When Jesus died.Did his spirit go to the center of the earth?

[paarsurrey]

They wanted a sign rather than discernment by faith.

I don't get one exactly. Please elaborate.
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[Colt]

I don't get one exactly. Please elaborate.
Regards

The Jewish religious leaders wanted an outward miraculous sign of some sort to prove that Jesus was the expected Messiah. Faith in Jesus was and still is an inner experience. The Father bears witness to the identity of his Son.

Peter Confesses Jesus as the Christ

13Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?”14And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” 15He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”17And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rockb I will build my church, and the gates of hellc shall not prevail against it. 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosedd in heaven.” 20Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ.

 

[paarsurrey]

The Jewish religious leaders wanted an outward miraculous sign of some sort to prove that Jesus was the expected Messiah. Faith in Jesus was and still is an inner experience. The Father bears witness to the identity of his Son.

Peter Confesses Jesus as the Christ

13Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?”14And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” 15He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”17And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rockb I will build my church, and the gates of hellc shall not prevail against it. 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosedd in heaven.” 20Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ.

Yet Jesus addressed the Jews and promised them a sign, that was never performed by Jesus before them as per the Pauline-Hellenist concepts. Right?
So instead of confirming for Jews, why should not Paul be exposed as a false Apostle which he was, I gather. Right?

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[Colt]

Yet Jesus addressed the Jews and promised them a sign, that was never performed by Jesus before them as per the Pauline-Hellenist concepts. Right?
So instead of confirming for Jews, why should not Paul be exposed as a false Apostle which he was, I gather. Right?

Regards

The sign WAS performed for the believing Jews. When Jesus returned from death in a new form as promised (three days in the belly) he appeared before a number of believing Jews.

Then the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Why do You speak to the people in parables?”11He replied, “The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13This is why I speak to them in parables:

‘Though seeing, they do not see;

though hearing, they do not hear or understand.’b14In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled:

‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;

you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.15For this people’s heart has grown callous;

they hardly hear with their ears,

and they have closed their eyes.

Otherwise they might see with their eyes,

hear with their ears,

understand with their hearts,

and turn, and I would heal them.’c16But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.

This world is a faith experience for each one of us. Jesus did NOT violate the sanctity of the fathers plan for our spiritual childhood. Jesus did NOT stoop to shallow tricks and magic shows to bypass our faith experience.........yet for those who have achieved spiritual vision he left an abundance of proofs and miracles!

Again, your grudge for Paul has nothing to do with everything that happened before Paul became a believer.

 

[paarsurrey]

The sign WAS performed for the believing Jews. When Jesus returned from death in a new form as promised (three days in the belly) he appeared before a number of believing Jews.

Then the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Why do You speak to the people in parables?”11He replied, “The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13This is why I speak to them in parables:

‘Though seeing, they do not see;

though hearing, they do not hear or understand.’b14In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled:

‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;

you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.15For this people’s heart has grown callous;

they hardly hear with their ears,

and they have closed their eyes.

Otherwise they might see with their eyes,

hear with their ears,

understand with their hearts,

and turn, and I would heal them.’c16But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.

This world is a faith experience for each one of us. Jesus did NOT violate the sanctity of the fathers plan for our spiritual childhood. Jesus did NOT stoop to shallow tricks and magic shows to bypass our faith experience.........yet for those who have achieved spiritual vision he left an abundance of proofs and miracles!

Again, your grudge for Paul has nothing to do with everything that happened before Paul became a believer.

" The sign WAS performed for the believing Jews. "

If one loves Jesus one should be careful, one's above expression is against Jesus words, Jesus could not address believing Jews as " A wicked and adulterous generation" so they were mischievous persons , non-believers and persecutors of Jesus.

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[Colt]

" The sign WAS performed for the believing Jews. "

If one loves Jesus one should be careful, one's above expression is against Jesus words, Jesus could not address believing Jews as " A wicked and adulterous generation" so they were mischievous persons , non-believers and persecutors of Jesus.

Regards

ALL of the apostles and the majority of Jesus’ faithful followers were Jews. After the resurrection Jesus appeared to the Jews who believed in him.

You don’t seem know the gospels very well?

 

[paarsurrey]

ALL of the apostles and the majority of Jesus’ faithful followers were Jews. After the resurrection Jesus appeared to the Jews who believed in him.

You don’t seem know the gospels very well?

I understand Jesus rather than understanding the Deviant-Hellenist Paul. Right?

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[Eli G]

I understand Jesus rather than understanding the Deviant-Hellenist Paul. Right?

Regards

You are trying to give an image of Paul that is not real. Paul was not a Trinitarian, and he was not a Hellenist either. Paul was a Pharisee and educated in the Jewish traditions; he was a conservative Jew.

When Paul became a Christian he became one of the most ardent, and he understood how Jesus was the true Messiah spoken of in those Scriptures that he, as a well-educated Jew, knew so well.

Jesus' apostles knew and approved of Paul's evangelizing work (2 Pet. 3:15,16; Gal. 2:9) , and God used him to write more than half of the Christian Greek Scriptures.

Why are you insisting that much on wanting to give a false image of Paul?

 

[paarsurrey]

You are trying to give an image of Paul that is not real. Paul was not a Trinitarian, and he was not a Hellenist either. Paul was a Pharisee and educated in the Jewish traditions; he was a conservative Jew.

When Paul became a Christian he became one of the most ardent, and he understood how Jesus was the true Messiah spoken of in those Scriptures that he, as a well-educated Jew, knew so well.

Jesus' apostles knew and approved of Paul's evangelizing work (2 Pet. 3:15,16; Gal. 2:9) , and God used him to write more than half of the Christian Greek Scriptures.

Why are you insisting that much on wanting to give a false image of Paul?

But Jesus did not approve Paul, if yes, please quote from Jesus. Right?

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[Eli G]

Jesus did not dissaprove Paul as his follower. Actually, it should be more than enough for you to know that the apostles approved him, since Jesus told them:

Matt. 18:18 “Truly I say to you, whatever things you may bind on earth will be things already bound in heaven, and whatever things you may loosen on earth will be things already loosened in heaven."

Have an excellent day.

 

[paarsurrey]

Jesus did not dissaprove Paul as his follower. Actually, it should be more than enough for you to know that the apostles approved him, since Jesus told them:

Matt. 18:18 “Truly I say to you, whatever things you may bind on earth will be things already bound in heaven, and whatever things you may loosen on earth will be things already loosened in heaven."

Have an excellent day.

One could not quote anything from Jesus for approval of Paul who never converted to follow Jesus' and his teachings but instead by faking a vision, I gather, Paul converted disgusted simple-minded followers of Jesus to Hellenism by changing the nomenclature of the Jewish Messiah/Moshiach. Christ is never a Hebrew term, please:
Right?

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[Eli G]

That's your baseless opinion.

Peter thought something diferent about Paul:

2 Pet. 3:15 Furthermore, consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you according to the wisdom given him, 16 speaking about these things as he does in all his letters.

However, some things in them are hard to understand, and these things the ignorant and unstable are twisting, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Where do those words leave you?

 

[cataway]

33 But on coming to Jesus, they saw that he was already dead, so they did not break his legs. 34 But one of the soldiers jabbed his side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out. 35 And the one who has seen it has given this witness, and his witness is true, and he knows that what he says is true, so that you also may believe. 36 In fact, these things took place for the scripture to be fulfilled: “Not a bone of his will be broken.” 37 And again, a different scripture says: “They will look to the one whom they pierced.”
he was all ready dead and a soldier made sure of it

 

[paarsurrey]

33 But on coming to Jesus, they saw that he was already dead, so they did not break his legs. 34 But one of the soldiers jabbed his side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out. 35 And the one who has seen it has given this witness, and his witness is true, and he knows that what he says is true, so that you also may believe. 36 In fact, these things took place for the scripture to be fulfilled: “Not a bone of his will be broken.” 37 And again, a different scripture says: “They will look to the one whom they pierced.”
he was all ready dead and a soldier made sure of it

It was ploy to save Jesus from a cursed death on the Cross, one gathers from the strong clues in the Gospels, please. Right?

Regards

 

[Colt]

It was ploy to save Jesus from a cursed death on the Cross, one gathers from the strong clues in the Gospels, please. Right?

Regards

The ploy here is you accusing Jesus of faking his death to satisfy your disbelief! You are the conspirator here not Jesus or the guards who executed him!

 

[paarsurrey]

That's your baseless opinion.

Peter thought something diferent about Paul:

2 Pet. 3:15 Furthermore, consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you according to the wisdom given him, 16 speaking about these things as he does in all his letters.

However, some things in them are hard to understand, and these things the ignorant and unstable are twisting, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Where do those words leave you?

Jesus rebuked Peter as per Gospels, not a reliable person to quote from. Right?

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

The ploy here is you accusing Jesus of faking his death to satisfy your disbelief! You are the conspirator here not Jesus or the guards who executed him!

I love Jesus that is why I am defending Jesus against the Pauline-Hellenist-Christians who are bent upon to prove incorrectly that Jesus died a cursed death on Cross, and that never happened.
I didn't say that Jesus made a ploy, the ploy was arranged by the Pilate whose wife had seen a truthful dream that Jesus was an innocent person. Pilate washed off his hands that Jesus was innocent, so he conspired with his staff to save Jesus from the death, and it is very much recorded in the Gospels. If one loves Jesus one should be happy that Jesus did not die a cursed death on the Cross. Please ponder over it seriously and come out of the trance of the Hellenist-Paul. Right?

Have a good day.

Regards

 

[cataway]

I love Jesus that is why I am defending Jesus against the Pauline-Hellenist-Christians who are bent upon to prove incorrectly that Jesus died a cursed death on Cross, and that never happened.
I didn't say that Jesus made a ploy, the ploy was arranged by the Pilate whose wife had seen a truthful dream that Jesus was an innocent person. Pilate washed off his hands that Jesus was innocent, so he conspired with his staff to save Jesus from the death, and it is very much recorded in the Gospels. If one loves Jesus one should be happy that Jesus did not die a cursed death on the Cross. Please ponder over it seriously and come out of the trance of the Hellenist-Paul. Right?

Have a good day.

Regards

oh a cross ?? not it was not a cross .you would likely recognize it as a pole

 

[paarsurrey]

33 But on coming to Jesus, they saw that he was already dead, so they did not break his legs. 34 But one of the soldiers jabbed his side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out. 35 And the one who has seen it has given this witness, and his witness is true, and he knows that what he says is true, so that you also may believe. 36 In fact, these things took place for the scripture to be fulfilled: “Not a bone of his will be broken.” 37 And again, a different scripture says: “They will look to the one whom they pierced.”
he was all ready dead and a soldier made sure of it

" he was already dead"

Please name the physician who checked that Jesus was already dead.
The soldier knew that Jesus was innocent so he made this statement to save Jesus' life.
Please ponder over it seriously and don't accuse Jesus of dying a cursed death on the Cross, that he never did, please, please. Right?

Regards

 

[cataway]

" he was already dead"

Please name the physician who checked that Jesus was already dead.
The soldier knew that Jesus was innocent so he made this statement to save Jesus' life.
Please ponder over it seriously and don't accuse Jesus of dying a cursed death on the Cross, that he never did, please, please. Right?

Regards

Col 4:
14 Luke, the beloved physician, sends you his greetings, and so does Deʹmas.