Colt
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Alls we have from the times of Jesus are the Gospels and the spirit of truth.
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When "Inerrant" Really Means "Full Of Errors"
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Colt
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Even his contemporaries rejected him. The gospels began with collections of his sayings and interviews with eye witnesses. The Apostle John dictated his gospel. Luke interviewed eye witnesses. Mark was a first hand account.
Wrangler
Ask And You Will Receive
No one who actually read the Gospels could come to this conclusion. Referencing wiki takes the cake and it reminds me of a quote from Reagan, "It's not that our Liberal friends are ignorant, it's that they know so much that isn't so." Saint Mark, the writer of the 1st Gospel, personally caused Saint Paul and Barnabas to get into such a heated argument, they went their separate ways! Luke wrote of the event in Acts 15. From here.
“Mark, having become Peter’s interpreter, wrote down accurately everything he remembered, though not in order, of the things either said or done by Christ. For he neither heard the Lord nor followed him, but afterward, as I said, followed Peter, who adapted his teachings as needed, but had no intention of giving an ordered account of the Lord’s sayings. Consequently Mark did nothing wrong in writing down some things as he remembered them, for he made it his one concern not to omit anything that he heard or to make any false statement in them.” (Holmes, Michael W., ed. The Apostolic Fathers in English).
This is the beginning of the good news of Jesus, the Anointed One, the Liberating King, the Son of God.
Mark 1:1 (VOICE)
This testimony is true. In fact, it is an eyewitness account; and he has reported what he saw so that you also may believe.
John 19:35 (VOICE)
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I believe that all of the Bible prophecies that refer to (a) the Coming of the Messiah and (b) the return of Christ have been fulfilled by the Coming of Baha'u'llah and what He did on His Mission.
That was all proven in the book entitled Thief in the Night by William Sears
The prophecies that have not been fulfilled yet refer to what will happen during the Messianic Age. Some of these prophecies have been fulfilled or are in the process of being fulfilled. However, not all of them have yet been fulfilled because an age is a period of time and the Messianic Age will last no less than 1000 years (from the year 1852 AD).
Muhammad was the last Prophet in the Prophetic Age which began with Adam, and that is why He was called the Seal of the Prophets. We are living in the Age of Fulfillment, which is the Messianic Age. All the Bible prophecies will be fulfilled during this age.
“It is evident that every age in which a Manifestation of God hath lived is divinely ordained, and may, in a sense, be characterized as God’s appointed Day. This Day, however, is unique, and is to be distinguished from those that have preceded it. The designation “Seal of the Prophets” fully revealeth its high station. The Prophetic Cycle hath, verily, ended. The Eternal Truth is now come. He hath lifted up the Ensign of Power, and is now shedding upon the world the unclouded splendor of His Revelation.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 60
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Or to find the bones of Jesus proving that He never rose from the dead. NOTHING could make me happier.
Of course most Christians would still deny it and find an excuse to keep believing.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Man hu man created equal.
Status Hu man.
Not sacrificed then and created equally in God conditions.
Old means original thinking using descriptive words.
Equal humans are equal and are present and are created.
The theme equal living with the nature garden. Equal state water baptised life. Not gods spirits as gases we live near to its water mass. Clear mass as water is not clear night time gases.
The clear we live in.
Man a human did a variation in awareness. Placed thought to think when no nature or human existed. Thought consciousness travelled to destruction. Body was where it existed.
Reactive earth God.
Told fake themes such as space is a womb. Space owned one word described meaning space......a great big immeasurable hole.
Did not know it's width.
Did not know it's breadth.
Did not know it's depth.
Space.
Said space owned and held energy bodies within it.
Energy he said is held by space.
Inventor of science existed. Man a human but science did not exist.
Science never existed it was designed.
Human man said I have to thesis about space into the mass. Mass did not own space. Space however held energy
So he had to give it space to react energy held in mass cold.
And he did. And he changed the laws of a natural space holding vacuum to get energy by design.
As basic a self human teaching can be. The male man human then attacked what God had supported his health and life and conscious state and was not the same man since.
Ask the man who originally never owned trade status civilization conditions for what reason he invented science.
Originally it was for time travel as he wanted to return everything back to its origin. The eternal spirit unconditional loving being
Ask the eternal a question....it does not know us. Does not converse with us.....it is just unconditional loving the destruction it caused.
Is not common sense. Humans spiritually inherited common sense as a spirit advice our spirit karma to inherit and own life with God
God having left the eternal first.
We got released spiritually out of the eternal only when the emptied out space was refilled with gases. Spirit was forced to move out of the eternal into the heavenly body. It moved inside of the heavens.
Space can't move space only expands.
I learnt that advice.
Eternal spirit converted historic.
We came from unconditional love and changed. Became a human. Unconditional loving of destruction is a contradiction as eternal contradicted itself.
Status Hu man.
Not sacrificed then and created equally in God conditions.
Old means original thinking using descriptive words.
Equal humans are equal and are present and are created.
The theme equal living with the nature garden. Equal state water baptised life. Not gods spirits as gases we live near to its water mass. Clear mass as water is not clear night time gases.
The clear we live in.
Man a human did a variation in awareness. Placed thought to think when no nature or human existed. Thought consciousness travelled to destruction. Body was where it existed.
Reactive earth God.
Told fake themes such as space is a womb. Space owned one word described meaning space......a great big immeasurable hole.
Did not know it's width.
Did not know it's breadth.
Did not know it's depth.
Space.
Said space owned and held energy bodies within it.
Energy he said is held by space.
Inventor of science existed. Man a human but science did not exist.
Science never existed it was designed.
Human man said I have to thesis about space into the mass. Mass did not own space. Space however held energy
So he had to give it space to react energy held in mass cold.
And he did. And he changed the laws of a natural space holding vacuum to get energy by design.
As basic a self human teaching can be. The male man human then attacked what God had supported his health and life and conscious state and was not the same man since.
Ask the man who originally never owned trade status civilization conditions for what reason he invented science.
Originally it was for time travel as he wanted to return everything back to its origin. The eternal spirit unconditional loving being
Ask the eternal a question....it does not know us. Does not converse with us.....it is just unconditional loving the destruction it caused.
Is not common sense. Humans spiritually inherited common sense as a spirit advice our spirit karma to inherit and own life with God
God having left the eternal first.
We got released spiritually out of the eternal only when the emptied out space was refilled with gases. Spirit was forced to move out of the eternal into the heavenly body. It moved inside of the heavens.
Space can't move space only expands.
I learnt that advice.
Eternal spirit converted historic.
We came from unconditional love and changed. Became a human. Unconditional loving of destruction is a contradiction as eternal contradicted itself.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Who do you believe was the spirit of truth?
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Supported unconditionally yet live by conditions.
Colt
Well-Known Member
The spirit of truth is Jesus and among us now.
In my opinion the Quran and writings of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad also present their theologies and not eyewitness accounts to Jesus life, but I bet you can't even see the problem.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Life sacrificed attacked human teaching is the topic Jesus. A human spiritual advice. Suffering itself to give conscious advice that Phi used for mass God conversions caused life to be attacked by man using technology.
The exact same advice as before in Jesus and before that advice in Moses.
Science thesis by Phi then applied change due to Phi thinking first then using. Science.
Teaching man invented his own sin. Science state
Colt
Well-Known Member
The translation from Chinese to English isn’t working.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I do not believe that Jesus is the Spirit of Truth, since Jesus promised the Spirit of Truth would come later and guide us into all truth. Jesus did not do what the Spirit of Truth was slated to do because as Jesus said, we could not bear the many things back in His day.
John 16:12-13 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Moreover, Jesus cannot be the Spirit of Truth because Jesus referred to the Spirit of Truth as a separate individual..
John 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
I'm not Chinese. Never spoke Chinese have no understanding Chinese.
Males theists think first. Just as a human as their owned origin. Natural exists first it's owned origins also.
Thinking can place thoughts anywhere without bio body shifting
What scientist lied about.
To shift physical was by converting it
Looks at info human not there. Not even existing yet. Looked back into reactive energy past.
Looks at conversion advice. Mass gone already. Mass left is what he concludes to remove yet it was not thesis how to. Says that mass yet to convert was in the future by his choice. Machine. Mass was always in the past.
Another science lie.
Applied conversion advice. Spirit evolution cooling instantly disappears
Man self plus all other natural bodies sacrificed.
If it were karmic no man human would exist. Karmic means direct inheritance by reasons of causes.
God did not theorise it build invention. God mass gone.
Nor did garden.
Nor did insects.
Nor did birds.
Nor did animals.
Nor did human female. Sacrificed bodies gone.
Experimenter. Evilly pulls apart a body. Then says I am learning to put it back. Body existing elsewhere is natural. He never put it back what he destroyed. It remained destroyed.
What evil human lying means as a human teaching.
Experimenting was always destroying. Man claim I will learn how to create. What was created still existed naturally.
Destroyer bible man warning.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
All 4 Gospels were anonymous documents later named after the disciples to add some credulity to them for the credulous (sinful) Pauline-Christians, I understand, please. Right?
"The four canonical gospels were probably written between AD 66 and 110.[9][10][11] All four were anonymous (the modern names were added in the 2nd century), almost certainly none were by eyewitnesses, and all are the end-products of long oral and written transmission.[12] Mark was the first to be written, using a variety of sources;[13][14] the authors of Matthew and Luke, acting independently, used Mark for their narrative of Jesus's career, "
Gospel - Wikipedia
Right?
Regards
Regards
Colt
Well-Known Member
When Jesus returned to the spirit world he could then pour out the spirit of truth upon all flesh as he said he would. That spirit came on Pentecost.
Colt
Well-Known Member
What is the source from the first century that says the 4 gospels originally had no names?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
"Gospel[note 1] originally meant the Christian message, but in the 2nd century it came to be used also for the books in which the message was set out;[2] in this sense a gospel can be defined as a loose-knit, episodic narrative of the words and deeds of Jesus of Nazareth, culminating in his trial and death"
Gospel - Wikipedia
"Jesus cursed death on the Cross" (that never happened) is (an important aspect of ) the theme of the 4 Gospels, I understand. It is a misstatement of the 4 Gospels, I figure, as they were not eye-witnesses of the event, never. Right?
Regards
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
The Church teaching is that the Comforter and Spirit of truth are the Holy Spirit that was sent to the disciples at Pentecost, but that makes no sense, because the disciples did not do all of the following things that it says the Comforter and Spirit of truth will do in these verses: John 14:26; John 15:26; John 16:8,13,14
- Teach you all things
- Call to remembrance what Jesus said
- Testify of Jesus
- Glorify Jesus, receive of Jesus, and shew it unto you
- Guide you into all truth
- Speak what He hears and shew you things to come
- Reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment
Acts 2:17-21 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Colt
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You are simply cutting and pasting from wiki without providing the source of who was present in the first century to collaborate your claim.