Where are the people?

[Trailblazer]

I have been thinking that when Abdu'l-Baha says this century maybe he means this age. When did this Baha'i who was fluent in Persian and English say this to you?

As I recall, it was posted on Baha'i Forums but it was years ago. That Baha'i also has his own website but I cannot remember his name.
Maybe I can dig through my saved Word docs and find it.

You've got a problem with this person saying this was mistranslated. Shoghi Effendi quoted this in The Promised Day has Come. Shoghi Effendi doesn't mistranslate. He always finds the correct word to use to convey the intended meaning.

That is not exactly what I meant, mistranslated. You'd have to see his explanation in order to understand what I mean.

 

[danieldemol]

He was not from a Persian background, but you are free to hold any view you want to hold.

So somone with some knowledge of Persian told you a fib and you believed it in my view.

It's not really a big deal. Humans are fallible so they make mistakes sometimes. God allows humans free will so God isn't going to step in.

It is a big deal to the critical thinker, because the critical thinker requires demonstration of your God's unlimited power and knowledge before they will accept it's All-powerful and All-knowing nature, not excuses for why God won't demonstrate it in my view.

 

[danieldemol]

You've got a problem with this person saying this was mistranslated. Shoghi Effendi quoted this in The Promised Day has Come. Shoghi Effendi doesn't mistranslate. He always finds the correct word to use to convey the intended meaning.

Would have given you a winner frubal for just this much of your post if it were possible.

 

[ppp]

So somone with some knowledge of Persian told you a fib and you believed it in my view.

It is a big deal to the critical thinker, because the critical thinker requires demonstration of your God's unlimited power and knowledge before they will accept it's All-powerful and All-knowing nature, not excuses for why God won't demonstrate it in my view.

Will they ever learn that free will is a lame excuse; not a get out of jail free card?

 

[Truthseeker]

The fifth candle is the unity of nations -- a unity which, in this century, will be securely established, causing all the peoples of the world to regard themselves as citizens of one common fatherland.
(Shoghi Effendi, The Promised Day is Come, p. 121)

 

[ppp]

The fifth candle is the unity of nations -- a unity which, in this century, will be securely established, causing all the peoples of the world to regard themselves as citizens of one common fatherland.
(Shoghi Effendi, The Promised Day is Come, p. 121)

Uhg. Fatherland is so tainted with sexism and Nazis.
How about...The unity of persons, irrespective of nations, as devoted signatories to the treaty of tolerance and universal suffrage.

 

[We Never Know]

So somone with some knowledge of Persian told you a fib and you believed it in my view.

It is a big deal to the critical thinker, because the critical thinker requires demonstration of your God's unlimited power and knowledge before they will accept it's All-powerful and All-knowing nature, not excuses for why God won't demonstrate it in my view..

From what I understand when it comes to a god, the bible says one can choose to believe or not. So why should a god demonstrate anything to anyone unless it was trying to "make" people believe, which then takes away "choose to believe"?

 

[ppp]

From what I understand when it comes to a god, the bible says one can choose to believe or not. So why should a god demonstrate anything to anyone unless it was trying to "make" people believe, which then takes away "choose to believe"?

When I walk into a room, do I take away the choice of the people in that room to choose to believe that I exist?

 

[We Never Know]

When I walk into a room, do I take away the choice of the people in that room to choose to believe that I exist?

Apples to oranges.You are normal, not a god, nothing.special. Most won't care if you do exist unless its friends and family.

 

[ppp]

You are normal, not a god, nothing.special. Most won't care if you do exist unless its friends and family.

I am not suggesting that I am special. The question is do I take away their choice to believe that I exist?

 

[danieldemol]

From what I understand when it comes to a god, the bible says one can choose to believe or not. So why should a god demonstrate anything to anyone unless it was trying to "make" people believe, which then takes away "choose to believe"?

So long as you understand that to a critical thinker, the lack of evidence for an All-powerful All-knowing God makes it just as logical to choose to believe in God as it does to choose to believe in unicorns/pixies/etc in my view.

 

[We Never Know]

I am not suggesting that I am special. The question is do I take away their choice to believe that I exist?

If some didn't believe you did exist and you walked in, then yes you took away their choice to not believe you exist.

 

[We Never Know]

So long as you understand that to a critical thinker, the lack of evidence for an All-powerful All-knowing God makes it just as logical to choose to believe in God as it does to choose to believe in unicorns/pixies/etc in my view.

This critical thinker crap is BS!

Can you show and or prove no critical thinker believes in a god? If not its just a cop out and a way of someone trying to build themself up to others lol.

 

[ppp]

If some didn't believe you did exist and you walked in, then yes you took away their choice to note believe you exist.

I assume that even so, that I have not removed their free will? If my assumption is true, what would be the functional difference if a god walked in and said, Hey?

 

[danieldemol]

If some didn't believe you did exist and you walked in, then yes you took away their choice to note believe you exist.

Not true, some people believe in Solipsism and would not believe you exist because they don't believe the input of the senses corresponds to any objective reality, so God could still walk in and there are people who would choose not to believe.

This critical thinker crap is BS!

Can you show and or prove no critical thinker believes in a god? If not its just a cop out and a way of someone trying to build themself up to others lol.

Critical thinkers may believe in God so long as they don't apply critical thought processes to their belief in God, I myself am a perfect example of that. Why would I want to build up someone else over myself?

 

[Trailblazer]

Will they ever learn that free will is a lame excuse; not a get out of jail free card?

Will atheists ever learn that an infallible God needs no excuses since He cannot make any mistakes?
Will atheists ever learn that All-Powerful doesn't mean God will do everything they expect Him to do?
Will atheists ever learn that All-knowing means that God knows more than they know?

 

[ppp]

This critical thinker crap is BS!

Can you show and or prove no critical thinker believes in a god? If not its just a cop out and a way of someone trying to build themself up to others lol.

Doesn't the lack of sound arguments supporting the existence of a god constitute supporting evidence?

 

[Trailblazer]

The fifth candle is the unity of nations -- a unity which, in this century, will be securely established, causing all the peoples of the world to regard themselves as citizens of one common fatherland.
(Shoghi Effendi, The Promised Day is Come, p. 121)

Neither Abdu'l-Baha nor Shoghi Effendi are infallible.

 

[danieldemol]

Will atheists ever learn that an infallible God needs no excuses since He cannot make any mistakes?

Allowing the guardian who is allegedly infallible with respect to Baha'i teachings to misinterpret the words of Abdul-Baha is a mistake in my view. Therefore your God is demonstrably *not* infallible.

 

[Trailblazer]

Can you show and or prove no critical thinker believes in a god? If not its just a cop out and a way of someone trying to build themself up to others lol.

That is exactly what it is all about. I am too smart to believe in God and you are stupid because you believe in God.