the Democrats are so heavily favored by blacks. I think you would see very different results if Micheal Steele was the presidential nominee.

Also I think it's pretty funny to have somebody who referred to the POTUS as obummer complaining about the level of discourse.

 

[Copernicus]

I cant understand it. Ive tried to wrap my brain around it a million different ways, and all i can figure out, although its going to sound completely racist, is that he won because hes black. I heard something like 75 percent of the black population who have never bothered voting before voted for him. And what do you thin there voted were based on? His experience? Nope, cant be that, he doesnt have any. They voted for him soley on the fact that he's black.

There were certainly people who voted for Obama because of race, and there were certainly people who voted against him because of race. But the vast majority voted for him because they felt he was a better candidate than McCain and his goofy pick for Vice President. Indeed, many Republicans voted against McCain because of Palin. In my Democratic caucus, we had white Republicans who came over to vote for Obama, and they had other concerns than Obama's skin color.

And then, he wins the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE?!?!?!?!?! FOR WHAT?!!???

For the reasons given by the Nobel committee. After Bush had virtually destroyed America's reputation and left many in the West in despair over our moral failures--e.g. the invasion of Iraq and our use of torture on prisoners--Obama completely reversed the political climate. Of all the candidates, he was the clear pick for the person who had done the most to bring about hope to reduce international tensions and move ahead on climate issues. He had had an especially big impact on American-Muslim relations, which has been the chief destabilizer in international politics.

Obama made almost three times as many campaign promises as the other canidates, which leads one to believe that he was just telling people what they wanted to hear.

Well, the man is a politician. What did you expect? A lot of us who supported him have been disappointed by his conservatism, even though he constantly warned liberals that he would disappoint many of his supporters. He believes strongly in compromise and civil discourse with political enemies. But he also comes off as a poor negotiator sometimes, especially in the health care debate.

One of his main platforms was "ohhh im going to end the war in iraq" which he has started bringing troops back from iraq, but its kinda back handed because hes just bringing them back just to send them to pakistan.

No, you mean Afghanistan. Pakistan has no US troops in it that we know of, but we send in drone aircraft. So far, the Afghan war seems to have been his gravest miscalculation. It is clearly an unwinnable war, and we are only there to take revenge for 9/11. There is no clear strategic goal that keeps us there.

And another statistic that proves that the fact that hes black helps him amazingly with the black population is that since hes taken office his approval ratings have dropped to under 50 percent among everyone, however, among the black population, his approval rating is 98 percent. Funny huh?

Honestly, no. Democrats have historically had huge majorities among African Americans, but there is certainly an element of race there. There is also an element of race in the fact that his ratings have dropped most dramatically in the South. They have stayed well above 50 percent nationwide, and that is not just about race. (I think that you listen to too much Fox News, frankly.)

 

[Rain Drops]

I cant understand it. Ive tried to wrap my brain around it a million different ways, and all i can figure out, although its going to sound completely racist, is that he won because hes black. I heard something like 75 percent of the black population who have never bothered voting before voted for him. And what do you thin there voted were based on? His experience? Nope, cant be that, he doesnt have any. They voted for him soley on the fact that he's black.

And then, he wins the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE?!?!?!?!?! FOR WHAT?!!???

Obama made almost three times as many campaign promises as the other canidates, which leads one to believe that he was just telling people what they wanted to hear.

One of his main platforms was "ohhh im going to end the war in iraq" which he has started bringing troops back from iraq, but its kinda back handed because hes just bringing them back just to send them to pakistan.

And another statistic that proves that the fact that hes black helps him amazingly with the black population is that since hes taken office his approval ratings have dropped to under 50 percent among everyone, however, among the black population, his approval rating is 98 percent. Funny huh?

Have you given much thought to the reign of George W Bush?

Do you even understand the horror his administration unleashed on the world?

When you do, you'll understand why a Republican was not elected.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Does the OP have a problem with obama himself or with what obama is doing in his presidency.

 

[Minus Habens]

I cant understand it. Ive tried to wrap my brain around it a million different ways, and all i can figure out, although its going to sound completely racist, is that he won because hes black. I heard something like 75 percent of the black population who have never bothered voting before voted for him. And what do you thin there voted were based on? His experience? Nope, cant be that, he doesnt have any. They voted for him soley on the fact that he's black.

Although race played a part in many peoples decision (both for and against), I believe Obama is a crafty politician. He made people feel warm n fuzzy. Also, like someone else said, he was not a Republican. Bush's policies destroyed the GOPs image. Most people wanted something different.

And then, he wins the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE?!?!?!?!?! FOR WHAT?!!???

Because he made speaches about wanting to work with other countries towards world peace. The prize should have went to someone who actually accomplished something towards that end, imo.

Obama made almost three times as many campaign promises as the other canidates, which leads one to believe that he was just telling people what they wanted to hear.

Yup, thats polititians for ya.

A huge number of voters have always based their vote on things other than policies or experience. Some vote down party lines simply because their parents did. Some base it on popularity. Obama was no exception...