whats your beef with brexit?

[Notanumber]

Action man is back by popular demand.

Nigel Farage is returning to politics to fight Theresa May's Brexit plan

 

[Flankerl]

As the Prime Minister said two days before the referendum –

"And remember: they can’t undo the decision we take.

"If we vote out, that’s it.

"It is irreversible.

"We will leave Europe – for good.

The full transcript of David Cameron's last-ditch plea for Britain to stay in the EU

So don’t tell us that we did not know what we were voting for.

Meanwhile in reality Norway and Switzerland are both not part of the EU and still have to adhere to its rules and regulations.
Why? Because the EU is the bigger market and these two countries want to trade with the EU.

I still remember Leavers before the vote. They were pretty much all in favour of a Switzerland/Norway type of relationship with the EU.
The people who wanted to stop all contact with the EU were a crazy minority.

Meanwhile some German Diktatorin is already thinking of what to do after Brexit

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You continue to have absolutely no clue about German politics.

Germans are pretty much against giving concessions to the UK whether they support the CDU/CSU or not.

 

[Estro Felino]

Action man is back by popular demand.

Nigel Farage is returning to politics to fight Theresa May's Brexit plan

At last... Farage should be PM

 

[Estro Felino]

Germans are pretty much against giving concessions to the UK whether they support the CDU/CSU or not.

What the British ask for can be defined as "the least".
This hostile attitude Germany has is meaningless

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

As the Prime Minister said two days before the referendum –

"And remember: they can’t undo the decision we take.

"If we vote out, that’s it.

"It is irreversible.

"We will leave Europe – for good.

The full transcript of David Cameron's last-ditch plea for Britain to stay in the EU

None of this makes any mention whatsoever of the Single Market or the Customs Union. Also, Vote Leave were saying for ages that they preferred a Norway/Switzerland option with us being non-EU members in the Single Market.

This has been pointed out to you before yet you've failed to address it.

So don’t tell us that we did not know what we were voting for.

I see. So you knew a Leave vote would

1. Imperil our economy;
2. Cost jobs;
3. Cause the services industry that our economy has come to rely on so sycophantically to jump ship;
4. Weaken the £;
5. Put us at the mercy of a protectionist 'America First' administration in Washington;
6. Cause a spike in racial hate crimes post-ballot;
7. Cause a resurgence in far-right politics in England that is leaving the rest of us rather concerned;
8. Put the livelihoods of thousands of people at risk even though they weren't allowed a vote;
9. Will cause a Brexit that is not going to be as easy as every Brexit-supporter says it will be;
10. Will cause us to need to stockpile things as if this were some sort of unavoidable crisis
11. Be liberally reinterpreted to mean whatever our clown-school of a political class decided it should mean on a whim...

And you still intend for us Remainers to a) take the blame for all this in your stead and b) take you seriously?

I still remember Leavers before the vote. They were pretty much all in favour of a Switzerland/Norway type of relationship with the EU.
The people who wanted to stop all contact with the EU were a crazy minority.

This was an accurate description of Leavers up until as recently as a month or two ago. They've about-faced in a scarily short amount of time.

 

[Estro Felino]

This was an accurate description of Leavers up until as recently as a month or two ago. They've about-faced in a scarily short amount of time.

If the EU is so great, why don't u guys enter the Eurozone?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

If the EU is so great, why don't u guys enter the Eurozone?

Because being a member of the EU and a member of the Eurozone, while they do coincide a lot, are not the same thing. You can be a member of one but not the other. Vatican City is an example of a polity that uses the Euro but is not an EU member. In fact if you look at

Spoiler: This diagram here

you can see Vatican City is not a Eurozone member either.

Another reason we won't adopt the Euro is we secured an exemption for ourselves from ever having to promise to maybe getting around to fulfilling the Euro Convergence Criteria at some undefined point in the future.

Besides that though, while I believe the EU is on the whole a benefit for its member states I'm not altogether convinced the Euro is a good idea. It would mean having to tie our economy to the likes of yours in a way which is too risky.

Fortunately we don't need to have both; we can be an EU member and not a Eurozone member.

 

[Notanumber]

Your post contains two lies.

1. "A no deal WTO exit from the EU would be what we voted for" - The referendum question only dealt with our EU membership and you know it; it did not touch on the Single Market nor the Customs Union. Stop trying to revise history;
2. "the democratic referendum" - the referendum was not democratic because entire affected groups were prevented from participating.

Please stop telling lies. It does your side of the argument no favours whatsoever.

You called me a liar. Theresa the appeaser is the Brexit Liar, but she is a Remainer and that is par for the course.

We heard her repeat many times, that ‘Brexit means Brexit’ and ‘No Deal is better than a bad deal’, and then she pulls a stunt like Chequers.

 

[Flankerl]

What the British ask for can be defined as "the least".
This hostile attitude Germany has is meaningless

Yeah yeah I know, it is perfectly normal to have access to club activities that are for members only without paying for them.
Why? Well because it is the United Kingdom asking for them.

The United Kingdom is better than Switzerland and Norway! It shouldn't have to pay for these things like they do!

This is in no way unreasonable.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

You called me a liar. Theresa the appeaser is the Brexit Liar, but she is a Remainer and that is par for the course.

Stop blaming us; it is deceitful because she supports your side of the argument now. This balls-to-the-walls paramount of Wesminster incompetence wouldn't even have to be failing at this if it wasn't for the Leave vote. This entirely avoidable situation is the fault of the Brexiteers alone. You won. Get over it.

We heard her repeat many times, that ‘Brexit means Brexit’ and ‘No Deal is better than a bad deal’, and then she pulls a stunt like Chequers.

That's because she's engaging in sound-bite politics as the people on our side of the line have pointed out from the beginning while you lot have accused us of being 'unpatriotic' or 'Project Fear' for not agreeing with her every word like a bunch of sycophants. Not our fault that you lot dismissed our warnings out of hand.

TresseMay has taken up an impossible task and because she's failing at it you're trying to lay the blame at the feet of those who didn't set that task before her to start with. She's not failing at it because she's a Remainer hoping to sabotage the whole operation (because then you'd have to explain why Davis and Bojo - both ardent Quitlers - were so disgustingly inept at their jobs); she's failing due to the fact she's an inept politician and because you cannot get a better deal than the one we have now, as an EU member. No sane group would permit this sort of thing - to allow a non-dues-paying non-member of the Single Market who does not agree to principles like freedom of movement to have full access to all the benefits that other Single Market members have to pay for and have to acquiesce to things like freedom of movement.

She literally cannot succeed at the task you have given her and it is both her fault for being inept and your fault for putting us in this situation. Please, as a Brexiter, take partial ownership of it and stop trying to childishly blame the Remainers.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yeah yeah I know, it is perfectly normal to have access to club activities that are for members only without paying for them.
Why? Well because it is the United Kingdom asking for them.

The United Kingdom is better than Switzerland and Norway! It shouldn't have to pay for these things like they do!

This is in no way unreasonable.

You clearly oppose both Kurz and Strache.
So I understand what kind of Europe you have in your mind.

 

[Flankerl]

You clearly oppose both Kurz and Strache.
So I understand what kind of Europe you have in your mind.

Oh noes how could I.
Will you report me to the ÖVP and FPÖ?
Will I be put into a camp next time I visit Austria?

Obviously all Austrians should always support the FÜHRER uh I mean Leader!

 

[Altfish]

You clearly oppose both Kurz and Strache.
So I understand what kind of Europe you have in your mind.

We Remainers wanted approximately the status quo. The EU was far from perfect but what we are now being offered is substantially worse.
AND to make it worse none of the Leave side can tell us what they actually want. Apart from vague requests for sovereignty and border control and make our own trade deals and laws.

Welcome to broken Britain.

 

[Notanumber]

Stop blaming us; it is deceitful because she supports your side of the argument now. This balls-to-the-walls paramount of Wesminster incompetence wouldn't even have to be failing at this if it wasn't for the Leave vote. This entirely avoidable situation is the fault of the Brexiteers alone. You won. Get over it.




That's because she's engaging in sound-bite politics as the people on our side of the line have pointed out from the beginning while you lot have accused us of being 'unpatriotic' or 'Project Fear' for not agreeing with her every word like a bunch of sycophants. Not our fault that you lot dismissed our warnings out of hand.

TresseMay has taken up an impossible task and because she's failing at it you're trying to lay the blame at the feet of those who didn't set that task before her to start with. She's not failing at it because she's a Remainer hoping to sabotage the whole operation (because then you'd have to explain why Davis and Bojo - both ardent Quitlers - were so disgustingly inept at their jobs); she's failing due to the fact she's an inept politician and because you cannot get a better deal than the one we have now, as an EU member. No sane group would permit this sort of thing - to allow a non-dues-paying non-member of the Single Market who does not agree to principles like freedom of movement to have full access to all the benefits that other Single Market members have to pay for and have to acquiesce to things like freedom of movement.

She literally cannot succeed at the task you have given her and it is both her fault for being inept and your fault for putting us in this situation. Please, as a Brexiter, take partial ownership of it and stop trying to childishly blame the Remainers.

I did not give Theresa the appeaser the task. I wanted a true Brexiteer to have the task.

I see now why she was so keen to make sure a Brexiteer did not get the task. Freedom from the bureaucratic EU was the last thing she and the rest of the Remainers wanted and they are doing their best to make sure we don’t get it.

 

[Altfish]

I did not give Theresa the appeaser the task. I wanted a true Brexiteer to have the task.

I see now why she was so keen to make sure a Brexiteer did not get the task. Freedom from the bureaucratic EU was the last thing she and the rest of the Remainers wanted and they are doing their best to make sure we don’t get it.

So why did she give Davis and Johnson the key posts?
The problem is, Brexit, despite what the Leavers said, is NOT simple.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I did not give Theresa the appeaser the task. I wanted a true Brexiteer to have the task.

You did when you voted Leave. You handed the Tories the power to interpret the vote however they want.

I see now why she was so keen to make sure a Brexiteer did not get the task. Freedom from the bureaucratic EU was the last thing she and the rest of the Remainers wanted and they are doing their best to make sure we don’t get it.

None of this explains the incompetence of politicians who were consistently pro-Brexit. Take David Davis for instance: a year into his job and his department still hadn't performed any cost analyses of what a no-deal Brexit would look like. It's much more likely Theresa's making a mess of this because she's incompetent or because she's been given unachievable goals to meet.

Regardless - even if there is a grand Remainer conspiracy there would be nothing to conspire against if you lot hadn't voted Leave!!

Blaming us is utterly cowardly and pathetic. Leavers need to grow the **** up and take responsibility for the mark they put on their ballot paper.

 

[Altfish]

Action man is back by popular demand.

Nigel Farage is returning to politics to fight Theresa May's Brexit plan

Is this the same Nigel Farage that has just got ripped apart on Twitter and challenged to a debate?

This doctor just destroyed Nigel Farage in the most epic way

 

[ChristineM]

I did not give Theresa the appeaser the task. I wanted a true Brexiteer to have the task.

I see now why she was so keen to make sure a Brexiteer did not get the task. Freedom from the bureaucratic EU was the last thing she and the rest of the Remainers wanted and they are doing their best to make sure we don’t get it.

Just so long as you pay for the benefits you will be welcome... No free rides

 

[Notanumber]

So why did she give Davis and Johnson the key posts?

To make them the scapegoats.

Fortunately, they were too clever for her and her best mate Olly.

The problem is, Brexit, despite what the Leavers said, is NOT simple.

It is not simple for the EU if we start playing hardball, as a true Bexiteer would have done from the start.

 

[Notanumber]

You did when you voted Leave. You handed the Tories the power to interpret the vote however they want.




None of this explains the incompetence of politicians who were consistently pro-Brexit. Take David Davis for instance: a year into his job and his department still hadn't performed any cost analyses of what a no-deal Brexit would look like. It's much more likely Theresa's making a mess of this because she's incompetent or because she's been given unachievable goals to meet.

Regardless - even if there is a grand Remainer conspiracy there would be nothing to conspire against if you lot hadn't voted Leave!!

Blaming us is utterly cowardly and pathetic. Leavers need to grow the **** up and take responsibility for the mark they put on their ballot paper.

The Sir Humphrey’s that surrounded him are dead against leaving the EU.

Some people find it totally unacceptable to follow the democratic wishes of the country.