Where did Jesus go?

[John Martin]

Believers in Jesus say he will come again. Where did he go and why?

Why did he leave? Where did he go? What was he doing for 2000 years?

Where does a piece of ice floating on the water go,when it melts? God is the water and Jesus Christ is ice.
Why,did he leave? We all have to leave our names and forms,whether we want or nor, where we die a natural death or unnatural death, and go to the place from where we come. If human beings are in need of external help divnie life might manifest again in order to show the ultimate destiny of every human being.

 

[idav]

What's interesting is the nations that have tried to destroy it were overreacting, of course, but more righteous than those who believe the lies in it. I do not believe the writers lied. I think the translators did. Very much so.

There is not enough from the original source for the translators to even have a chance. When you have nothing but fragments left to work with that'swhat happens so "lies" as you put it are inevitable.

 

[post-pone]

• I will talk about it in light of islam.

• Jesus is prophet not god.

Read luke 13:31 he confirm his prophecy


• Jesus went to israel ONLY as prophet.

Matthew 15:24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of israel


• Then they tried to killed him as they do every time?

Read matthew 27

Mark 15

Luke 13:31

• Did israel killed prophets?

They killed Pabtista john and served his head on plate

Matthew 14:8 Prompted by her mother, she said, "Give me here on a ...


• According to judaism crucify is cursed.

Deuteronomy 21:23

" because anyone who is hung on a pole is under God's curse"

• Prophet should not be cursed.

So Allah saved jesus peace be upon him.

Psalm 91 talking about conspiracy of killing jesus
But Allah will save him and angel will take him to heaven

Psalm 91

"10*There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.

11*For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

12*They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone."

So Allah/creator saved him and he took him to the heaven
Because prophet should not be cursed.

• • We continue to read hebrew 5 and we found there is
Promise to save jesus from being killed /crucify.

Hebrew 5

, Jesus[a] offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence. 8*

• Jesus return :

Jesus will return as Major sign of judgment day :


But, Currently we are living Minor sign of judgment day :

Most of them happened and left couple of them

One of minor signs of judgment day is drying euphoria.

Now eupharate in iraq start drying

Make Google search,



• Major signs start with coming Anti-christ

After forty days of his coming jesus will return

Who is anti-christ?

Description :

Islamic hadith say he is blind one eye and 70 000 of jews
Will follow him from isfahan

• Masonic jews are waiting for Lucifer and they worship devil/satan


Freemasonry Proven To Worship Lucifer
bibliotecapleyades.../sociopol_ ...‏
It was proven from Masonic books that Masons worship both Lucifer and Satan. They serve both the "good" Lucifer and*...


• Lucifer is Anti _christ

Lucifer symbol is one eye ( which is description of anti christ)
Even it was printed in US dollar

they refer it as Letter G " which mean eye of god


God/creator is not blind.

 

[outhouse]

• I will talk about it in light of islam.

.

WHY?


It is not historical in this context, and carries no credibility dealing with history.

 

[outhouse]

You have an interest in this, why not get really educated? [not that I am]



With understanding how these books were written, when, and why, everything becomes much more clear.


So now I have to ask, which translators?? the unknown authors? the translation to English from Koine Greek?

OP answer please.

 

[savagewind]

OP answer please.

I think I answered. The errors were introduced by the wolves who entered into the flock directly after Paul, but how would I know? I think errors have been present since nearly the beginning. On the other hand it might be a mass conspiracy and fairly new. Haha

Though I do not give credence to conspiracy theories as I know for sure enough people able to carry it out can't agree. Conspiracies need agreement. Not possible I say.

 

[outhouse]

I think I answered. The errors were introduced by the wolves who entered into the flock directly after Paul, but how would I know? I think errors have been present since nearly the beginning. On the other hand it might be a mass conspiracy and fairly new. Haha

Though I do not give credence to conspiracy theories as I know for sure enough people able to carry it out can't agree. Conspiracies need agreement. Not possible I say.

Even if you are correct, im not sure who the wolves are?

The gospel authors?

Why give Paul a free ride?

And what makes Paul and the communities that wrote his epistles different from the unknown gospel authors????

 

[outhouse]

entered into the flock .

I think your in error here.

There was no one flock in Pauls time.

The last time there was one flock was in Galilee.

After Jesus death the movement failed in Galilean Judaism. In the Hellenistic communities, there were many different flocks, so many so it can only be described as diverse, not othodox.

 

[savagewind]

Even if you are correct, im not sure who the wolves are?

The gospel authors?

Why give Paul a free ride?

And what makes Paul and the communities that wrote his epistles different from the unknown gospel authors????

NOT the authors. AFTER them. Everyone is misunderstood. The misunderstanding which are weeds were propagated sometime but I don't know when.* Nobody fixed them yet.

I must learn the Greek the Bible was written in. Then I have to get permission to read the oldest scripts. It's not going to happen.

 

[steeltoes]

Unsubstantiated? Like the historicity of Jesus for example? Gotta love the irony there.

That lovable irony is lost on those that claim to be in the "know." We have religious texts and believers that followed believing what they read in their NT, end of story. We have the texts so there needn't be a Jesus as the founder of Christianity.

 

[outhouse]

I don't know when.

Maybe you could provide examples of what your talking about so I can help.


Are you talking about amn English translation or just a literal one?


I do agree people take all of the books out of context. They were written not for the ages, but for people living in a specific time, and much of the ORIGINAL context of how these were looked at is and will be lost forever.


Now with a little education as I told you earlier, thing sbecome much more clear and you can fill in the proper context little by little, or remain ignorant.


I can help. Try this. It will really help you.

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...-online-resource-introduction-nt-history.html

 

[savagewind]

Maybe you could provide examples of what your talking about so I can help.


Are you talking about amn English translation or just a literal one?


I do agree people take all of the books out of context. They were written not for the ages, but for people living in a specific time, and much of the ORIGINAL context of how these were looked at is and will be lost forever.


Now with a little education as I told you earlier, thing sbecome much more clear and you can fill in the proper context little by little, or remain ignorant.


I can help. Try this. It will really help you.

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...-online-resource-introduction-nt-history.html

Thank you. Jesus didn't say "take care you are not misled". What Bible at Yale says "take care you do not mislead"?

Jesus didn't say "I never knew you get away from me you workers of lawlessness". What Bible says "me you never knew, away from me you were"?

Paul didn't say "love is not provoked". What Bible says "love does not provoke"?

 

[savagewind]

Even if everyone else is right and I am wrong Jesus would not have said "get away from me" He would have said "get away from my sheep and stay away please". He would have said please.

 

[outhouse]

Even if everyone else is right and I am wrong Jesus would not have said "get away from me" He would have said "get away from my sheep and stay away please". He would have said please.

Its not about right or wrong.

What do you know of the real Jesus ?


What do you know about the Galilean movement when he was alive?


What do you know about John the Baptist and what he taught Jesus?


How do you know what John taught and what Jesus taught?


The bible is not a simple reflection of jesus and his teachings alone, it is a reflection of Hellenist far removed from the real man and real movement Jesus started.

 

[savagewind]

Its not about right or wrong.
What do you know of the real Jesus ?
What do you know about the Galilean movement when he was alive?
What do you know about John the Baptist and what he taught Jesus?
How do you know what John taught and what Jesus taught?
The bible is not a simple reflection of jesus and his teachings alone, it is a reflection of Hellenist far removed from the real man and real movement Jesus started.

OK.

How do I know better than Yale? I am not better or smarter than them. I am not more learned than them.

Jesus said Matthew 11:28 "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

How can Jesus have said "you must keep watch not to be misled" AND ALSO you will find rest with me?

To keep on the watch is the OPPOSITE of rest.

 

[outhouse]

Jesus said

How can Jesus have said

What do you know of the real Jesus ?
What do you know about the Galilean movement when he was alive?
What do you know about John the Baptist and what he taught Jesus?
How do you know what John taught and what Jesus taught?

 

[Fingy]

I believe we dont know what happened.

But he was put on a cross, this is certain, as is his death on the cross. Romans were masters of butchering people in inhumane ways.

The scholarly consensus is that he died on the cross. Typical for peasants, was that they were left on the cross for dogs and vultures. If a extra cross was needed, they would have thrown the body in a pit.

It is thought by scholars that his burial story is just that.

Reality was that Jesus was fighting the Hellenistic corruption in the temple, I find it funny that people believe a rich hellenist would run to his aid in death and provide his family tomb for a Galilean peasant teacher who was a known trouble maker. Anyone being near him or even acting as a friend would have been seen as an accomplis and would have risked being labeled a rebel themselves.

That explains why all the gospels make the REAL disciples all look to be cowards.


The unknown authors were all far removed from the actual events and are creating a mythological story that build divinity to equals the Emperors divinity, so they could make the movement more apealing to those already worshipping the Emperor. my opinion.

This new movement was for gentiles, not Jews, and thus, it is a Hellenistic retelling of a Jewish event, by people very skilled in rhetoric.

And if you dont understand how rhetoric was used during this period, your eyes are closed to the real history involved in these events.

I believe you are right on the money Outhouse. I suspect that the origin of the Joseph of Arimathea story is found in Isaiah 53:9. It is contained in Isaiah's fourth suffering servant song (the servant is Israel, not a man). It reads "They made his grave with the wicked and his tomb with the rich, although he had done no violence and there was no deceit in his mouth".

This is just me speculating but I believe that Mark (or his source) was actively searching out OT messianic proof texts to build a compelling narrative which was grounded in the OT. In Isaiah 53:9 he found some. Jesus is indeed given "a grave with the wicked", that is the robbers or lestai he is crucified with on golgotha. His "tomb with the rich" was provided by Joseph of Arimathea, a rich member of the Sanhedrin (note that Matthew 27:57 calls him a "disciple of Jesus" no less!) My point is that the gospel authors created this Joseph of Arimathea to fulfill Isaiah 53:9's requirements of the suffering servant. Also, Jesus is depicted as passive and non violent as Isaiah requires of him. The Jospeh of Arimathea story can be dismissed because Jesus was the leader of the "poor" or ebionite movement and had a loathing of the wealthy people and it is unlikely that a hated rich man (remember the camel, eye of a needle saying) would either assist a messianic zealot assaulting the temple or offer to bury him after his Crucifixion by the Romans for sedition in his own rock cut tomb! Sorry, it smells like a fiction to me. It is a good story but it runs into numerous historical stumbling blocks.

 

[savagewind]

What do you know of the real Jesus ?
What do you know about the Galilean movement when he was alive?
What do you know about John the Baptist and what he taught Jesus?
How do you know what John taught and what Jesus taught?

I don't know. I KNOW Jesus could not have said BOTH those things unless of course....

I read somewhere that in Roman days a sentry on duty who falls asleep can be executed for it. True or false?

 

[savagewind]

I believe you are right on the money Outhouse. I suspect that the origin of the Joseph of Arimathea story is found in Isaiah 53:9. It is contained in Isaiah's fourth suffering servant song (the servant is Israel, not a man). It reads "They made his grave with the wicked and his tomb with the rich, although he had done no violence and there was no deceit in his mouth".

This is just me speculating but I believe that Mark (or his source) was actively searching out OT messianic proof texts to build a compelling narrative which was grounded in the OT. In Isaiah 53:9 he found some. Jesus is indeed given "a grave with the wicked", that is the robbers or lestai he is crucified with on golgotha. His "tomb with the rich" was provided by Joseph of Arimathea, a rich member of the Sanhedrin (note that Matthew 27:57 calls him a "disciple of Jesus" no less!) My point is that the gospel authors created this Joseph of Arimathea to fulfill Isaiah 53:9's requirements of the suffering servant. Also, Jesus is also depicted as passive and non violent as Isaiah requires of him. The Jospeh of Arimathea story can be dismissed because Jesus was the leader of the "poor" or ebionite movement and had a loathing of the wealthy people.

Jesus loathed wealthy people. Uh.....ok.

 

[savagewind]

What do I know of the real Jesus? Is there a real Jesus? Let's say there is and what we know about him is written. God is love and Jesus reflects God. Love would not put friends on constant duty to beware.