When was Yeshua born? Summer/Winter

[outhouse]

Wasn't it on his birth certificate?

No they burned it after they read his dad was a roman guard

 

[Desert Snake]

Xmas has nothing to do yeshua at all. it is the winter solstice

Yeah, right... Christmas isn't about Jesus, that's why it's called "Christs Mass", and nativity scenes are set up everywhere. Btw pagan is not some 'response' to Christianity, not every pagan is a disgruntled ex-Catholic.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

When do you think Yeshua(Jesus) was born? In the summer, or the winter, does a church subscribe to a time that you agree with? Present your evidence and vote.

Why does it matter to you so much? Everyone knows that most Christmas tradtions come from the Norse Yule celebrations and the Christ was most likely born in the spring or summer.

 

[Desert Snake]

Why does it matter to you so much?

Everyone knows that most Christmas tradtions come from the Norse Yule celebrations and the Christ was most likely born in the spring or summer.

Did I say it did?
Anyways you've already trolled another thread...so no point in responding to you.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Yeah, right... Christmas isn't about Jesus, that's why it's called "Christs Mass", and nativity scenes are set up everywhere. Btw pagan is not some 'response' to Christianity, not every pagan is a disgruntled ex-Catholic.

Aside from the nativity, and a few Christmas carols, it's just a veil covering Yuletide.

 

[outhouse]

the date we celibrate has nothing to do with the real persons birth date

 

[Desert Snake]

Aside from the nativity, and a few Christmas carols, it's just a veil covering Yuletide.

Or Santa Claus? I think that's the commercial aspect of Christmas, though, I don't really think it's a pagan holiday, just a Christian one that utilized a pre-existing pagan holiday date.

 

[Gaura Priya]

I am celebrating Christmas this year in a very Christian way as much as possible... otherwise we might as well call it Yule and be done with it.

If you celebrate true Christmas, Christ is there. If Yule, you would be doing Yule festivities. Saturnalia...

Christmas isn't a cover celebration any more than Channukah being a 'Jewish version' of Christmas.

And not like it matters if Jesus was born in Spring or Autumn, which I moreso believe... but I do believe he existed at some point in time!

 

[Desert Snake]

I am celebrating Christmas this year in a very Christian way as much as possible... otherwise we might as well call it Yule and be done with it.

If you celebrate true Christmas, Christ is there. If Yule, you would be doing Yule festivities. Saturnalia...

Christmas isn't a cover celebration any more than Channukah being a 'Jewish version' of Christmas.

And not like it matters if Jesus was born in Spring or Autumn, which I moreso believe... but I do believe he existed at some point in time!

Totally agree!

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Or Santa Claus? I think that's the commercial aspect of Christmas, though, I don't really think it's a pagan holiday, just a Christian one that utilized a pre-existing pagan holiday date.

And their customs, including the tree, wreaths, exchanging gifts, and lights.

 

[Gaura Priya]

And their customs, including the tree, wreaths, exchanging gifts, and lights.

Yup... but how can we realistically 'give up' pagan customs, which also include toasting with glasses, yule log, mistletoe, etc.

As well as the Calendar months and days of the week...

Lights are not necessarily 'pagan'. Light and candles are in almost every tradition. Dipavali has always been the Festival of Light. Channukah's candle lights are found in the story of the Maccabees, and Christians have always used candles and light as symbols and forms to enter into the presence of the Divine.

Dipavali also had gift exchanges and giving into charity, and such also exists during the Baha'i 'Ayyam-i-Ha' and Islamic Eid.

 

[Gaura Priya]

The Christian tradition from what I simply see is basically the Advent wreath and lighting it once a week, Nativity Scene, having a large family meal before going to Midnight Mass...

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Did I say it did?

You asked the question so it must matter at some level. Is there a problem with asking for your motivations? Some reason you are avoiding the question? If your response to questions you don't want to answer is to call the questioner names and refuse to answer then your conversations will be short.

 

[Desert Snake]

And their customs, including the tree, wreaths, exchanging gifts, and lights.

I don't come from a background where any of that is viewed as wrong, though.

 

[Desert Snake]

The Christian tradition from what I simply see is basically the Advent wreath and lighting it once a week, Nativity Scene, having a large family meal before going to Midnight Mass...

Sounds nice, actually.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

I don't come from a background where any of that is viewed as wrong, though.

So, it's only Pagan in origin if you say it's wrong?

 

[Gjallarhorn]

I never said that anything pagan was wrong. I never said that being a pagan was wrong. I don't know how you came to the conclusion that I was anti-pagan.

Well, for starters, why say this?

I don't come from a background where any of that is viewed as wrong, though.

 

[Desert Snake]

Well, for starters, why say this?

Excuse me? I don't follow your reasoning.

 

[Pegg]

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@Pegg, Post No. 11

You believe that Jesus “was born in the month of Ethanim (September-October)”? Then prove that Passover occurred “in the spring month of Nisan”. Prove also about the cursing of the fig tree occurred in Nisan.

Exodus 13:4 “Let there be a remembering of this day on which YOU went out of Egypt, from the house of slaves, ...4 Today YOU are going out in the month of A′bib.
“Abib,” literally meant “Green Ears,” the ears being ripe but still soft. Abib corresponds to the latter part of March and the first part of April. It came to be called Nisan after the Babylonian exile.

John 19:31 tells us that the day after the passover a 'great sabbath' which means the passover did not fall on the usual sabbath which was normally the saturday (7th day of the week)...it fell on the friday, the 6th day of the week which made the next day a 'Great Sabbath'


Mark 11:12 says that the fig tree had leaves but no figs... the fruits come in two stages the first ripe figs come in June/July, and the later figs from August onward. Some trees can produce the leaves ealier then the fruit. What is the issue you see with the fig tree? The jewish months of Sivan(may/june) and Elul (Aug/sept) are the times for figs...not Nisan (mar/apr).

 

[Desert Snake]

Exodus 13:4 “Let there be a remembering of this day on which YOU went out of Egypt, from the house of slaves, ...4 Today YOU are going out in the month of A′bib.
“Abib,” literally meant “Green Ears,” the ears being ripe but still soft. Abib corresponds to the latter part of March and the first part of April. It came to be called Nisan after the Babylonian exile.

John 19:31 tells us that the day after the passover a 'great sabbath' which means the passover did not fall on the usual sabbath which was normally the saturday (7th day of the week)...it fell on the friday, the 6th day of the week which made the next day a 'Great Sabbath'


Mark 11:12 says that the fig tree had leaves but no figs... the fruits come in two stages the first ripe figs come in June/July, and the later figs from August onward. Some trees can produce the leaves ealier then the fruit. What is the issue you see with the fig tree? The jewish months of Sivan(may/june) and Elul (Aug/sept) are the times for figs...not Nisan (mar/apr).

So, we can only surmise the month, right? We don't know the actual day(?)