Where does the Quran say Muhammad is the last Messenger of God?

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Why is the Bab twelve successor but not Baha'allah 13th which would contradict the Prophet (s) having twelve successor. You see, this proves, the concept of twelve Successors with the Mahdi as the final and twelfth leaves no more for more Revelations or Prophets, because revelations need leaders from God coupled with them.

Do you not see how this concept of twelve successors with Mahdi as one of them, leaves no room for Anbiya after? The Mahdi will rule the earth by Quran and Sunnah of the Nabi (s).

If it was really a new book as opposed to revival of Quran, it would take a whole new test and covenant with twelve Successors all over again. But the founder of those twelve successors is not the twelfth successor of a founder.

Every Captain from God has twelve Captains associated with him. For example, Imam Reda (a), his predecessors including Mohammad (s) and his successors including the Mahdi (a) makes twelve.

Mohammad (s) is reported to have said "There is no Nabi sent or Messenger except God raised with him Twelve Captains." and said his twelve Captains and named them including the Mahdi (a).

 

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as I asked before, which verse in Quran says that Qaim will be born after the 11th and have an occultation?

There are many. But if you can't even accept hadiths saying that, how will you ever accept Quran saying it?

 

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Yes, but they also alluded to the story of Birth of Jesus saying that God can change what He said. And if that happened you must not deny.

So what's the difference if Quran says it, you can say same thing, God changed his mind.

 

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I can see you saying, yes for every people there is a Guide but God can change his mind. Yes, there was Twelve in Mohammad's (s) covenant at Ghadeer by Quran, but God can change his mind.

Yes, there were twelve luminaries to be turned to for enlighted, decided by God the day he created the universe for Mohammad (S) to succeed him and represent him, and no one else, per Quran, but you know, God changed his mind.

Etc...

What's the point of God telling us and Ahlulbayt (a) telling us these things, and he just changes his mind....

 

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There are many. But if you can't even accept hadiths saying that, how will you ever accept Quran saying it?

We don't know how accurate Hadithes are.
So, we need to compare with Quran. If it is in agreement, we accept it. If it does not agree, we are not supposed to accept it.
Isn't this true? Didn't Muhammad and Sadiq (a.s.) said that, we need to test Hadith against Quran?

 

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So what's the difference if Quran says it, you can say same thing, God changed his mind.

No, If you show it in the Quran, we are supposed to accept it. If it is not in the Quran, we are not supposed to accept it.

 

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No, If you show it in the Quran, we are supposed to accept it. If it is not in the Quran, we are not supposed to accept it.

This is true, but most Muslims can't even see Ali (a) and Imams (a) in Quran. So... it depends on sincere we are to see all clarification in Quran.

 

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@InvestigateTruth

I can see you saying, yes for every people there is a Guide but God can change his mind. Yes, there was Twelve in Mohammad's (s) covenant at Ghadeer by Quran, but God can change his mind.

Yes, there were twelve luminaries to be turned to for enlighted, decided by God the day he created the universe for Mohammad (S) to succeed him and represent him, and no one else, per Quran, but you know, God changed his mind.

Etc...

What's the point of God telling us and Ahlulbayt (a) telling us these things, and he just changes his mind....

Good questions.

My view is, prophecies about future Imams, or Messengers have never been explicit in Holy Books.
No body will say, Muhammad is explicit prophecies in the Bible.
Likewise the Jews will not agree that, Jesus fit the Messiah described in Torah.
Imam Ali, Hussein, and the rest are not explicitly mentioned in the Quran, by name or even an explicit verse. If they were, there was no disagreement.

If we accept that, the Quran or Bible were from God, we have to believe that, God knew the future well, but there is a reason He did not make it explicit.
It is because, with His verses He guides many, and misguided many.
So, in reality He does not change anything. He knows the future, from beginning.
But we must be able to read and think about the verses without fanatical mind, to find the truth in the Book.

 

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No body will say, Muhammad is explicit prophecies in the Bible.

He is actually very explicit in the Gospels. This is why they had to make up trinity, to make it ambiguous. But you have a fair point Quran could be more explicit in naming Imams. I will make a new thread showing the Mahdi is the 12th Successor of Mohammad (S) per Quran,

 

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If they were, there was no disagreement.

There would be disagreement, but it would be in many versions of Quran if it is safeguarded. We would be disputing which Quran is safeguarded.

 

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He is actually very explicit in the Gospels. This is why they had to make up trinity, to make it ambiguous. But you have a fair point Quran could be more explicit in naming Imams. I will make a new thread showing the Mahdi is the 12th Successor of Mohammad (S) per Quran,

I don't know about that.
There is no verse in Quran saying that anything was added or removed from the Gosple. But the Trinity is a misinterpretation of Gospel.

It is a good idea to make a thread about Mahdi, and if He is the 12th Successor, and if he is son of Imam Askari.

 

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I don't know about that.
There is no verse in Quran saying that anything was added or removed from the Gosple. But the Trinity is a misinterpretation of Gospel.

It is a good idea to make a thread about Mahdi, and if He is the 12th Successor, and if he is son of Imam Askari.

I made the thread.

 

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Apparently, it is Islam that has failed, and the Islamist continue to kill each other and everyone else. As for the Hadiths, the background story of the supposed Mohammad, they were written 200 years after the supposed story played out, by mostly Persians from the area of present-day Baghdad, not the supposed desolate great trading center of western Arabia, called Mecca, which supposedly Abraham and Solomon lived. These false narratives were taken from other parts, such a Jerusalem, with its holy of holies, a cubed shaped building, being transformed into the Kabba. As for "hate", truth is not "hate" based, and the father of lies, is Satan. As for the Quran, it has more than 100 different versions, all crafted by men, with over 90,000 discrepancies, despite a copy supposedly kept in heaven. You can't produce a complete copy of the Quran prior to the 8th century, although a copy of the new improved version had been supposedly sent to most of the provinces. You can blame Khan, but that doesn't play out. If you should "think with an open mind", and refute Islam, the Quran will have your brothers cut off your head.

Omg that's all you people think about...as I say, "Knowledge is ignorance to the people of ignorance, just as ignorance is ignorance to the people of knowledge.”

Instead of finding the truth yourself, instead of learning about it from someone who knows and NOT THE ENEMIES OF ISLAM, maybe then YOU could be open minded about it yourself. You don't learn something from people who hate except more hate.

 

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Two things, (1) per Islam there is Twelve Successors, so how does the twelfth then become a Nabi? (2) Why didn't say say "no Nabi after me until the Mahdi"?

This is again, shia' version and we don't believe this.

We don't consider the Mahdi as a prophet or messenger but someone who will filfill his mission when the time comes.

 

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Because the 12th one is not said in Hadithes to be a successor of Muhammad. This is a misunderstanding of Muslims. He is a new Messenger with a new revelation similar to how Jesus was a new Messenger with a new Revelation.
He comes with a New Book and New Law.

In Hadithes it is said God will give more than all He has given to other Messenger to, the Qaim. It is said Qaim has no obligation and does not owe fealty to anyone, meaning, He is an independent Messenger, even more than Other Messengers and Prophets.

According to Allah in the Quran, there is no more to come. No more messengers and no more prophets. But Mohammad pbuh DID SAY that there will be about 27 false fakers and liars and 4 will be women. So, if you really believe anything near to the Quran or ahadith, start keeping the Quran as a guide and not outside it. Allah says he brought HIS QURAN AND HIS SUNNAH....no other information professing to be "inspired" or brought will be accepted in Islam. It will be rejected.

 

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Allah did not say in the Quran, that after Muhammad there shall never come another Messenger or Allah will not reveal another Book.


Yes, Allah in the Quran says, they can find the Prophet described in their Book:

"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful." 7:157

Now, can you show me where in the Torah and Gospel Muhammad is found?




Correct. But He did not say, No Messengers shall come forever. He could be talking about immediate successors.

Narrated S'ad: Allah's Apostle set out for Tabuk. appointing 'Ali as his deputy (in Medina). 'Ali said, "Do you want to leave me with the children and women?" The Prophet said, "Will you not be pleased that you will be to me like Aaron to Moses? “BUT THERE WILL BE NO PROPHET AFTER ME” [Volume 5, Book 59, Number 700: (Sahih Bukhari)]

According to this Hadith, Muhammad was speaking about an immediate successor. Because Aaron and other Bani-israel prophets were successors of Moses. Muhammad says, there is no Prophet after me, in a sense that until the next Revelation, no immediate Prophet in Islam. Because in Islam, the leaders were Khalifs and Imams, not Prophets.


How can you be certain if Muhammad means no Messenges for ever, or means no Prophets immediately after Him?

Verse 7:35 says, there shall come to you Messengers.

It is amazing after I give you Quranic detail of where Allah says he PERFECTED the religion AND where he said no more will come after and ahadith where Mohammad pbuh said he was the last of them, that you will not see or refuse to see.

Being completed means nothing will be added or deleted...HE PERFECTED IT...AND IN THAT PERFECTION, nothing can be taken from it or added.

You now deny the aya and the ahadith that I gave you and now you bring a beautiful prominent scholar of ahadith, Al Bukhari, and you TRY to give your own exegesis on a hadith that shows you do not understand the hadith even.

This is a shame.

In Islam, Allah talks to his messengers, and he shows us how in the Quran. He showed us the prophesied version and he showed us the revelation direct to Mohammad pbuh. In Islam, It's in the Quran and IF ALLAH SAYS IT, IT'S 100% FACT AND TRUE.

 

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This from Mikyal al-Makarim Fi Fawa'id al-Du'a Li'l Qai’m vol. 1 | Al-Islam.org


There are innumerable traditional reports related through Shia and Sunni channels that confirm this matter: they can be seen the books of Kafi, Ghaibat Nomani, Kamaluddin, Ghayat al-Maraam, Tafseer Burhan, Biharul Anwar and Manaqib etc. We present herewith some of them from Tafseer Burhan without their chains of narrators:

It is narrated from Jabir Ibne Abdullah Ansari that he said:

When the Almighty Allah revealed the following verse on His Prophet:

“O ye who believe! Obey Allah and obey the messenger and those possessing authority among you.”

I said, ‘O Messenger of Allah! We know Allah and His Messenger. But who are the possessors of authority whose obedience Allah has accompanied with your obedience?’ He (S) explained, “They are my caliphs, O Jabir, and the Imams of the Muslims after me. The first of them is Ali Ibn Abi Talib (as), then Hasan (as) and Husain (as), then Ali Ibn Husain (as), then Muhammad Ibn Ali (as) the one who is famous as al-Baqir in the Old Testament. Soon, you will meet him, O Jabir, so when you face him, convey my salutation to him.

He will be followed by Sadiq, Ja’far Ibn Muhammad, then Moosa Ibn Ja’far, then Ali Ibn Moosa, then Muhammad Ibn Ali, then Ali Ibn Muhammad, then al-Hasan Ibn Ali, then the one who will be my namesake and bear my patronymic, the proof of Allah in His earth and His remainder among His servants, the son of Hasan Ibn Ali. He (aj) is the one at whose hands Allah, High be His remembrance, will open the east of the earth and its west. He (aj) is the one who will be concealed from his Shias and his friends, an occultation in which none will be steadfast on the belief of his Imamate except the one whose heart has been tested by Allah for faith.”

Jabir says that he asked, ‘O Messenger of Allah (S)! Will the Shias benefit from him during the occultation?’ He (S) replied, “Yes, by the One Who sent me with Prophethood! Surely they will benefit with his light and gain from his mastership in his occultation like people derive benefit from the sun when the clouds hide it. O Jabir! This is from the hidden secrets of Allah and the treasures of His knowledge, so hide it except from the ones worthy of it."

There was no shia during the time of Mohammad pbuh.

 

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You don't believe in the Quran?

“This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion” [al-Maa’idah 5:3]

“And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice” [al-An‘aam 6:115]

Stop that! You are saying that you and only you are qualified to interpret the Qur'an.

 

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As a Muslim, I urge you to think with an open mind. Look into the Quran with sincerity and ask Allah to guide you to truth.

How about you allowing me to look into myself and to Allah and not through your eyes as in the previous post to this?

 

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ALLAH SAYS IT IN THE QURAN. If Allah says it in the Quran, we as Muslims KNOW IT TO BE TRUE.

That is what you believe the Qur'an says. How about an open mind yourself?