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Where does the Quran say Muhammad is the last Messenger of God?

MyM

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It's not showing displeasure at Allah (swt). Rituals in grieving for Imam Hussain (A) and Ahlulbayt (A) in general was emphasized by Ahlulbayt (A) themselves. We have hadiths that it's praiseworthy to do this in gatherings. As for beating, I don't do it myself. But it's just a rhythmic thing.

In Islam, you have ahadith giving specific times to mourn the dead. Plus, they were martyred so they should be happy. :)

Umm Habeebah bint Abi Sufyaan reported that when the news of her fathers death reached her, she called for some perfume and wiped it on her forearms, and said: I do not need it, but I heard the Prophet pbuh say: It is not permitted for a woman who believes in Allah and the Last Day to mourn for any dead person for more than three days, except for a husband, (in which case the period of mourning is) four months and ten days. (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 4926).

It was reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “The deceased is punished by the weeping of his family for him.”
Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1286

“He is not one of us who strikes his cheeks, rends his garments and calls with the call of the jaahiliyyah.”
(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1294, Fath 3/163; Muslim, 103; Ahmad, 1/244)
 

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The morning for Ahlulbayt (a) is about people disobeying God and turning away from his favors, and the suffering all humans face as a consequence. This is why Ahlulbayt (a) said we can mourn them.

The whole world suffers and many go to hell, because, we don't give them their proper due. It's sad. Quran is also said to be revealed in a sad tone, that Gabriel (a) was in tears when reciting the verses to Mohammad (S). This is because mankind has failed so far (up to Mohammad (s)) with God's favors. Bani-Israel was meant to prepare the way for Mohammad (A) and accept the Ahlulbayt of Haroun (A), but were ungrateful and followed their own leaders rather then hold on to leaders appointed by God.

At the end, people who turn away from God's light and decontextualize Quran, they are oppressive towards themselves.

All that is needed to see Ahlulbayt (A) authority in Quran is contextualizing verses together or just letting the Quran flow with respect to preceding and succeeding verses with respect to each other.


What is the reason for hostility towards God's favors and putting verses outside their proper place and context? The hardening of hearts is from sorcery of Iblis, unfortunately, those who know the truth do little to remove the sorcery of Iblis in the outward, and so he rules in the inward with respect to Islam as well.
 
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MyM

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It was a conditional prophecy, only destined to happen, if nation walks on tracks of warnings and doesn't avoid them. The catastrophe and events if this happens, are very bad. And what will happen with the Mahdi (a), again we don't know. If we don't change tracks, it might be very bad for the world and most cities destroyed.

We want the world to know what happened to Ahlulbayt (A) because the Mahdi (a) is from Ahlubayt. The world need to come to Ahlulbayt (a) and Mahdi (a) cause is not separated from them.

The world WILL KNOW. :) We don't need to praise so much. Mohammad pbuh told us about the Mehdi's mission and that is when the world is so hard up it will be time for someone to help...this is when the Mehdi will appear and the good will side with him. It will happen no matter the fuss. :)
 

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We need to fuss about it, because the warnings are severe and need to be avoided. If we wait, without preparing, the catastrophes warned about will take place.

Surah Yaseen is a prophecy of it. It can happen too. For example, a few believers, and rest of humanity destroyed. One or two from every city or less might be the result if we are passive. We don't know the results.

We need to prepare and do everything to guide people.

Just as Mohammad (s) didn't know at a point (for example Surah Yaseen point), if there would be more then one or two believers.

The return of the Mahdi (a) has been delayed as a mercy from God, to avoid destroying so many cities. We need him to come back on good terms, with a world that wants him.

However, God delivers the believers from their oppressors, and so might be forced to bring Mahdi in a world that will face severe consequence.

Try to understand the warnings of Quran pertaining to him.
 

MyM

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The morning for Ahlulbayt (a) is about people disobeying God and turning away from his favors, and the suffering all humans face as a consequence. This is why Ahlulbayt (a) said we can mourn them.

The whole world suffers and many go to hell, because, we don't give them their proper due. It's sad. Quran is also said to be revealed in a sad tone, that Gabriel (a) was in tears when reciting the verses to Mohammad (S). This is because mankind has failed so far (up to Mohammad (s)) with God's favors. Bani-Israel was meant to prepare the way for Mohammad (A) and accept the Ahlulbayt of Haroun (A), but were ungrateful and followed their own leaders rather then hold on to leaders appointed by God.

At the end, people who turn away from God's light and decontextualize Quran, they are oppressive towards themselves.

All that is needed to see Ahlulbayt (A) authority in Quran is contextualizing verses together or just letting the Quran flow with respect to preceding and succeeding verses with respect to each other.


What is the reason for hostility towards God's favors and putting verses outside their proper place and context? The hardening of hearts is from sorcery of Iblis, unfortunately, those who know the truth do little to remove the sorcery of Iblis in the outward, and so he rules in the inward with respect to Islam as well.

The Prophet pbuh told us not to mourn but specified amount of days for women and not to do as the days of jahiliya. It is not recorded in ahadith that we are to continue mourning his family. Would actually defeat his purpose.

In Islam, we are not held accountable for the sins of the world. Islam is a joy, not a sadness. Actually it can be everything. But we are not to dwell on the sadness. We are not to live in the past and constantly think "what could have been or what should have been". Islam isn't like that. We are to live our days trying to worship Allah swt as best we can and thank him for our troubles even if you feel in despair :)
 

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The Prophet pbuh told us not to mourn but specified amount of days for women and not to do as the days of jahiliya. It is not recorded in ahadith that we are to continue mourning his family. Would actually defeat his purpose.

In Islam, we are not held accountable for the sins of the world. Islam is a joy, not a sadness. Actually it can be everything. But we are not to dwell on the sadness. We are not to live in the past and constantly think "what could have been or what should have been". Islam isn't like that. We are to live our days trying to worship Allah swt as best we can and thank him for our troubles even if you feel in despair :)

The Quran is to be recited in sadness per hadiths of Al-Kafi and was revealed in sadness by Gabriel (a). The path of sorrow has moments of laughing and happiness, but it's the proper path.
 

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Sorrow is one of the marks of the gnostics, through the magnitude of what comes to them of the Unseen when they are in seclusion, and the intensity of their glorification of Allah. The outer being of the sorrowful is contraction and his inner being is expansion.

He lives with men contentedly, in a life of nearness to Allah. The sorrowful person is not a man of reflection, because he who reflects is forced to do so, while a sorrowful person is so by nature. Sorrow comes from within, and reflection begins by seeing phenomena—there is a difference between them.

Allah said in the story of Jacob,



إِنَّمَا أَشْكُو بَثِّي وَحُزْنِي إِلَى اللّهِ وَأَعْلَمُ مِنَ اللّهِ مَا لاَ تَعْلَمُونَ

I only complain of my grief and sorrow to Allah, and I know [from Allah] what you do not know. (12:86)

This is because the knowledge gained in the state of sorrow is particular to him, and Allah has singled him out for it and left the rest of the world deprived. When Rabi' ibn Khuthaym was asked why he was sorrowful, he replied, 'Because I have demands made on me. At the right of sorrow stands contrition, and at the left of it stands silence. Sorrow is a mark of the gnostics of Allah .'

Reflection is shared by both the elite and the common folk. If sorrow were to be veiled from the hearts of the gnostics for an hour, they would have to seek help; but if it were to be placed in the hearts of others, they would dislike it. Sorrow is first, while second comes security and good news. Reflection comes second, following the establishment of one's belief in and utter need of Allah by one's seeking rescue with Him. The sorrowful person reflects, and he who reflects takes note. Each of them has a state, a science, a path, forbearance and honour.



- Imam Jaffar (a) from lantern of the path
 

MyM

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We need to fuss about it, because the warnings are severe and need to be avoided. If we wait, without preparing, the catastrophes warned about will take place.

Surah Yaseen is a prophecy of it. It can happen too. For example, a few believers, and rest of humanity destroyed. One or two from every city or less might be the result if we are passive. We don't know the results.

We need to prepare and do everything to guide people.

Just as Mohammad (s) didn't know at a point (for example Surah Yaseen point), if there would be more then one or two believers.

The return of the Mahdi (a) has been delayed as a mercy from God, to avoid destroying so many cities. We need him to come back on good terms, with a world that wants him.

However, God delivers the believers from their oppressors, and so might be forced to bring Mahdi in a world that will face severe consequence.

Try to understand the warnings of Quran pertaining to him.


I agree as an Islamic Ummah we need to become more conscious of what is happening around them but to overpraise and then underappreciate Allah is not a good portrayal of a Muslim. We were taught how to conduct ourselves.
 

MyM

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The Quran is to be recited in sadness per hadiths of Al-Kafi and was revealed in sadness by Gabriel (a). The path of sorrow has moments of laughing and happiness, but it's the proper path.


We can be sad yes, but it is not a must. One can recite in a melodious tone as well :)
 

MyM

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Sorrow is one of the marks of the gnostics, through the magnitude of what comes to them of the Unseen when they are in seclusion, and the intensity of their glorification of Allah. The outer being of the sorrowful is contraction and his inner being is expansion.

He lives with men contentedly, in a life of nearness to Allah. The sorrowful person is not a man of reflection, because he who reflects is forced to do so, while a sorrowful person is so by nature. Sorrow comes from within, and reflection begins by seeing phenomena—there is a difference between them.

Allah said in the story of Jacob,



إِنَّمَا أَشْكُو بَثِّي وَحُزْنِي إِلَى اللّهِ وَأَعْلَمُ مِنَ اللّهِ مَا لاَ تَعْلَمُونَ

I only complain of my grief and sorrow to Allah, and I know [from Allah] what you do not know. (12:86)

This is because the knowledge gained in the state of sorrow is particular to him, and Allah has singled him out for it and left the rest of the world deprived. When Rabi' ibn Khuthaym was asked why he was sorrowful, he replied, 'Because I have demands made on me. At the right of sorrow stands contrition, and at the left of it stands silence. Sorrow is a mark of the gnostics of Allah .'

Reflection is shared by both the elite and the common folk. If sorrow were to be veiled from the hearts of the gnostics for an hour, they would have to seek help; but if it were to be placed in the hearts of others, they would dislike it. Sorrow is first, while second comes security and good news. Reflection comes second, following the establishment of one's belief in and utter need of Allah by one's seeking rescue with Him. The sorrowful person reflects, and he who reflects takes note. Each of them has a state, a science, a path, forbearance and honour.



- Imam Jaffar (a) from lantern of the path


We shouldn't think so much on the sorrow. It takes one away from what one is supposed to do in Islam. We as humans do not contain parts of Allah. We shouldn't put ourselves to that level. There is no mysticism in Islam that is the beauty. Everything was told to us and explained to us before Mohamad pbuh was passed. We carry on and stop the "should haves" and think of what can be done now :)
 

MyM

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It's not showing displeasure at Allah (swt). Rituals in grieving for Imam Hussain (A) and Ahlulbayt (A) in general was emphasized by Ahlulbayt (A) themselves. We have hadiths that it's praiseworthy to do this in gatherings. As for beating, I don't do it myself. But it's just a rhythmic thing.

The prophet pbuh never beat himself up nor did his family when his own children died. Am sure he didn't say anything about being displeased because they died. How can the shi'a be so unaware that the path leads to being displeased with Allah?
 

2ndpillar

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Omg that's all you people think about...as I say, "Knowledge is ignorance to the people of ignorance, just as ignorance is ignorance to the people of knowledge.”

Instead of finding the truth yourself, instead of learning about it from someone who knows and NOT THE ENEMIES OF ISLAM, maybe then YOU could be open minded about it yourself. You don't learn something from people who hate except more hate.

Calling truth "hate", is not getting you anywhere. I can embrace whatever I want, but on the other hand, if you were to embrace "truth", your fellow Muslims would be free to cut your head off according to your book of "knowledge"., the Quran. Your "knowledge" comes out looking very badly. But don't think too deeply about it, unless you are in a nation which is not under Sharia law. Without your head, you will not be able to think one way or the other.
 

2ndpillar

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We shouldn't think so much on the sorrow. It takes one away from what one is supposed to do in Islam. We as humans do not contain parts of Allah. We shouldn't put ourselves to that level. There is no mysticism in Islam that is the beauty. Everything was told to us and explained to us before Mohamad pbuh was passed. We carry on and stop the "should haves" and think of what can be done now :)

Maybe you should look at what has happened in Islam countries, and say, Oh My, what have we done, and why are we so accursed?
 

MyM

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Maybe you should look at what has happened in Islam countries, and say, Oh My, what have we done, and why are we so accursed?

lol I am living in an Islamic country. UAE :) lol

You have no idea and trust me, when the time is near for it will come to pass, in Islam, you will be standing in front of your Creator and will be judged like everyone in this life. Wouldn't you want to be prepared?
 

2ndpillar

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It is amazing after I give you Quranic detail of where Allah says he PERFECTED the religion AND where he said no more will come after and ahadith where Mohammad pbuh said he was the last of them, that you will not see or refuse to see.

Being completed means nothing will be added or deleted...HE PERFECTED IT...AND IN THAT PERFECTION, nothing can be taken from it or added.

You now deny the aya and the ahadith that I gave you and now you bring a beautiful prominent scholar of ahadith, Al Bukhari, and you TRY to give your own exegesis on a hadith that shows you do not understand the hadith even.

This is a shame.

In Islam, Allah talks to his messengers, and he shows us how in the Quran. He showed us the prophesied version and he showed us the revelation direct to Mohammad pbuh. In Islam, It's in the Quran and IF ALLAH SAYS IT, IT'S 100% FACT AND TRUE.

Your Hadiths were written 200 years after this supposed "blessed one"/"praised one", Mhmd, pronounced Muhammad, and written mostly by sons of Persians. The one the Koran said was a prophet of Allah was Yeshua, Isa ibn Maryam, referred to as the "praised one, and he said the false prophets were coming (Matthew 24:11), after which came the false prophet Paul, and some mythical Mhmd, from a mythical trade center of the world, Mecca, in the 7th century.
 

MyM

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Your Hadiths were written 200 years after this supposed "blessed one"/"praised one", Mhmd, pronounced Muhammad, and written mostly by sons of Persians. The one the Koran said was a prophet of Allah was Yeshua, Isa ibn Maryam, referred to as the "praised one, and he said the false prophets were coming (Matthew 24:11), after which came the false prophet Paul, and some mythical Mhmd, from a mythical trade center of the world, Mecca, in the 7th century.


That is how you want to believe, believe doesn't harm me in the least :) I know where the truth stands and Allah as my witness, my rights will be granted to me :) Have a good life and please learn the truth about something you are so wrong in and not from Islamic enemies.
 

2ndpillar

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lol I am living in an Islamic country. UAE :) lol

You have no idea and trust me, when the time is near for it will come to pass, in Islam, you will be standing in front of your Creator and will be judged like everyone in this life. Wouldn't you want to be prepared?

Did you say you are living in the land of the American Shell Oil? Good luck with that. Your prince is cancelling your Hadiths. The Quran is an empty vessel without the Hadiths. You are running out of oil, and the prince is trying to divert into high Tech. Slight chance of him pulling that off and avoiding a revolution. Against Iran, the UAE is having to partner with Israel, and the USA, to have any chance of surviving. A little chance is better than none. Without the USA, the UAE, is nothing but a disaster ready to happen. Don't put much faith into Biden. If Iran wants to crush the UAE, now is the best time for them. Biden is nothing but a dessert reed, and Iran claims the promised Messiah is to come to Iran not the UAE. To be prepared, one is to follow the prophet pointed out in the Koran, that being Isa Ibn Maryam, who said do not follow the false prophets to destruction (Matthew 7:13-23).
 

2ndpillar

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That is how you want to believe, believe doesn't harm me in the least :) I know where the truth stands and Allah as my witness, my rights will be granted to me :) Have a good life and please learn the truth about something you are so wrong in and not from Islamic enemies.

According to the Quran, all Kuffar are enemies of Islam, and best look out for their heads. If you should become a kuffar, and deny Muhammad, you will doubly have to take care of your head, even in the UAE. Do you care to define "your rights"? I am sure everyone would be interested in that tid bit.
 
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Truthseeker

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I am not saying anything of the sort. I am just giving you authenticated evidences. AND QURAN. it's not me saying the Quran or Ahadith.
You are giving the literal meaning which is your interpretation.
 

Truthseeker

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iIn Islam, When Allah says it, we are not to say otherwise or give our own opinion into it. It's pretty clear when Allah tells you straight forward he completed the religion and nothing else will be added to it or deleted. Allah is not a liar.
In other words you are not supposed to think, you are to take the literal meaning.
 
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