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Where does the Quran say Muhammad is the last Messenger of God?
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MyM
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The most knowledgeable scholars of Islam are extremely knowledgeable in Quran. You cannot say they don't understand it. Those that say that only say it to fit their own agenda
The most knowledgeable scholars of Islam are extremely knowledgeable in Quran. You cannot say they don't understand it. Those that say that only say it to fit their own agenda
Ahlulbayt (a) understand Quran. No one else really does but them, the possessors of understanding all have their own meal and gems they take, but they don't understand it no where near level of Ahlulbayt (A), we just scratching the surface rest of us if we are scratching the surface and not loss in web of confusion from Iblis like most scholars with respect to Quran.
MyM
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The past is already the past. The Quran is the future
Mahdi will have his day totally and the good will be behind him
The past is already the past. The Quran is the future
The methodology to bring back the Mahdi (a), is to mourn Ahlulbayt (a). It's huge part of it. Love of Ahlulbayt (a) is the heart of Islam. Always has been always will be. If bani-Israel loved Ahlulbayt of Musa (a) and Haroun (a), they would've been guided.
MyM
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That is incorrect to say. MOhammad pbuh ordered some of the sahaba to study the Quran and understand it. He ordered it. There are authenticated instances other than that of the family of MOhammad pbuh that were extremely smart in their exegesis of the Quran and they were NOT from the family of Mohammad. That is a very incorrect thing to say about Muslims. I am not comparing them to Mohammad pbuh but they were extremely knowledgeable sahaba and the tabi'een.
The rope from God and rope from humans in bani-Israel were Imams God chose to explain the Torah and reveal other books. The revelations of God were coupled with the Imams that God chose to lead people upon the straight path. The problem with Bani-Israel is they relied on scholars they chose rather then the firmly rooted in knowledge that God chose.
They looked even to their scholars to accept Prophets (a)!
When Isa (a) condemned their scholars, they hated him for it.
MyM
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Mohammad pbuh did not say that was the reason for the Mehdi to appear. He is to appear when the word is mostly oppressed. He will set it straight and guide. He will not tell people I'm here so stop the mourning. That's just so trivial. It is not mentioned in Quran and ahadith. Mourning is not to be carried on in a constant battle of sadness and revenge. Islam wasn't made for that. Allah sent Mosa alayhi salam to Jews. Many did follow and many did not. It wasn't because they didn't love Mosa or harun, it's because they just didn't want to believe. You can't say "they wouldn have been" when it was obviously maktoob.
They obviously belittled Haroun (a). They did even during lifetime of Musa (a) and planned to kill him if he tried to stop the Samiri. They cut off the kinship of Haroun (a) thereafter, distorting the concept of Ahlulbayt of Haroun (a) despite many verses still found about "family of Aaron" in the Bible.
They saw Musa (a) as higher and accused Haroun (a) and Mariam (a) (the first one) as vying for his leadership and contesting his position. They accused Talut (a) of sinning and hating his successor Dawood (a). They accuse Sulaiman (a) of being deviated into dark arts.
If they loved the Ahlulbayt that God chose for them as leaders and didn't associate their scholars with their leadership, everything would have been fine.
But when you go to leaders that God didn't choose to represent a leader God did choose, everything goes haywire. As it did for bani-Israel.
If they loved Musa, Haroun... all the way to Zakariya, Yaha and Isa, everything would be fine, and Elyas would have been able to guide them till Mohammad (s) and would not even need to be hidden during that period.
But the signs of God and his Messengers were met with hostility because they brought what contradict their souls in terms of love of Dunya.
MyM
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I really don't understand why you keep going back to bani-israel to explain your stance. Where do you get the imams that God chose...look the jews disobeyed constantly they are considered out of the favor of Allah. Has nothing to do with imams or chosen people to lead because Allah made it perfectly clear in the Quran how they were misguided and explained it eloquently.
MyM
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You can always say, could of, should of or would of, but the point remains. It is in the past and we know by Quran what happened. We already know if you don't go by the Quran and Sunnah things will go haywire. What I am saying is, get out of the past and start preparing for the future.
Allah (swt) has explained Bani-Israel and how they deviated from their Imams so we don't repeat the same mistakes with our Ahlulbayt, our Ulil-Amr, and our Arhamy (kinship) we been trusted to tie back to Mohammad (s) and is part of what God has commanded to be connected (yusal), and the kin that God has enjoined us to love in 42:23.
You can always say, could of, should of or would of, but the point remains. It is in the past and we know by Quran what happened. We already know if you don't go by the Quran and Sunnah things will go haywire. What I am saying is, get out of the past and start preparing for the future.
We can't fix the future and present, till we learn from the past. This is why Quran talks about the past, so that Umma of Mohammad (s) avoids the warnings with respect to deviating.
MyM
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Yes, this I will agree with you to an extent
The past you cannot fix. To live in the past will never get you to the future either. The Quran talks about the past, future, warnings, rewards, hellfire, paradise, day of judgement, sciences and sooo much more. His Ummah is reminded of the past, but we are not to dwell on it and make ourselves constantly sad over it and hateful to the point of blame. What is done is done. We move on. The prophet pbuh moved on and so did the sahaba. Ali on him peace did not argue or protest or do anything as to mourn from the family of the prophet pbuh when they passed. So it is sooo beyond me that many shi'ee praise Ali, even to the extent of someone with given powers etc. Goes against the teachings of Mohammad pbuh and the Quran.
Like I said, when the smoke clears, like Yaqoub (a), there will be no more tears. Yaqoub (a) stopped grieving when his sons came back to Yusuf (a) and accepted himself, and Yusuf (a) and even his brother, as chosen above them. They accepted God's choice.
If the world comes to Ahlulbayt (a) - and Mahdi reappears, tears will stop. We curse the oppressors so they stop oppressing. We curse their supporters and followers so they stop following oppressors. If they repent, they will be saved from hell. We want them saved from hell, our curses to those alive of them, are more of a warning. While do the dead of them, a warning to those alive.
Till smoke clears, we are doing exactly what Quran shows we should do. You have hadiths, and we have hadiths, but our hadiths is supported by Yaqoub's (a) actions.
When the smoke clears, there will be no more tears.
If the world comes to Ahlulbayt (a) - and Mahdi reappears, tears will stop. We curse the oppressors so they stop oppressing. We curse their supporters and followers so they stop following oppressors. If they repent, they will be saved from hell. We want them saved from hell, our curses to those alive of them, are more of a warning. While do the dead of them, a warning to those alive.
Till smoke clears, we are doing exactly what Quran shows we should do. You have hadiths, and we have hadiths, but our hadiths is supported by Yaqoub's (a) actions.
When the smoke clears, there will be no more tears.
MyM
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The past is done though. Tears should not be shed. Allah completed Islam and we should rejoice in knowing that the final revelation is here to guide us. Mehdi will come nearer to the end times and he will come way before the sign of smoke is here.
The world needs to come to ISLAM not to the family of it. ISLAM not the family of Mohammad pbuh.
The past is done though. Tears should not be shed. Allah completed Islam and we should rejoice in knowing that the final revelation is here to guide us. Mehdi will come nearer to the end times and he will come way before the sign of smoke is here.
The world needs to come to ISLAM not to the family of it. ISLAM not the family of Mohammad pbuh.
The world needs to submit to God through the Ahlulbayt. It's not about them, true, it's about God at the end, but also, they should not be arrogant towards God's choice and submit and love them for who they are, honor them and help them.
The straight path is God's path per ending Surah 42, but it's also the path of those who he favored his religion to humanity upon. It's both. You need to hold on to God through his chosen lights. The Quran shows who he favors his religion upon through out, and even explicitly explains Surah Fatiha in that sense.
The past is done, but it's effects are still in motion. And Ahlulbayt is the last Ahlulbayt (a) and so it makes sense to keep their cause ALIVE.
Sorry, I don't really take your words with a grain of salt lol You just love to TRY and intimidate don't you lol aint happenin
Their promised "messiah" is most likely the anti-christ lol
You continue to put things out there that are not in Islam. Just wait, your turn will come.
It's as if you know exactly everything lol Allah will take care of his last message to mankind. He said so himself. Who are you to say he can't. I trust my Creator.
Wait a minute. Are you saying Eve, Abraham, and Solomon didn't live in Mecca, a top-rated 7th century trading center, and that Adam wasn't around 90 feet tall? Gads sooks, I have been led astray as to what Islam preaches. Are you saying that the Koran doesn't describe Isa Ibn Maryam, Yeshua, as being a prophet of Allah? Are you saying the income for the UAE doesn't come from the Shell Oil Company, and that the Saudi prince didn't have to expropriate billions from the UAE billionaires to pay the bills because of low oil revenues? The saying is you are to take what I say with a grain of salt, not to not take what I say with a grain of salt. And what exactly was Allah last message to mankind? Was it the last addition made by Mhmd's friend, that the women were to wear veils? Don't let the cat get your tongue, let everyone know what is and what is not.
MyM
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No that would constitute Shirk. We only go to Allah because he is the only one we go straight to. We don't have any intermediaries in Islam. That is the beauty of Allah. We go straight to HIM.
The whole of Quran is arguing submission is to God but through his chosen means (revelations + leaders from God). Mohamad (s) was the means for believers to hold on to God. There is no holding to God without Mohammad (s). You can't go straight to God, you can try, but you can't and it will be rejected if you try to by pass the Captains that navigate the ship towards God and are his beautiful Names.
The clear proof was Mohammad (s) reciting Quran and explaining it and he being the inward light of believers. The clear proof is Mohammad (s), not Quran. Read Surah Bayana, yes, him reciting Quran is part of that proof, but it says it's Mohammad (s).
Iblis had no problem worshiping God but had a problem when told he must submit to God through Adam (a).
Don't let him infect you with his disease.