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What's the purpose behind believing in something that cannot be proven true?

osgart

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
chinu said:
It can be a compelling possibility for atheists. But, NOT for theists. Theist doesn’t require any compelling possibility after being a theist.

Neither theists compel atheists to become theist, nor they have any purpose behind being theist.
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They just are theists because that's their honest assessment with no agenda. Got it.

Atheists have an honest assessment as well. No agenda.

Belief though is not knowledge as certain as one can be about it. It's not the same as knowing the objects in your house.

I understand belief to be not knowing.

I suppose a lot of certainty passes for knowledge. I'm convinced that happens as well.
 
chinu

chinu

chinu
osgart said:
They just are theists because that's their honest assessment with no agenda. Got it.
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Just assessment. Not honest-assessment.

No agenda, No room for the word “honest”

Atheists have an honest assessment as well. No agenda.
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Does atheist have just assessment, or honest assessment ?
Anyways, you can copy the same for atheists if you like to.

Belief though is not knowledge as certain as one can be about it. It's not the same as knowing the objects in your house.

I understand belief to be not knowing.

I suppose a lot of certainty passes for knowledge. I'm convinced that happens as well.
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But, you said NO agenda. Then what is this you are talking about ?
 
osgart

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
chinu said:
Just assessment. Not honest-assessment.

No agenda, No room for word “honest”


Does atheist have just assessment, or honest assessment ?
Anyways, you can copy the same for atheists if you like to.



But, you said NO agenda. Then what is this you are talking about ?
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Then saying " I don't know ", should rule the day for both atheist and theist. Got it!

People have strong beliefs, high certainty, and live out their beliefs as convictions. I would advise against such convictions myself. That's how people get swept up in trouble.

Trouble for many believers is judging erroneously that non believers are no good.

Trouble for some atheists is denying things like free will and self accountability and things like science as truth without question.

Getting caught up in theism vs. atheism could distract us all from greater problems.

I don't have problems with theism or atheism. I do have a problem with fundamentalism on both sides, run away ideologies, and American decline. We are a split nation with far more important problems.
 
Terrywoodenpic

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
chinu said:
And, moreover there's NO purpose behind believing in something that cannot be proven true. People unnecessarily dishonor theists.
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Purpose and belief are not inter dependant.
Belief rarely has a purpose in itself.
And purpose rarely requires a belief.
Truth is not part of that equation.
 
chinu

chinu

chinu
osgart said:
Trouble for many believers is judging erroneously that non believers are no good.
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Friend, what are you talking about is NOT true for a theist. Perhaps, you never met any true theist. True theist NEVER make judgement that non believers are no-good. If, this is the case, then such person is NOT a true theist. Such person is a hypocritical person, and I suggest to stay away from them.

Vice versa, the judgement of a true theist is.. that there's a theist hided inside every atheist like a light inside the dusty bulb. Light comes out as soon as the dust (Doubts) gets off.

Trouble for some atheists is denying things like free will and self accountability and things like science as truth without question.
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No this is NOT a trouble. In fact, its a natural process. A theist him/herself too went through this natural process before turning into a theist.

Getting caught up in theism vs. atheism could distract us all from greater problems.
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For a true theist there's NEVER theism vs atheism. Rather its just a journey from atheism -to- theism. Its a natural process. And, a true theist respect this natural process, and as well as the time taken to complete this journey.. as a will of God.

I don't have problems with theism or atheism. I do have a problem with fundamentalism on both sides, run away ideologies, and American decline. We are a split nation with far more important problems.[/QUOTE]
Friend, now that I have given my views above. I hope you would like to re-think on what you said ?

Thank you.
 
chinu

chinu

chinu
blü 2 said:
Ah me, I do my best not to assume, and only to put forward reasoned critiques based on facts, but you're right ─ that would never work with theology.
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Theology is the study created for general person, NOT theists. And, when any general person turns into theist after that study complete, No doubts left behind. No more study required further. Study ends. And from that very moment onward "Theist" itself is the evidence of the existence of "God". Further, no room for any fact for the non-existence of "God" can be welcomed by that person.
 
blü 2

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
chinu said:
from that very moment onward "Theist" itself is the evidence of the existence of "God". Further, no room for any fact for the non-existence of "God" can be welcomed by that person.
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Not even if it's true? They say love is blind, so maybe something like that is relevant, though the idea's not necessarily flattering.
 
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