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The Works of Bahá'u'lláhWhat you said you have.
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The Works of Bahá'u'lláhWhat you said you have.
So true! Like a three bedroom to bath house, no matter how you split the house or how you decorate it on the inside, as long as the foundation is square, you have a good house.Yes... that is a problem.
If the differences are foundational to the belief. Otherwise different Christian groups can be considered as flavors of ice cream. At the core we can be the same but look very different.
That's true, since no religion is subject to proof. We can only believe it is true.Right so all you can provide... by your own words... is your opinion.
Nope... I had a response at the ready.You sure nipped that one in the bud.
I asked for your response not a cut and paste...
I have more than one text to back me up, not just one.
The texts I have were actually written in the Pen of a Prophet, you have no such texts.
I asked for your response not a cut and paste...
I consider that a failure to respond as requested. So what do you have to offer other than opinion and links to things?
I have more than one text to back me up, not just one.
The texts I have were actually written in the Pen of a Prophet, you have no such texts.
You asked for the texts so I provided them.And you have not provided that here.
Are the dead alive somewhere?
Can the dead interact with the living... or dead?
Is there any hope for the dead... can the dead live again?
Some scriptures I found answers these questions...
Genesis 3:19) In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.”
(Psalm 104:29) When you hide your face, they are disturbed. If you take away their spirit, they die and return to the dust.
(Psalm 146:3, 4) 3 Do not put your trust in princes Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation. 4 His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish.
(Ecclesiastes 3:20) All are going to the same place. They all come from the dust, and they all are returning to the dust.
(Ecclesiastes 9:4-10) 4 There is hope for whoever is among the living, because a live dog is better off than a dead lion. 5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they no longer have any share in what is done under the sun. ... 10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going.
(Ecclesiastes 12:7) Then the dust returns to the earth, just as it was, and the spirit returns to the true God who gave it.
(Isaiah 26:19) “Your dead will live. My corpses will rise up. Awake and shout joyfully, You residents in the dust! For your dew is as the dew of the morning, And the earth will let those powerless in death come to life.
(Hosea 13:14) From the power of the Grave I will redeem them; From death I will recover them. Where are your stings, O Death? Where is your destructiveness, O Grave? Compassion will be concealed from my eyes.
(Mark 12:26) But concerning the dead being raised up, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the account about the thornbush, that God said to him: ‘I am the God of Abraham and God of Isaac and God of Jacob’?
(John 5:28, 29) 28 Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.
(John 11:24, 25) 24 Martha said to him: “I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.” 25 Jesus said to her: “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life;
(Acts 24:15) And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.
(1 Corinthians 15:21) For since death came through a man, resurrection of the dead also comes through a man.
Basically, those scriptures tell us
- the dead are not alive anywhere... except in God's memory. Luke 20:38
- the dead cannot communicate with either the living, or the dead. They cannot do anything. They are inactive - in the powerful grip of death.
- the dead can... will live again, by means of a resurrection, which God promises, and is both willing and able to carry out.
On examining these scriptures, do you agree this is what we find?
The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that the state of entropy of the entire universe, as an isolated system, will always increase over time. The second law also states that the changes in the entropy in the universe can never be negative.
This is true.There are many examples of spirit communication.
Thanks to Jehovah, I was able to do that... from a pure source, of course.Do the research.
The Bible has proven reliable.Do not refer to the Bible which was super edited to control the masses.
I realize that's how some people think. That Jesus didn't say it was an illustration. So therefore it was not in their minds. I guess you have to figure Jesus could see it in heaven or wherever the poor man was in Abraham's bosom the conversations there between Abraham's bosom and a rather hot place.Jesus didn't say it was an illustration. Why do you not trust the word of Jesus.
Wikipedia does not replace the Bible.
I don't believe that Jesus ever taught things He didn't see. Others called them parables. Jesus never said "and now I will tell you a story..."I realize that's how some people think. That Jesus didn't say it was an illustration. So therefore it was not in their minds. I guess you have to figure Jesus could see it in heaven or wherever the poor man was in Abraham's bosom the conversations there between Abraham's bosom and a rather hot place.
That's not a valid reason to say it is not an illustration, or parable.Jesus didn't say it was an illustration.
We do. That's how we know, the dead cannot communicate.Why do you not trust the word of Jesus.
Nothing can replace the Bible, nor disprove it.Wikipedia does not replace the Bible.
You are agreeing it was an arrogant response then. They might ask you to apologize.Only if I am wrong. Otherwise it is the truth with grace for the opposition.
That would be a very valid reason in my opinion. Jesus never said He was making stuff up... but He easily could be recounting things the He saw around Him.That's not a valid reason to say it is not an illustration, or parable.
There are several illustrations, or parable which Jesus did not say were parables, but we know they were. All recounted by Luke. Including the Prodigal son.
None of those references are words from God. Those are words of man and Luke 16 says there is no way back from their side to the mortal realm..We do. Tha how we know, the dead cannot communicate.
(Ecclesiastes 9:5) . . .the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all,. . .
(Ecclesiastes 9:10) . . .there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going. . .
(Psalm 115:17) The dead do not praise Jah; Nor do any who go down into the silence of death.
(Psalm 146:4) His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish.
The Creator was changing the natural courae of His creation. No agreement or disagreement with any verses. I dont follow your reasoning.Why don't you trust what is here, taken from God's word?
Did Jesus not agree with these verses, when he said... “Lazʹa·rus our friend has fallen asleep, but I am traveling there to awaken him.” (John 11:11)
So why not believe what Jesus said death was like in Luke? Why argue if you say the Bible is correct... that is the point I am making.Nothing can replace the Bible, nor disprove it.
Jesus did not have to say that but most people know that they are stories called parables. Most Christians even know that.I don't believe that Jesus ever taught things He didn't see. Others called them parables. Jesus never said "and now I will tell you a story..."
Know or believe?Jesus did not have to say that but most people know that they are stories called parables. Most Christians even know that.
Yes. He moved them during the flood.Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” Matthew 17:20-21
Do you think that Jesus saw mountains moving?
Believe.Know or believe?
Do you know that or do you only believe that?Yes. He moved them during the flood.
Then why.did you lie and use the word know in your post?Believe.
Know... Bible says so.Do you know that or do you only believe that?
Jesus did not have to say that but most people know that they are stories called parables. Most Christians even know that
All true. Not stories. History.There are Christians who believe the stories about a talking serpent and donkey and a man who allegedly survived in the belly of a big fish for three days.