When it comes to Prayer 76% of Americans Don't Give a **** About the Constitution

[First Baseman]

Rather difficult for your martyrism to be taken seriously when your hypocrisy is out in the open....

See post #137. Have a nice day.

 

[McBell]

You are prejudiced. You yourself have established this fact.

Actually, all there is is the bold empty claim of an admitted dishonest martyr seeker.

 

[First Baseman]

rotflmao

who was that made the bold claim:

"Those who are prejudiced often call names and what have you to avoid their prejudices being called out. Not gonna work here, buddy."​

Oh yeah, that was you....

Yep, that's right. It isn't going to work with me. You, sir, have a pride problem. I suggest you get that worked out.

 

[SkepticThinker]

But that's just it, the religious students DON'T have the right to pray during school time and the school does not have the right to sponsor a prayer. That's the point, you do not have the right to take up my child's learning time with your child's religious chantings. No more than I would have the right to demand that, during Catholic Mass after the sermon, all the Catholics "sit quietly" while I read a passage from On the Origin of Species or Green Eggs and Ham.

And if you think it's a 'pleasure' for people who don't believe in God to "sit quietly" while superstitious nudniks make chants and incantations to their Cloud King, you're mistaken. No more than it would be a pleasure for you to sit through 15 minutes of Allah Ackbar or Shabbat Shalom. Those who want it may seek it, those who don't shouldn't have it foisted upon them.

This ^^^^

 

[McBell]

See post #137. Have a nice day.

ah yes, the post that reveals your blatant hypocrisy and shows (according to your own presented logic) you to be prejudiced.

your god must be proud.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You are confused. I never said anything about state sponsored anything.

What are you advocating then?

 

[McBell]

Yep, that's right. It isn't going to work with me. You, sir, have a pride problem. I suggest you get that worked out.

your transference is most entertaining.

 

[First Baseman]

Actually, all there is is the bold empty claim of an admitted dishonest martyr seeker.

Actually, and notedly, you offer no valid defense to the claim, you just call me a name and act as though I am something I am not. Good luck with that.

 

[crossfire]

Just think about how far it could go to build respect for individuals and individuals to have their own thoughts.

How is this not the other side of the coin of religious indoctrination? Not even making an allowance of time for a child to have their own thoughts, just for themselves?

Surely, if a child is allowed time for their own thoughts, then they wouldn't have to steal the time from their studies being distracted by their own thoughts trying to come through daydreams?

 

[SkepticThinker]

I think shared moments of silence is a good thing.

How about shared moments of learning important educational things like mathematics and science?

 

[First Baseman]

What are you advocating then?

That the SCOTUS is seeking to restrict and/or prohibit practice of religion supposedly guaranteed under the 1st amendment.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Wrong. We do have that right. Unless the SCOTUS takes it away from us, which is what they seem to have been wont to do.

Congress can make no law impeding our practice of religion. That includes classrooms, study halls, football fields, etc.

Maybe I'm confused because this seems to contradict what you said to me.

 

[First Baseman]

Maybe I'm confused because this seems to contradict what you said to me.

Seems?

 

[McBell]

Actually, and notedly, you offer no valid defense to the claim, you just call me a name and act as though I am something I am not. Good luck with that.

All I have done is given you a post to click "reply" to.
That you have no self control to stop yourself at this point is really most entertaining.

 

[crossfire]

How about shared moments of learning important educational things like mathematics and science?

I think I'll go look up scientific studies regarding the benefits of 5 minutes of meditation a day--to see what effect it has on mindfulness during ordinary tasks, including mathematics.

 

[Koldo]

I'm not objecting to faith-based schools of any faith.

But I don't see a problem with a public school including prayers in the tradition of the culture and values of the land. (I would object to a public school including prayers not in this tradition.) They aren't being forced down people's throats, as I said here in the UK the people are quite secular but prayers are a benign peaceful thing that people enjoy along with hymns.

If those prayers belong to any religion that entails supporting a given religion in favor of others.

 

[crossfire]

I think I'll go look up scientific studies regarding the benefits of 5 minutes of meditation a day--to see what effect it has on mindfulness during ordinary tasks, including mathematics.

here's a quick article:
http://time.com/3682311/mindfulness-math/
snippet:

Children did a three-minute meditation three times a day focusing on their breathing. They also acted on their lessons by practicing gratitude and doing kind things for others.

For the four months, researchers analyzed all kinds of in-depth measures, like behavioral assessments, cortisol levels, children’s self-reports of their own wellbeing, reviews from their peers about sociability and the objective academic scores of math grades.

The results were dramatic. “I really did not anticipate that we would have so many positive findings across all the multiple levels we looked at,” says study co-author Kimberly A. Schonert-Reichl, a developmental psychologist at the University of British Columbia. “I was very surprised,” she says—especially considering that the intervention took place at the end of the year, notoriously the worst time for students’ self-control.

Compared to the kids in the social responsibility program, children with the mindful intervention had 15% better math scores, showed 24% more social behaviors, were 24% less aggressive and perceived themselves as 20% more prosocial. They outperformed their peers in cognitive control, stress levels, emotional control, optimism, empathy, mindfulness and aggression.​

There are all kinds of articles out there about this.

 

[First Baseman]

All I have done is given you a post to click "reply" to.
That you have no self control to stop yourself at this point is really most entertaining.

See post # 137. Have a nice day.

 

[Demonslayer]

How is this not the other side of the coin of religious indoctrination?

A school is a place to learn school subjects. I don't think anyone would enjoy me coming to church and insisting everyone stop their praying so I could recite the periodic table of elements. Or maybe more accurately, demand that 15 minutes of every church service people sit in silence so I have the chance to think about non-religious things. It's a church service, it's 45-60 minutes, the church people should be able to focus on their service. Why should I be able to halt the church service for my personal thoughts? I can leave the church, I can think my thoughts before or after the service.

Would you agree? Should I be able to disrupt a church service to ensure I have time during that service for my personal thoughts?

Not even making an allowance of time for a child to have their own thoughts, just for themselves?

Who's saying students can't have their own thoughts? A religious student can sit there daydreaming about Jesus all day long if they so choose. Even during class time, as long as class time is not interrupted for the students focused on the subject matter.

Should my child have to stop doing what he or she is doing or thinking about, to make sure your child has enough time to think about God? Additionally free periods and after school time can be used to organize as much prayer as you want. Why must we also demand additional time?

To further my example above, if I go to church and privately I'm thinking about math and science in my head, that would be OK, wouldn't you agree? No one is trying to control what I think in my head.

 

[McBell]

See post # 137. Have a nice day.

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