joea
Oshoyoi
Leave them alone....just take care of them and nourish them. Children are born innocent. The little monsters and the cruelty certainly didn't come from them....so where did his ego come from, his parents, teachers. you?..
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When did you lose your innocence????
- Thread starter Bird123
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It is the conviction that reality will behave in a benevolent or convenient way, and that facts supporting alternate interpretations of reality must be disregarded.
It may be insufferable if encouraged by external sources, particularly if it goes on for too long or if there are conflicting drives that are maintained without resolution.
Ego comes from the desire to have control over one's environment and feeling "special". It may and often is fed to exageration by external sources, however, particularly by parents with poor self-image due to separation or other anxieties.
blackout
Violet.
That makes two of us, UV. The problem with innocence (by my definition anyway) is that it is seen as a prize to be protected, when in truth it is a painful and damaging hurdle to be overcome.
There is much undue sugarcoating of innocence going on around there. And after all that effort, ultimately it must be removed all the same. Lots of people have a strong desire to feel guilty, it seems.
There is much undue sugarcoating of innocence going on around there. And after all that effort, ultimately it must be removed all the same. Lots of people have a strong desire to feel guilty, it seems.
joea
Oshoyoi
Are you saying a child is born with an ego?. The child has no ego when born hence, everyone is born enlighten so can how can there be an ego in a young child ?.A child's innocence gradually falls away when he takes on a new mind, the ego, the new personality learned from others(parents, teachers, etc). The knowledge that is taught to him through his upbringing destroys his innocence...
Sure. It takes quite some emotional maturing to actually overcome the deep egotistical drive of young children, in fact. It is a demonstrated, well-documented fact that it takes some years until they even learn that there are things that belong to other people as opposed to themselves.
That IMO is one of the most twisted teachings coming from Rajneesh. It breeds a very nasty, unhealthy brand of narcisism on his so-called "sanyasin". That is one of the main reasons why I consider him a criminal.
No. Unleashed egotistical drives, on the other hand...
DarkSun
:eltiT
I lost mine in stages. But I think I lost most of it between 9 and 14. I still haven't really lost all of my innocence though, I'm very naive about a lot of things. I don't see how this is a bad thing though.
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DarkSun
:eltiT
Best two words in this thread.
If innocence is a lack of knowledge or ignorance, then everyone is innocent to some extent. If innocence is naivity or lack of experience, then very few people here would be innocent. It depends how you define the word.
blackout
Violet.
ahhhh niavety.
na·ive or na·ïve (n
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, nä-) adj. 1. Lacking worldly experience and understanding, especially: a. Simple and guileless; artless:
b. Unsuspecting or credulous: 2. Showing or characterized by a lack of sophistication and critical judgment:
na·ive or na·ïve (n
b. Unsuspecting or credulous: 2. Showing or characterized by a lack of sophistication and critical judgment:
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joea
Oshoyoi
Talking about the "innocence of a child"
blackout
Violet.
blackout
Violet.
The roman catholic version of innocence
caused me to lose mine at age 7,
in such a way that I permanently gave up on it.
I remember the whole thing quite clearly actually.
It was actually a very niave thing to believe.
In retrospect,
giving up on my (church) innocence would have been good
if it hadn't made me brand mySelf a failure.
If there is one thing I wish I could burn out of my upbringing,
it's church. roman catholic/christian whatever. All of it.
I hate... really despise... what it did to me,
and to my life.
I'm still trying desperately to clean up the mess.
Every freikin day.
caused me to lose mine at age 7,
in such a way that I permanently gave up on it.
I remember the whole thing quite clearly actually.
It was actually a very niave thing to believe.
In retrospect,
giving up on my (church) innocence would have been good
if it hadn't made me brand mySelf a failure.
If there is one thing I wish I could burn out of my upbringing,
it's church. roman catholic/christian whatever. All of it.
I hate... really despise... what it did to me,
and to my life.
I'm still trying desperately to clean up the mess.
Every freikin day.
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When my grandson was 2 years old he asked his Mum why she believed in Jesus as she couldn't see, hear or feel him! I should mention he is a child with high functioning autism, he never accepts anything unless it makes sense to him. Santa was not a concept he considered as tenable, and told his parents it was stupid!
joea
Oshoyoi
UV,
Innocence is not being knowledgeable, but is not desirous of being knowledgeable either. A child is utterly content and fulfilled because he has no ambitions hence, the innocence of a child.
DarkSun
:eltiT
That pretty much describes most people.
blackout
Violet.
What child does not want to be knowledgable?
They ask questions 24/7.
A child is utterly content and fulfilled
when mum and/or dad
puts them up in a princess palace
with no problems, and fill'filled tummies.
Children who go without,
and live with strife
do the best they can to feel secure, content, and fulfilled as they can.
just like the rest of us.
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