while we Waite on #1.
#2. "Revelation 12:7-17"
Just because a vision is shown in heaven. (the third Heaven), do not mean it took place in the 3rd heaven.
start at verse 4 to set the context.
Revelation 12:4 "And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born”.
The main key here is the word, “tail”, and “of “, as in “of” heaven, and not in heaven, about the stars. stars here is symbolic of men who hold God's written word. stars do not necessary , or automatically means angels. in this verse it means men. those on earth that had heavenly information, or a message from God, that’s the symbolization used here of, heavenly stars. revelation chapter 12 correspond to the birth of Christ to a tee. Matthews chapter 2 tells how Herod the king tried to kill the baby, the Christ. it say that the dragon drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to earth, this is not a persuasion to follow the dragon, but an attempt by the dragon, (king herod), to use someone to gain heavenly knowledge. it said that his tail “DREW” the THIRD part of the stars of heaven. drew here, means, "to gather together". so who did king Herod drew, or gathered together? it's the stars or messengers that is (of heaven), that’s on earth, with the heavenly knowledge of where the babe is to be born at. (I'll show this by scripture, later). Herod the king called/drew, or gathered together unto him his aids, to find out about the new born King, that the wise men came to worship. he wanted to know where the child was born at, so that he may kill the babe, (he stood ready to kill/devour, the child). as said, the word drew, past tense, mean to gather, or draw together. king Herod inquired of the men of God, (Heavenly messengers, or Godly men, the stars), as to where the babe was born at. lets pick up the account, and see what the "THIRD PART" that he drew with his tail. Matt 2:4 "And when he had gathered all the chief priests,(1 part), and scribes, (2 part), of the people together, (there it is, of the people, not angels in heaven). he demanded of them where Christ should be born". these men was of God, who should know the things of God, and they did. scripture, Matt 2:5 "And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet, 6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel". Now lets get the third part, the wise men. Matthews 2:7 “ Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, (3rd Part), enquired of them diligently what time the star appeared”. There is the third part, or the third of stars, the wise men. the scriptures said that the dragon, drew a third part, “of”, the stars, “of”, heaven. There you have it, a third part of the STARS. lets recap, Matthews 2:4, 1/3 the chief priests, 2/3 the scribes, and the 3/3 the wise men.
see how the wisdom of God work to bring out the correct information. only Lucifer fell, (not physically), but as Adam did in the Garden, no more presenting himself before the Lord, orther words as the scriptures states, his place was found no more in heaven, (as Adam present was not no more in the Garden). and this exile of satan was not at chapter 12 here in Revelation, but we will see in chapter 11 of the two witness. Satan fall, scripture, Isaiah 14:12 " How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! verse 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, (STOP IF HE WAS TO ASEND INTO HEAVEN THEN HE WAS NOT FROM HEAVEN). I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: verse 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. verse 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit”.
so, not one holy angels in heaven fell, but Lucifer only, which was before. as the Lord Jesus said in Luke 10:18 "And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven." lighting here is symbolic for ... "quick", because physical lighting is only for a few seconds.
let God word prove without a doubt that these stars here in chapter 12 are men. Jude1:12 "These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, (there they are), to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever". these stars .... wondering, are false prophets and teachers, ect...... Human men. a reading of the whole chapter will revealed who they are. But lets see them in a few verses. Jude verse 4 "For there are certain “men” crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ”. now verse 11, these same men are describe again, "Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core". so these "stars" are men, on earth, and not angels in heaven.
“and the dragon stood before the woman ready to devoue”. Matthews 2:8 “ And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also”. The word devour here is to kill. scripture: Matt 2:16 "Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men". So we see the real dragon being represented/ or is symbolic in the person of king Herod. And the woman, symbolic of the church in the wilderness, (Judah). And the child born is the male child the Christ, the HEAD of the church, the chief cornerstone. and the 3rd of stars was 1 the chief priest, 2 scribes, and 3 the wise men, the THREE PARTS.
So no holy angels fell from heaven, not here, nor satan, because he's not from heaven.
Revelation 12:7 "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels”.
Not a war in the third heaven, the habitation of God, or the seat of the angels and glorified saints, NO, there is no discord and contentions there, nothing but peace, love, and joy. but in the church, and outside, below, here on EARTH, which contain some militant, and has in it as it were a company of two armies, the Good the bad, and and along with the ugly on the sidelines. heaven here is on the earth, where the sky/heaven is. that which was the heaven of Satan, the god of this world, or the prince of the “AIR”/ heaven. our sky, and this war refers not to the dispute between Michael the archangel and the devil about the body of Moses, or any such. no, but with principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world. the name "Michael" is symbolically here for the Lord Jesus, for the Name Michael means "LIKE GOD". and this "WAR" is spiritual. Ephesians 6:10 "Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Verse 11 "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. Verse 12 "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Verse 13 "Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Verse 14 "Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; verse 15 "And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; verse 16 "Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. Verse 17 "And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: verse 18 "Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints”.
Lets see it clearly. “Michael and his angels fought against the dragon”. the name Michael, as said, here, is NOT meaning a created angel, with whom his name does not agree, it signifying "who is as or like God". the name Michael means “Like God” and Jesus is our God. our Lord goes to battle for his people. Supportive scripture, Isaiah 42:13 "The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies”. now see Rev 19:11-16, he the TRUE Gospel, who is TRUTH. the warfare is spiritual in Nature, for the sin sick souls.
and his battle, it is not yours, nor mine, but the Lord's, and it is his to win, scripture, 2 Chronicles 20:15 "And he said, Hearken ye, all Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem, and thou king Jehoshaphat, Thus saith the LORD unto you, Be not afraid nor dismayed by reason of this great multitude; for the battle is not yours, but God's. verse 16 "To morrow go ye down against them: behold, they come up by the cliff of Ziz; and ye shall find them at the end of the brook, before the wilderness of Jeruel. 17 "Ye shall not need to fight in this battle: set yourselves, stand ye still, and see the salvation of the LORD with you, O Judah and Jerusalem: fear not, nor be dismayed; to morrow go out against them: for the LORD will be with you".
We are to STAND in the Lord, and watch the Lord fight for us, he is able to deliever.
so the war is not in Heaven, but here on the battleground ... EARTH.
I'm acknowledging that scripture books get edited and redacted, that they aren't perfect. Sometimes things are speculation and conjecture, sometimes holy men misremember stuff. Its simply part of the religious world.
