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Where does the Quran say Muhammad is the last Messenger of God?
- Thread starter loverofhumanity
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MyM
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Sorry, I don't really take your words with a grain of salt lol You just love to TRY and intimidate don't you lol aint happenin
Their promised "messiah" is most likely the anti-christ lol
You continue to put things out there that are not in Islam. Just wait, your turn will come.
It's as if you know exactly everything lol Allah will take care of his last message to mankind. He said so himself. Who are you to say he can't. I trust my Creator.
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MyM
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lol again, where in the world do you ... so ridiculous
let me teach you a little about Islam.
Islam isnt ISIS. Islam means to submit to the only one worthy of worship and to have no other partners associated unto Him. It means submission to the only one worthy. It's as if we worship Him although we don't see him we know he sees us. IN EVERYTHING.
If you think that because people don't believe we are to cut their heads, you are as ignorant as ...well can't compare ignorance with ignorance suffice it to say. You keep on continuing to bash Muslims, degrade Islam, humiliate the Quran and Mohammad pbuh. I am not worried in the least of what will happen to you. Allah is in full control and he will deal with you.
I will not give you the pleasure of my day in giving you what I know about my rights as a Muslim, You don't deserve it. Just go away and stop pretending like you know Islam and Muslims.
MyM
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When things are already laid clear through authenticated ahadith and Quran, we have no say in the matter. If one continues to disagree then that is between he and his God.
MyM
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And where exactly are you living? In the good 'ol US of A? Who is more cursed?
Among Americans aged 12 years and older, 31.9 million are current illegal drug users (used within the last 30 days). 11.7% of Americans 12 and over use illegal drugs. 53 million or 19.4% of people 12 and over have used illegal drugs or misused prescription drugs within the last year.
Alcohol usage in the states is 85.6% 18 and up, Binge drinking alcohol 25.8% ages 18 and up, 14.5% alcohol use disorder ages 12 and up, 414,000 alcohol abuse in adolescents, alcoholic related deaths 95,000-ANNUALLY....Economically burden that the states had to spend for the alcoholic disorders $249 BILLION.
Sexual abuse...over 1.5 million women and 834,700 men are raped and/or physically assaulted annually. 1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape in her lifetime (14.8% completed, 2.8% attempted). About 3% of American men—or 1 in 33—have experienced an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime.
in Gambling... In 2020, consumers spent approximately 29.98 billion U.S. dollars on U.S. commercial casino gaming.
Killings...national murder rate rising nearly 30% in 2020 – the biggest jump in six decades. Nearly 5,000 more Americans were murdered across the country last year than the year before, even as rape, robbery, and other property crimes fell. Murder increased in every geographic region, and in small towns and suburban areas as well as large cities. At least 77% of the murders were committed with firearms, according to the new government estimates.
Crimes
Homicide 6.5
Rape 38.4
Robbery 73.9
Aggravated assault 279.7
Total violent crime 398.5
Property crimes
Burglary 314.2
Larceny-theft 1,398
Motor vehicle theft 246
Total property crime 1,958.2
I would not make or say anything about anyone's govt if I were you.
MyM
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beating and causing blood over n over n over...this is something Mohammad pbuh would have never condoned.
It's sad of course, but we are not to dwell on that sadness
It does us no good and in the end, they are in a better place.
beating and causing blood over n over n over...this is something Mohammad pbuh would have never condoned.
It's sad of course, but we are not to dwell on that sadness
Blood causing is obviously haram rightly so by Khamanei (h) and other scholars saying that.
To know what Mohammad (S) would or not condone, we look to his Ahlulbayt (a) as Shiites. So we see they emphasized to mourn the Ahlulbayt (a).
Rationally, we see in Quran Yaqoub (a) is PRAISED for his knowledge with respect to his intense grief. Ignorance is from hard hearts, while soft hearts see the light. All decontextualization comes from sorcery of Iblis with respect to Quran and that occurs on hard hearts. Thus a solution to hard hearts is to soften. A heart that doesn't grieve at injustice towards God's rope, his favors, and his chosen ones, will harden naturally. The suffering now is also linked to the past.
It's an important to know how the nation went astray, to put a halt to it.
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MyM
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yeah i see lol it's not really a way to think about the family of the prophet pbuh especially when he didn't even say to do it. He didn't encourage mourning. Grieving is a sad thing indeed, but there is a limit in Islam. I don't understand really why they continue to do it when Mohammad pbuh didn't even do it for his own. Doesn't make sense and to me it isn't right especially when we are given instructions and details on how to act after a passing of someone.
I see the world as one people. Mohammad (s) was risen as a mercy to the whole world. The fact Americans suffer is also due to injustice towards Ahlulbayt (A) from start to now. The Quran is severly distorted in meaning and people reject Islam because of how we presented in through out time.
yeah i see lol it's not really a way to think about the family of the prophet pbuh especially when he didn't even say to do it. He didn't encourage mourning. Grieving is a sad thing indeed, but there is a limit in Islam. I don't understand really why they continue to do it when Mohammad pbuh didn't even do it for his own. Doesn't make sense and to me it isn't right especially when we are given instructions and details on how to act after a passing of someone.
Mohammad's (s) didn't do it for his son because it was not injustice towards God's favors and his rope. The injustice towards Ahlulbayt (a) makes the whole of humanity suffer and it causes many potentially savable souls to go to hell.
When Mohammad (s) learned about the conditional prophecy of Imam Hussain (a) being killed though, that if his nation deviates and rebels, Imam Hussain (a) would be killed, he was in tears as Sunni and Shiite hadiths show. He was in tears at the mere possibility of it, so let alone if it happens.
He told the nation of it to avoid it, not so they say God destined it. There is no such thing as God destining a nation to go astray and kill the grandson of the Prophet (s). Prophecies in Quran and Sunnah are usually conditional. For example, Imam Ali (a) talking about Umayyads ruling after him for a period is conditional if people fail to support Imam Ali (a) and his successors (A). It's him warning them. Not that it had to happen.
Likewise, the narrations that Arabs reject Imam Mahdi (a), is not destiny, it's so we avoid those tracks that will surely happen if we remain in disobedience to God.
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MyM
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People are suffering because of their own misgivings. They are misguided themselves. Satan has a big leash on that.
The Quran is not distorted because Allah sent it. If people can't understand to their own liking, maybe that is where they differ. If Allah sent it, it is not to be distorted for us not to be able to understand it. That's not right at all. He told us it's our guidelines on how to act as Muslims. We don't blame the world because of the sufferin that happened to Mohammad's family may Allah be pleased with them. We don't blame everything on that.
“Whosoever does righteous good deed, it is for (the benefit of) his own self; and whosoever does evil, it is against his own self. And your Lord is not at all unjust to (His) slaves” Fussilat 41:46
Messenger of Allah pbuh confirmed what Allah stated, that each person is responsible for his own wrongdoing, just as his good deeds are to his own credit, not the credit of anyone else.
Satan is only given a big leash, because those on truth don't care that much to support it while those on falsehood strive harder to spread their corruption. This is a tale that has killed chosen kings of God before Mohammad (s) and after Mohammad (s). And the King and Imam of our time remains hidden due to that.
MyM
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Where are you getting this information? Oh sorry forgot you are shi'ee.
If Mohammad pbuh DID NOT COMPLAIN and there is nothing in ahadith to say SUFFER FOR MY FAMILY, then why are you grieving. He didn't even do that for his own children!! Yes, he knew ahead of time of the atrocities and trials from what would happen, and it saddened him. But he did not tell the world to mourn for centuries on end for his family. It's wrong. He teared for his own son Ibraheem, but he didn't beat himself up over it, nor did he tell the world to mourn for him. The sympathy yes, we should feel sad at what happened. Yes, but we know how to handle ourselves as Muslims and stay out of the mourning and grieving.
Those usually who mourn and think constantly of the dead, they get bitter, they get hateful and they blame and many bad things can come of it. There is nothing on this earth can undo what happened to anyone in the past and we are NOT to dwell on it. We are to move forward.
Because both Quran (in story of Yusuf (a)) and hadiths from Ahlulbayt (a) emphasize on it. And because hard hearts don't understand Quran but rather decontextualize all it's words, and the more understanding, the more softer the heart, and more softer the heart, the more understanding.
MyM
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You know the story of Iblis and how he said he would misguide and Allah says you will not be able to misguide the believers... It's not because kings or Mohammad pbuh or any other... Allah gave him respite until his time.
MyM
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There are people who know Quran. Whether they have a soft heart or not. The meanings are there, the tafsirs are there and Allah will not misguide or confuse. Allah is the best to create and his words will never be distorted. People who take it upon themselves, do that and they don't go by the Quran and Sunnah.
فَبِمَا نَقْضِهِمْ مِيثَاقَهُمْ لَعَنَّاهُمْ وَجَعَلْنَا قُلُوبَهُمْ قَاسِيَةً ۖ يُحَرِّفُونَ الْكَلِمَ عَنْ مَوَاضِعِهِ ۙ وَنَسُوا حَظًّا مِمَّا ذُكِّرُوا بِهِ ۚ وَلَا تَزَالُ تَطَّلِعُ عَلَىٰ خَائِنَةٍ مِنْهُمْ إِلَّا قَلِيلًا مِنْهُمْ ۖ فَاعْفُ عَنْهُمْ وَاصْفَحْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُحْسِنِينَ | Then, because of their breaking their covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard:they distort words from their proper place, and have forgotten a part of what they were reminded. You will not cease to learn of some of their treachery, excepting a few of them. Yet excuse them and forbear. Indeed Allah loves the virtuous. | Al-Maaida : 13
This is while if they repented about breaking the covenant with respect to the Twelve Successors of Musa (a), their hearts would have been guided to Allah's (swt) light.
وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِنْ قَبْلِكَ مِنْ رَسُولٍ وَلَا نَبِيٍّ إِلَّا إِذَا تَمَنَّىٰ أَلْقَى الشَّيْطَانُ فِي أُمْنِيَّتِهِ فَيَنْسَخُ اللَّهُ مَا يُلْقِي الشَّيْطَانُ ثُمَّ يُحْكِمُ اللَّهُ آيَاتِهِ ۗ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ | We did not send any apostle or prophet before you but that when he recited/wished[the scripture] Satan cast in his recitation/wish. Thereat Allah nullifies whatever Satan has cast, and then Allah confirms His signs, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise. | Al-Hajj : 52
لِيَجْعَلَ مَا يُلْقِي الشَّيْطَانُ فِتْنَةً لِلَّذِينَ فِي قُلُوبِهِمْ مَرَضٌ وَالْقَاسِيَةِ قُلُوبُهُمْ ۗ وَإِنَّ الظَّالِمِينَ لَفِي شِقَاقٍ بَعِيدٍ | That He may make what Satan has thrown in a test for those in whose hearts is a sickness and those whose hearts have hardened. Indeed the wrongdoers are steeped in extreme defiance. | Al-Hajj : 53
وَلِيَعْلَمَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْعِلْمَ أَنَّهُ الْحَقُّ مِنْ رَبِّكَ فَيُؤْمِنُوا بِهِ فَتُخْبِتَ لَهُ قُلُوبُهُمْ ۗ وَإِنَّ اللَّهَ لَهَادِ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِلَىٰ صِرَاطٍ مُسْتَقِيمٍ | [And also for the reason] that those who have been given knowledge may know that it is the truth from your Lord, and so they may have faith in it, and their hearts may be humbled before Him. Indeed Allah guides those who have faith to a straight path. | Al-Hajj : 54
وَتَوَلَّىٰ عَنْهُمْ وَقَالَ يَا أَسَفَىٰ عَلَىٰ يُوسُفَ وَابْيَضَّتْ عَيْنَاهُ مِنَ الْحُزْنِ فَهُوَ كَظِيمٌ | He turned away from them and said, ‘O my grief for Joseph!’ His eyes had turned white with grief, and he choked with suppressed agony. | Yusuf : 84
قَالَ إِنَّمَا أَشْكُو بَثِّي وَحُزْنِي إِلَى اللَّهِ وَأَعْلَمُ مِنَ اللَّهِ مَا لَا تَعْلَمُونَ | He said, ‘I complain of my anguish and grief only to Allah. I know from Allah what you do not know.’ | Yusuf : 86
وَلَمَّا دَخَلُوا مِنْ حَيْثُ أَمَرَهُمْ أَبُوهُمْ مَا كَانَ يُغْنِي عَنْهُمْ مِنَ اللَّهِ مِنْ شَيْءٍ إِلَّا حَاجَةً فِي نَفْسِ يَعْقُوبَ قَضَاهَا ۚ وَإِنَّهُ لَذُو عِلْمٍ لِمَا عَلَّمْنَاهُ وَلَٰكِنَّ أَكْثَرَ النَّاسِ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ | When they entered whence their father had bidden them, it did not avail them anything against Allah, but only fulfilled a wish in Jacob’s heart. Indeed, he had the knowledge of what We had taught him, but most people do not know. | Yusuf : 68
This is while if they repented about breaking the covenant with respect to the Twelve Successors of Musa (a), their hearts would have been guided to Allah's (swt) light.
وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِنْ قَبْلِكَ مِنْ رَسُولٍ وَلَا نَبِيٍّ إِلَّا إِذَا تَمَنَّىٰ أَلْقَى الشَّيْطَانُ فِي أُمْنِيَّتِهِ فَيَنْسَخُ اللَّهُ مَا يُلْقِي الشَّيْطَانُ ثُمَّ يُحْكِمُ اللَّهُ آيَاتِهِ ۗ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ | We did not send any apostle or prophet before you but that when he recited/wished[the scripture] Satan cast in his recitation/wish. Thereat Allah nullifies whatever Satan has cast, and then Allah confirms His signs, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise. | Al-Hajj : 52
لِيَجْعَلَ مَا يُلْقِي الشَّيْطَانُ فِتْنَةً لِلَّذِينَ فِي قُلُوبِهِمْ مَرَضٌ وَالْقَاسِيَةِ قُلُوبُهُمْ ۗ وَإِنَّ الظَّالِمِينَ لَفِي شِقَاقٍ بَعِيدٍ | That He may make what Satan has thrown in a test for those in whose hearts is a sickness and those whose hearts have hardened. Indeed the wrongdoers are steeped in extreme defiance. | Al-Hajj : 53
وَلِيَعْلَمَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْعِلْمَ أَنَّهُ الْحَقُّ مِنْ رَبِّكَ فَيُؤْمِنُوا بِهِ فَتُخْبِتَ لَهُ قُلُوبُهُمْ ۗ وَإِنَّ اللَّهَ لَهَادِ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِلَىٰ صِرَاطٍ مُسْتَقِيمٍ | [And also for the reason] that those who have been given knowledge may know that it is the truth from your Lord, and so they may have faith in it, and their hearts may be humbled before Him. Indeed Allah guides those who have faith to a straight path. | Al-Hajj : 54
وَتَوَلَّىٰ عَنْهُمْ وَقَالَ يَا أَسَفَىٰ عَلَىٰ يُوسُفَ وَابْيَضَّتْ عَيْنَاهُ مِنَ الْحُزْنِ فَهُوَ كَظِيمٌ | He turned away from them and said, ‘O my grief for Joseph!’ His eyes had turned white with grief, and he choked with suppressed agony. | Yusuf : 84
قَالَ إِنَّمَا أَشْكُو بَثِّي وَحُزْنِي إِلَى اللَّهِ وَأَعْلَمُ مِنَ اللَّهِ مَا لَا تَعْلَمُونَ | He said, ‘I complain of my anguish and grief only to Allah. I know from Allah what you do not know.’ | Yusuf : 86
وَلَمَّا دَخَلُوا مِنْ حَيْثُ أَمَرَهُمْ أَبُوهُمْ مَا كَانَ يُغْنِي عَنْهُمْ مِنَ اللَّهِ مِنْ شَيْءٍ إِلَّا حَاجَةً فِي نَفْسِ يَعْقُوبَ قَضَاهَا ۚ وَإِنَّهُ لَذُو عِلْمٍ لِمَا عَلَّمْنَاهُ وَلَٰكِنَّ أَكْثَرَ النَّاسِ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ | When they entered whence their father had bidden them, it did not avail them anything against Allah, but only fulfilled a wish in Jacob’s heart. Indeed, he had the knowledge of what We had taught him, but most people do not know. | Yusuf : 68
MyM
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The past is the past
What Mohammad pbuh left us IS ENOUGH. We don't search throughout the Quran to benefit what Mohammad pbuh wouldn't agree with today The suffering no doubt happened. Many of the prophets and messengers suffered greatly at the hands of the disbelievers. But no one said to mourn constantly. It happened. We are to move on