whats your beef with brexit?

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Churchill would be turning in his grave if he knew how defeatist the Remoaners would turn out.

So if we're wrong we're 'Project Fear'; if we're right we're 'defeatist'. Can't say I'm surprised. Is there any circumstance where an ardent Leave voter will stand up and admit that they are partly to blame for this situation even existing because they voted Leave in the first place? Probably not so the childish buck-passing will continue unabated.

I will probably die of shock if it ever does happen.

I am sick and tired of this fable, honestly.

The truth is that the EU is not indispensable, and UK can stipulate bilateral agreements with any EU country, if the EU commission (the criminal technocratic entity) doesn't interfere.

Brexit is showing these technocrats the fragility of their power.

The problem is these bilateral agreements would involve access to the Single Market so Westminster would then have to accept all the rules & principles they're rejecting right now. What about this arrangement escapes you? Just because they reject those rules now doesn't mean they get access to the SM further down the line without accepting the rules & principles.

 

[Estro Felino]

So your judicial evidence of this "criminal technocratic entity" is what precisely?

The European Commission to begin with, and the ECB, more specifically.

The problem is these bilateral agreements would involve access to the Single Market so Westminster would then have to accept all the rules & principles they're rejecting right now. What about this arrangement escapes you? Just because they reject those rules now doesn't mean they get access to the SM further down the line without accepting the rules & principles.

Let's drop it....it's better.
As if it was a mystery that there is a tyrant called Germany that decides how much a EU country is supposed to export and to whom.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Let's drop it....it's better.

Yeah, let's saddle businesses with completely avoidable overhead increases that they'll inevitably either pass on to the rest of us or avoid altogether by moving to another country because this **** really isn't worth the hassle and uncertainty.

As if it was a mystery that there is a tyrant called Germany that decides how much a EU country is supposed to export and to whom.

Source for this claim, please. And for goodness sake please make it something we can read instead of a damned video.

 

[Yerda]

Churchill would be turning in his grave if he knew how defeatist the Remoaners would turn out.

Can you explain what you mean?

 

[Altfish]

Can you explain what you mean?

After the first British victory of the Second World War at El Alamein, Churchill wrote to his foreign secretary, Anthony Eden, on 21 October 1942:

‘Hard as it is to say now.. I look forward to a United States of Europe, in which the barriers between the nations will be greatly minimised and unrestricted travel will be possible.’

So he was a supporter of the EU.

 

[Altfish]

Britain has a problem: too many Freemasons in charge.

You may have a point.

 

[Altfish]

Churchill would be turning in his grave if he knew how defeatist the Remoaners would turn out.

After the first British victory of the Second World War at El Alamein, Churchill wrote to his foreign secretary, Anthony Eden, on 21 October 1942:

‘Hard as it is to say now.. I look forward to a United States of Europe, in which the barriers between the nations will be greatly minimised and unrestricted travel will be possible.’

So he was a supporter of the EU.

 

[Altfish]

Churchill would be turning in his grave if he knew how defeatist the Remoaners would turn out.

And since you are so fond of videos...

 

[Estro Felino]

You may have a point.

What I meant, by the way, is that my country intends to reform the EU. Since you British won't help us do it,it's better you exit...don't u think so?

 

[Notanumber]

Churchill was not talking about the monster that the EU has become and the ambitions that it has to go much further.

I do not believe that Churchill helped us to defeat Hitler only for us to become surrender monkeys.

 

[Altfish]

What I meant, by the way, is that my country intends to reform the EU. Since you British won't help us do it,it's better you exit...don't u think so?

I'd love to be able to reform the EU, as I have repeatedly said, it is far from ideal. But hey ho, we're on our way out.

 

[Altfish]

Churchill was not talking about the monster that the EU has become and the ambitions that it has to go much further.

I do not believe that Churchill helped us to defeat Hitler only for us to become surrender monkeys.

Believe what you like, but I have given more evidence that he wanted a united Europe than you have with your assertion.

CHECK YOUR FACTS!!

 

[Notanumber]

Believe what you like, but I have given more evidence that he wanted a united Europe than you have with your assertion.

CHECK YOUR FACTS!!

I could not believe that Churchill would want to give up our hard-earned sovereignty and this proves that I was right.

'We are with them, but not of them!' Even Sir Winston Churchill opposed membership of EU

 

[Altfish]

I could not believe that Churchill would want to give up our hard-earned sovereignty and this proves that I was right.

'We are with them, but not of them!' Even Sir Winston Churchill opposed membership of EU

I don't care what you believe, I want facts

I see the referred to biography of Churchill is by a certain Boris Johnson. This falls into the bracket of, "I believe The Bible because The Bible says it is true"
I see the article doesn't give my quote, no, because that would be inconvenient.

 

[Notanumber]

I don't care what you believe, I want facts

I see the referred to biography of Churchill is by a certain Boris Johnson. This falls into the bracket of, "I believe The Bible because The Bible says it is true"
I see the article doesn't give my quote, no, because that would be inconvenient.

If you don’t like the message, shoot the messenger, eh.

 

[Altfish]

If you don’t like the message, shoot the messenger, eh.

No, distrust the messenger with an agenda to follow.

 

[ChristineM]

The European Commission to begin with, and the ECB, more specifically.

So you have no evidence, just opinion. Fair enough

 

[ChristineM]

I could not believe that Churchill would want to give up our hard-earned sovereignty and this proves that I was right.

'We are with them, but not of them!' Even Sir Winston Churchill opposed membership of EU

Churchill was one of the 11 founding fathers of the EU.

On September 19, 1946, Sir Churchill gave a now famous speech calling for the creation of “a United States of Europe”.

So are you using your infamous version of british values to discredit a true brit?



Resources for Winston Churchill's Zurich speech - Historical events in the European integration process (1945–2014) - CVCE Website

 

[Altfish]

Churchill was one of the 11 founding fathers of the EU.

On September 19, 1946, Sir Churchill gave a now famous speech calling for the creation of “a United States of Europe”.

So are you using your infamous version of british values to discredit a true brit?


Resources for Winston Churchill's Zurich speech - Historical events in the European integration process (1945–2014) - CVCE Website

Come on, that's not fair; giving Brexiteers facts. They rely on 'feelings' and 'rumour' and 'Nigel says' and anyway... "We want our borders back"

Sad really, isn't it.

 

[ChristineM]

Come on, that's not fair; giving Brexiteers facts. They rely on 'feelings' and 'rumour' and 'Nigel says' and anyway... "We want our borders back"

Sad really, isn't it.

I like facts, i rely on facts. Some don't and that is very sad. One day these people may realise they can't argue with fact, but i doubt it.