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Where does the Quran say Muhammad is the last Messenger of God?

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I still don't understand a lot about shi'sm but I can understand that if Allah wishes for something to happen it will happen and the past happened :)

We are not to get upset and beat ourselves over it and be displeased with the outcome and point fingers and blame. Just not good to do :)

Most people don't know the tears of Yaqoub (a) for Yusuf (a) was not that Yaqoub (a) feared for Yusuf (a), he feared for people going to hell for their hate of Yusuf (a) and that guidance would not ensue if people reject him.

God made him higher in knowledge and exalted in him in his state of sorrow.

He understood if Yusuf (a) is oppressed, then Satanic forces will win. This was the secret of his tears, and it reformed the brothers of Yusuf (a) to come back to Yusuf (a) eventually.

Yaqoub (A) understood their hate towards Yusuf (a) was hate towards God and then all good was in coming back to Yusuf (a) for his sons.

We are hoping the tears for Hussain (A) bring the world back to the Mahdi (a) and that guidance is achieved through them.

Hussain (a) is exalted, has abundant blessings, has Allah (swt), he don't need our tears for just him. But understand Hussain's (a) heart and him trying to steer mankind to the straight path, and you will understand the sorrow of Yaqoub (a) for Yusuf (a) and our tears as well.
 

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But the past makes us know where we are heading towards in terms of God's warnings. This is why Bani-Israel is rehearsed their past, so they know where they went wrong and so that Muslims would know how to avoid where they went wrong. We didn't avoid his warnings and so the warnings towards the Mahdi are severe now. If people oppress believers, they will force God's hands.


They didn't go wrong though :) Ali voted himself for the next khalif. No one protested, no one got angry, no one hurt each other, no one killed each everyone was happy :)
 

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They didn't go wrong though :) Ali voted himself for the next khalif. No one protested, no one got angry, no one hurt each other, no one killed each everyone was happy :)

If we say this regarding Ali (a), and forget that he was fought during his rule. What about Hassan (a)? What about Hussain (a)?
 

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Most people don't know the tears of Yaqoub (a) for Yusuf (a) was not that Yaqoub (a) feared for Yusuf (a), he feared for people going to hell for their hate of Yusuf (a) and that guidance would not ensue if people reject him.

God made him higher in knowledge and exalted in him in his state of sorrow.

He understood if Yusuf (a) is oppressed, then Satanic forces will win. This was the secret of his tears, and it reformed the brothers of Yusuf (a) to come back to Yusuf (a) eventually.

Yaqoub (A) understood their hate towards Yusuf (a) was hate towards God and then all good was in coming back to Yusuf (a) for his sons.

We are hoping the tears for Hussain (A) bring the world back to the Mahdi (a) and that guidance is achieved through them.

Hussain (a) is exalted, has abundant blessings, has Allah (swt), he don't need our tears for just him. But understand Hussain's (a) heart and him trying to steer mankind to the straight path, and you will understand the sorrow of Yaqoub (a) for Yusuf (a) and our tears as well.


May Allah be please with al hasan and al husayn the grandsons of the prophet pbuh ameen.

They as many other of the sahab and tabi'een and followers of all, they played an important role in making Islam what it is today.

I still don't understand why people blame still from the Shi'a side. It isn't right especially if there were no such thing during the time of Mohammad nor directly after. Just doesn't make sense they make up their own stuff and try to use the Quran to show how it should have been when the past was told correctly in the Quran. It's just really confusing
 

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May Allah be please with al hasan and al husayn the grandsons of the prophet pbuh ameen.

They as many other of the sahab and tabi'een and followers of all, they played an important role in making Islam what it is today.

I still don't understand why people blame still from the Shi'a side. It isn't right especially if there were no such thing during the time of Mohammad nor directly after. Just doesn't make sense they make up their own stuff and try to use the Quran to show how it should have been when the past was told correctly in the Quran. It's just really confusing

Islam is mixed with falsehood and truth as is. The original Islam no one will know till the Mahdi (a) comes back.

If Ahlulbayt (a) was accepted the whole world would be under just rule of God and his chosen.

Social justice was the heart of original Islam of Mohammad (s). When Hussain (a) was killed, that died. And hasn't been yet revived.
 

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If we say this regarding Ali (a), and forget that he was fought during his rule. What about Hassan (a)? What about Hussain (a)?


WE never say anything bad about the family of Mohammad pbuh. Yes, situations happened that actually were predicted but we do not get displeased with Allah for letting it happen. We don't put the blame. It's actually haram to start pointing fingers etc.
 

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WE never say anything bad about the family of Mohammad pbuh. Yes, situations happened that actually were predicted but we do not get displeased with Allah for letting it happen. We don't put the blame. It's actually haram to start pointing fingers etc.

We aren't displeased with God, we are displeased with the disbelief of people with God's signs and disobeying God.
 

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Islam is mixed with falsehood and truth as is. The original Islam no one will know till the Mahdi (a) comes back.

If Ahlulbayt (a) was accepted the whole world would be under just rule of God and his chosen.

Social justice was the heart of original Islam of Mohammad (s). When Hussain (a) was killed, that died. And hasn't been yet revived.

That is wrong to say. The mehdi will fulfill his mission but he isn't a messenger of Allah. Allah said that he completed the religion so if he completed it, why wouldn't we know about it. Are you saying that the shi'ee will seek revenge?

Alhusayn may Allah be please with him is a martyre in Islam. What a glorious gift Allah gave to him. So why are the shi'ee trying hard to not understand that it is what Allah wanted and decreed? They say he was not supposed to do it that way?
 

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We aren't displeased with God, we are displeased with the disbelief of people with God's signs and disobeying God.

Do the shi'ee hit themselves over n over n over n over for al hasan and alhusayn?
 

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Islam is mixed with falsehood and truth as is. The original Islam no one will know till the Mahdi (a) comes back.

If Ahlulbayt (a) was accepted the whole world would be under just rule of God and his chosen.

Social justice was the heart of original Islam of Mohammad (s). When Hussain (a) was killed, that died. And hasn't been yet revived.

How can you say Islam is mixed with falsehood when Allah completed it?
 

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How can you say Islam is mixed with falsehood when Allah completed it?

He completed it and perfected his favor, we were ungrateful by breaking of the Mastership of those who he appointed on that day. This how Islam became mixed with falsehood despite God original perfecting his favor.

However, God will complete his light and perfect it through the Mahdi (a).
 

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Do the shi'ee hit themselves over n over n over n over for al hasan and alhusayn?

Hit is an over statement. More like ritual beating sound, for participating. Not sure about this myself, I don't do it personally.
 

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He completed it and perfected his favor, we were ungrateful by breaking of the Mastership of those who he appointed on that day. This how Islam became mixed with falsehood despite God original perfecting his favor.

However, God will complete his light and perfect it through the Mahdi (a).

Who was ungrateful?
 

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That is wrong to say. The mehdi will fulfill his mission but he isn't a messenger of Allah. Allah said that he completed the religion so if he completed it, why wouldn't we know about it. Are you saying that the shi'ee will seek revenge?

Alhusayn may Allah be please with him is a martyre in Islam. What a glorious gift Allah gave to him. So why are the shi'ee trying hard to not understand that it is what Allah wanted and decreed? They say he was not supposed to do it that way?

Gog and Magog have always corrupted religion no matter what time they are in, and with Mohammad (S), this didn't stop. Those who would kill Imam Hussain (a) all over again, when the Mahdi (a) appears, they will perish. We can't avenge the past, but we can avenge those who continue to follow oppressors and put an end to their ways.

As for God and cities, he threatens their destructions, but this is not a threat that has to occur. It can be avoided, if people submit to God through his last chosen one (the Mahdi (a)).
 

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Who was ungrateful?
The Muslims who denied God's favors, they accept such favors in the past, but deny that God favored them with chosen kings and leaders like he did with other nations.
 

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Hit is an over statement. More like ritual beating sound, for participating. Not sure about this myself, I don't do it personally.
But it is showing their displeasure at Allah. So they beat themselves. This is something Mohammad pbuh would never approve of.
 

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But it is showing their displeasure at Allah. So they beat themselves. This is something Mohammad pbuh would never approve of.
It's not showing displeasure at Allah (swt). Rituals in grieving for Imam Hussain (A) and Ahlulbayt (A) in general was emphasized by Ahlulbayt (A) themselves. We have hadiths that it's praiseworthy to do this in gatherings. As for beating, I don't do it myself. But it's just a rhythmic thing.
 

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Gog and Magog have always corrupted religion no matter what time they are in, and with Mohammad (S), this didn't stop. Those who would kill Imam Hussain (a) all over again, when the Mahdi (a) appears, they will perish. We can't avenge the past, but we can avenge those who continue to follow oppressors and put an end to their ways.

As for God and cities, he threatens their destructions, but this is not a threat that has to occur. It can be avoided, if people submit to God through his last chosen one (the Mahdi (a)).


What do you mean those who would kill al Hussayn all over again? He's died. Mahdi will arise when oppression will fill the earth. He will just be a honest, truthful person from the family of Mohammad pbuh. He will not be praising himself, as a matter of fact, in ahadith he tries to run away. He will be the one who will be guiding through truth and then Eesa on him peace, will descend and pray behind the Mahdi :)
 

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The Muslims who denied God's favors, they accept such favors in the past, but deny that God favored them with chosen kings and leaders like he did with other nations.

So, why denounce what Allah has already ordained from past? Why beat themself up over something Allah meant to happen?
 

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So, why denounce what Allah has already ordained from past? Why beat themself up over something Allah meant to happen?

It was a conditional prophecy, only destined to happen, if nation walks on tracks of warnings and doesn't avoid them. The catastrophe and events if this happens, are very bad. And what will happen with the Mahdi (a), again we don't know. If we don't change tracks, it might be very bad for the world and most cities destroyed.

We want the world to know what happened to Ahlulbayt (A) because the Mahdi (a) is from Ahlubayt. The world need to come to Ahlulbayt (a) and Mahdi (a) cause is not separated from them.
 
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