Where does the Quran say Muhammad is the last Messenger of God?

[MyM]

Wait a minute. Are you saying Eve, Abraham, and Solomon didn't live in Mecca, a top-rated 7th century trading center, and that Adam wasn't around 90 feet tall? Gads sooks, I have been led astray as to what Islam preaches. Are you saying that the Koran doesn't describe Isa Ibn Maryam, Yeshua, as being a prophet of Allah? Are you saying the income for the UAE doesn't come from the Shell Oil Company, and that the Saudi prince didn't have to expropriate billions from the UAE billionaires to pay the bills because of low oil revenues? The saying is you are to take what I say with a grain of salt, not to not take what I say with a grain of salt. And what exactly was Allah last message to mankind? Was it the last addition made by Mhmd's friend, that the women were to wear veils? Don't let the cat get your tongue, let everyone know what is and what is not.

sighs just stop it you are not that intelligent as you may think you read. Leave Islam alone and go bother someone else.

 

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Wait a minute. Are you saying Eve, Abraham, and Solomon didn't live in Mecca, a top-rated 7th century trading center, and that Adam wasn't around 90 feet tall? Gads sooks, I have been led astray as to what Islam preaches. Are you saying that the Koran doesn't describe Isa Ibn Maryam, Yeshua, as being a prophet of Allah? Are you saying the income for the UAE doesn't come from the Shell Oil Company, and that the Saudi prince didn't have to expropriate billions from the UAE billionaires to pay the bills because of low oil revenues? The saying is you are to take what I say with a grain of salt, not to not take what I say with a grain of salt. And what exactly was Allah last message to mankind? Was it the last addition made by Mhmd's friend, that the women were to wear veils? Don't let the cat get your tongue, let everyone know what is and what is not.

What will you do when she learns to ignore you like me? You will get lonely, so try to make friends.

 

[MyM]

The whole of Quran is arguing submission is to God but through his chosen means (revelations + leaders from God). Mohamad (s) was the means for believers to hold on to God. There is no holding to God without Mohammad (s). You can't go straight to God, you can try, but you can't and it will be rejected if you try to by pass the Captains that navigate the ship towards God and are his beautiful Names.

The clear proof was Mohammad (s) reciting Quran and explaining it and he being the inward light of believers. The clear proof is Mohammad (s), not Quran. Read Surah Bayana, yes, him reciting Quran is part of that proof, but it says it's Mohammad (s).

Iblis had no problem worshiping God but had a problem when told he must submit to God through Adam (a).

Don't let him infect you with his disease.

What does suratal Bayana have anything to do with this?
ARE you seriously saying we can't pray to Allah straight?
I know that you have to believe in Mohammad pbuh and also Allah but we don't go through Mohammad pbuh to get to Allah. Allah has NO PARTNERS. That would constitute shirk big time.

 

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What does suratal Bayana have anything to do with this?
ARE you seriously saying we can't pray to Allah straight?
I know that you have to believe in Mohammad pbuh and also Allah but we don't go through Mohammad pbuh to get to Allah. Allah has NO PARTNERS. That would constitute shirk big time.

Actually, I was not talking about prayers. But my experience in life, Allah (Swt) rejected my prayers when I did direct prayers to him ONLY and would ARGUE against TAWASUL, and only began to accept when I do both direct prayers to God and other times ask Ahlulbayt (a) to intercede as well and do ziyarats to them.

My life was a mess and I even misunderstood Quran to the extent I wrote a book "28 Issues" and linked it to Shiachat.com, where people tried to help me for years to no avail.

The Quran talks about hypocrisy and mentions the hypocrites don't like Rasool (s) asking forgiveness for them.

I didn't think Nabi (s) would accompany me in my soul world for 3 days and teach me how to fight, I didn't ask for that. All I Asked was that he intercede for my sins with God, but God was so pleased with that, he turned my life around and I was able to do school again. I was highly suicidal at this point as well and in intense misery in life. Everything changed with Tawasul for me.

The best cure for hypocrisy if you cant' do Tawasul is Salawat. If you can't get yourself to talk to Nabi (s) and his family (a), at least do a lot of Salawat upon Mohammad (s) and his family (a).

 

[2ndpillar]

lol again, where in the world do you ... so ridiculous

let me teach you a little about Islam.

Islam isnt ISIS. Islam means to submit to the only one worthy of worship and to have no other partners associated unto Him. It means submission to the only one worthy. It's as if we worship Him although we don't see him we know he sees us. IN EVERYTHING.

If you think that because people don't believe we are to cut their heads, you are as ignorant as ...well can't compare ignorance with ignorance suffice it to say. You keep on continuing to bash Muslims, degrade Islam, humiliate the Quran and Mohammad pbuh. I am not worried in the least of what will happen to you. Allah is in full control and he will deal with you.

I will not give you the pleasure of my day in giving you what I know about my rights as a Muslim, You don't deserve it. Just go away and stop pretending like you know Islam and Muslims.

Apparently, you don't know enough about Islam to know what traditionally happened to those who fall away from Islam, apostasy, even what happens to those who mock Muhammad. While the death penalty has radically changed since the 19th century, it still has a 78% approval rating in Afghanistan. While the Shell Oil Company has civilized the UAE to a certain decree, it has not civilized Islam in a larger sense. The 911 escapade was supported by a majority of Muslims, bringing out their true character. IT’S TRUE: U.S. MUSLIMS CELEBRATED 9/11 (marshallfrank.com)
Al Jazeera poll suggests 81% of Arab Muslims support ISIS (commdiginews.com)

 

[MyM]

The world needs to submit to God through the Ahlulbayt. It's not about them, true, it's about God at the end, but also, they should not be arrogant towards God's choice and submit and love them for who they are, honor them and help them.

The straight path is God's path per ending Surah 42, but it's also the path of those who he favored his religion to humanity upon. It's both. You need to hold on to God through his chosen lights. The Quran shows who he favors his religion upon through out, and even explicitly explains Surah Fatiha in that sense.

The past is done, but it's effects are still in motion. And Ahlulbayt is the last Ahlulbayt (a) and so it makes sense to keep their cause ALIVE.

There is no cause. We know what Mohammad pbuh said. We got authenticated ahadith that tell us exactly what we are supposed to know and do. We have the Glorious Quran wich Allah is protecting and is NOT DISTORTED. We have it all.

Our cause is to try and spread Islam in a good way possible. To show people what it is. We don't bring people to islam to explain "sadness" and this is why...no Allah didn't say that.

“Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Quran) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)” [al-Hijr 15:9]

Allah does not obligate anyone beyond his capacity. For him is what he has earned, and on him what he has incurred.

“Our Lord, do not hold us accountable, if we forget or make a mistake, and, Our Lord, do not place on us such a burden as You have placed on those before us, and, Our Lord, do not make us bear a burden for which we have no strength. And pardon us, and grant us forgiveness, and have mercy on us. You are our Lord. So then help us against the disbelieving people.” Baqarah 2:286

 

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@MyM I will come back to all this. I've got assignments coming up. Going to take a break from this forum for a while.

Thanks for good manners and good discussion.

I won't be back till after Wednesday Inshallah (have another test on that day).

 

[MyM]

Actually, I was not talking about prayers. But my experience in life, Allah (Swt) rejected my prayers when I did direct prayers to him ONLY and would ARGUE against TAWASUL, and only began to accept when I do both direct prayers to God and other times ask Ahlulbayt (a) to intercede as well and do ziyarats to them.

My life was a mess and I even misunderstood Quran to the extent I wrote a book "28 Issues" and linked it to Shiachat.com, where people tried to help me for years to no avail.

The Quran talks about hypocrisy and mentions the hypocrites don't like Rasool (s) asking forgiveness for them.

I didn't think Nabi (s) would accompany me in my soul world for 3 days and teach me how to fight, I didn't ask for that. All I Asked was that he intercede for my sins with God, but God was so pleased with that, he turned my life around and I was able to do school again. I was highly suicidal at this point as well and in intense misery in life. Everything changed with Tawasul for me.

The best cure for hypocrisy if you cant' do Tawasul is Salawat. If you can't get yourself to talk to Nabi (s) and his family (a), at least do a lot of Salawat upon Mohammad (s) and his family (a).

Sorry this is where I must seriously disagree but we already went through this before. I say we go straight to Allah and so did Mohammad pbuh. And who are you to say that Allah didn't accept your prayers??? We know that the family of Mohammad pbuh are dead. and we know in Islam Mohammad pbuh said to call upon the dead is shirk.

And your Lord said: Invoke Me (and ask Me for anything), I will respond to your invocation. Verily! Those who scorn My worship [i.e., do not invoke Me and do not believe in My Oneness], they will surely enter Hell in humiliation! [Ghaafir 40:60

If you invoke (or call upon) them, they hear not your call, and if (in case) they were to hear, they could not grant it (your request) to you. And on the Day of Resurrection, they will disown your worshipping them. And none can inform you (O Muhammad), like Him Who is the All-Knower (of everything). [Faatir 35:13-14]

 

[MyM]

@MyM I will come back to all this. I've got assignments coming up. Going to take a break from this forum for a while.

Thanks for good manners and good discussion.

I won't be back till after Wednesday Inshallah (have another test on that day).

inshallah
Good luck on your exams!

 

[2ndpillar]

And where exactly are you living? In the good 'ol US of A? Who is more cursed?

Among Americans aged 12 years and older, 31.9 million are current illegal drug users (used within the last 30 days). 11.7% of Americans 12 and over use illegal drugs. 53 million or 19.4% of people 12 and over have used illegal drugs or misused prescription drugs within the last year.

Alcohol usage in the states is 85.6% 18 and up, Binge drinking alcohol 25.8% ages 18 and up, 14.5% alcohol use disorder ages 12 and up, 414,000 alcohol abuse in adolescents, alcoholic related deaths 95,000-ANNUALLY....Economically burden that the states had to spend for the alcoholic disorders $249 BILLION.

Sexual abuse...over 1.5 million women and 834,700 men are raped and/or physically assaulted annually. 1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape in her lifetime (14.8% completed, 2.8% attempted). About 3% of American men—or 1 in 33—have experienced an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime.

in Gambling... In 2020, consumers spent approximately 29.98 billion U.S. dollars on U.S. commercial casino gaming.

Killings...national murder rate rising nearly 30% in 2020 – the biggest jump in six decades. Nearly 5,000 more Americans were murdered across the country last year than the year before, even as rape, robbery, and other property crimes fell. Murder increased in every geographic region, and in small towns and suburban areas as well as large cities. At least 77% of the murders were committed with firearms, according to the new government estimates.

Crimes
Homicide 6.5
Rape 38.4
Robbery 73.9
Aggravated assault 279.7
Total violent crime 398.5
Property crimes
Burglary 314.2
Larceny-theft 1,398
Motor vehicle theft 246
Total property crime 1,958.2


I would not make or say anything about anyone's govt if I were you.

The problem in the US is of following false gods and false prophets, in the form of the false prophet Paul, and the false prophet Marx. The same problem is with respect to the Muslim countries, but they have public executions to lower infractions of Muslim Sharia laws, and the reporting of those infractions, but they have infractions non the less, but without publication. Try and look up the rape rate in Afghanistan, or even UAE. How do the Musim's even define rape? It is generally the raped women who is convicted of adultery, often resulting in stoning. The argument against stoning was that Mhmd's young wife had a house goat that ate that chapter out of the early Quran. This would be helpful for her because she was suspected of committing adultery. Punishment for Adultery in Islam -- A Detailed Examination (islamicperspectives.com)

Islamic rape: Under Islamic law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses. Women who allege rape without the benefit of the act having been witnessed by four men (who presumably develop a conscience afterwards) are actually confessing to having sex. If they or the accused happens to be married, then it is considered to be adultery.

 

[MyM]

The problem in the US is of following false gods and false prophets, in the form of the false prophet Paul, and the false prophet Marx. The same problem is with respect to the Muslim countries, but they have public executions to lower infractions of Muslim Sharia laws, and the reporting of those infractions, but they have infractions non the less, but without publication. Try and look up the rape rate in Afghanistan, or even UAE. How do the Musim's even define rape? It is generally the raped women who is convicted of adultery, often resulting in stoning. The argument against stoning was that Mhmd's young wife had a house goat that ate that chapter out of the early Quran. This would be helpful for her because she was suspected of committing adultery. Punishment for Adultery in Islam -- A Detailed Examination (islamicperspectives.com)

Islamic rape: Under Islamic law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses. Women who allege rape without the benefit of the act having been witnessed by four men (who presumably develop a conscience afterwards) are actually confessing to having sex. If they or the accused happens to be married, then it is considered to be adultery.

You told me uae was accursed...I just gave you statistics of the states and the horribleness of happenings inside it and it isn't about false gods so you are the one that should be careful about the tongue goin off....its about where ya live. So please JUST STOP insulting and go bother someone else.

You are all over the place.

You talk about Islam as if you know. You talk as if you know the legal systems. You act as if you know all about the laws and the religion. Knowing what you think doesn't make you an expert on how things are dealt with. You do a google search and I guess that makes you knowledgeable. sighs

What is your religion?

 

[rational experiences]

If science said Mohammad was the last a question I would ask is would the term be the last of what?

As messengers by star fall related to the mountain fall of angels who spoke. Mountain mass changed.

To a human brain mind changed who hears the voice.

So if Muhammad is said to be the last falling burning star. Then 1000AD said no it wasn't.

Then Russian hit nearly another 1000 years said no it wasn't.

Science the studier of God the one earth and star fall was updated.

Or you could ask does the end messenger God stone causes come as Mohammad by star fall. Depending on what the last or end inferred by the original teaching.

I think is what was asked. Which end. The beginning that then ended by an attack or the end of the beginning.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

There was no shia during the time of Mohammad pbuh.

There was no Sunni at the time of Jesus.
So, what?
Just as God sent Muhammad, later, He sent 12 Imams after Muhammad.

 

[MyM]

There was no Sunni at the time of Jesus.
So, what?
Just as God sent Muhammad, later, He sent 12 Imams after Muhammad.

well, that is what you believe and I don't .

 

[InvestigateTruth]

It is amazing after I give you Quranic detail of where Allah says he PERFECTED the religion AND where he said no more will come after and ahadith where Mohammad pbuh said he was the last of them, that you will not see or refuse to see.

Being completed means nothing will be added or deleted...HE PERFECTED IT...AND IN THAT PERFECTION, nothing can be taken from it or added.

You now deny the aya and the ahadith that I gave you and now you bring a beautiful prominent scholar of ahadith, Al Bukhari, and you TRY to give your own exegesis on a hadith that shows you do not understand the hadith even.

This is a shame.

In Islam, Allah talks to his messengers, and he shows us how in the Quran. He showed us the prophesied version and he showed us the revelation direct to Mohammad pbuh. In Islam, It's in the Quran and IF ALLAH SAYS IT, IT'S 100% FACT AND TRUE.

Imagine if you were born in a Christian Family who told you only Jesus is the way, because that's what Holy Bible says:

"Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"

John 14:6

Now, you hear some claim that after Jesus came another Prophet, with a Book called Quran. Then you say, this is surely a false prophet, because Our Holy Bible says, only Jesus is the way to God.

Because you just seem so fanatical, and certain that you don't even want to look and hear the reasoning of others.

Now, tell me, why would you even believe that after Jesus who is the Only Way according to your the Holy Bible, another Prophet comes and claims He has a revelation from God?
I suggest sometimes you try putting yourself in someone else place and see if you could even believe what you believe now.

 

[MyM]

If science said Mohammad was the last a question I would ask is would the term be the last of what?

As messengers by star fall related to the mountain fall of angels who spoke. Mountain mass changed.

To a human brain mind changed who hears the voice.

So if Muhammad is said to be the last falling burning star. Then 1000AD said no it wasn't.

Then Russian hit nearly another 1000 years said no it wasn't.

Science the studier of God the one earth and star fall was updated.

Or you could ask does the end messenger God stone causes come as Mohammad by star fall. Depending on what the last or end inferred by the original teaching.

I think is what was asked. Which end. The beginning that then ended by an attack or the end of the beginning.

?????

 

[InvestigateTruth]

well, that is what you believe and I don't .

Right, but we are debating what belief is true.

 

[MyM]

Imagine if you were born in a Christian Family who told you only Jesus is the way, because that's what Holy Bible says:

"Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"

John 14:6

Now, you hear some claim that after Jesus came another Prophet, with a Book called Quran. Then you say, this is surely a false prophet, because Our Holy Bible says, only Jesus is the way to God.

Because you just seem so fanatical, and certain that you don't even want to look and hear the reasoning of others.

Now, tell me, why would you even believe that after Jesus who is the Only Way according to your the Holy Bible, another Prophet comes and claims He has a revelation from God?
I suggest sometimes you try puntying yourself in someone else place and see if could even believe what you believe now.

 

[MyM]

Imagine if you were born in a Christian Family who told you only Jesus is the way, because that's what Holy Bible says:

"Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"

John 14:6

Now, you hear some claim that after Jesus came another Prophet, with a Book called Quran. Then you say, this is surely a false prophet, because Our Holy Bible says, only Jesus is the way to God.

Because you just seem so fanatical, and certain that you don't even want to look and hear the reasoning of others.

Now, tell me, why would you even believe that after Jesus who is the Only Way according to your the Holy Bible, another Prophet comes and claims He has a revelation from God?
I suggest sometimes you try putting yourself in someone else place and see if could even believe what you believe now.

I was born in a Christian family. I was raised First Baptist. I was saved, I was baptized. I went to church constantly. Then I started thinkin of my own as I got older. It's because I know what the others say and preach that maybe I seem a bit harsh at times. But I have heard it over and over and over.

I got fed up with not being told the truth. It seemed the more I asked the more I told was to just have faith, just don't ask so many questions, it's not good just have faith. Over and over. So I settled that I have a brain and that I will take the Bible and write down everything Jesus said. I did that and I found out that he did not say a lot of what everyone is preaching. Many things they preach are taking out of context and misinterpreted according to what they want you to believe and if you go against it, it's like they hate you for it. Example, you said, Jesus said, I am the way the truth and the life and no one comes to the father but through me. This is NOT saying Jesus is God. There is also another explanation. Any prophet that was sent, the people had to believe in that prophet to get to Paradise. Noah's time you had to believe in him, Abraham's time, you had to believe, Moses, David and Jesus. Doesn't make anyone of them God. This is just one instance

There are many many many places in the Bible that if you simply just think outside the box about the genuinity of it. The way it is portrayed. How preachers teach Jesus is God when Jesus never claimed ONCE in the Bible he was. These things are what I am talking about.

I bring them up, and trust me, no one wants to have their faith questioned I totally understand that. But I wish people would just think for themselves instead of "just being taught it, or born into it or preached it".

 

[InvestigateTruth]

I was born in a Christian family. I was raised First Baptist. I was saved, I was baptized. I went to church constantly. Then I started thinkin of my own as I got older. It's because I know what the others say and preach that maybe I seem a bit harsh at times. But I have heard it over and over and over.

I got fed up with not being told the truth. It seemed the more I asked the more I told was to just have faith, just don't ask so many questions, it's not good just have faith. Over and over. So I settled that I have a brain and that I will take the Bible and write down everything Jesus said. I did that and I found out that he did not say a lot of what everyone is preaching. Many things they preach are taking out of context and misinterpreted according to what they want you to believe and if you go against it, it's like they hate you for it. Example, you said, Jesus said, I am the way the truth and the life and no one comes to the father but through me. This is NOT saying Jesus is God. There is also another explanation. Any prophet that was sent, the people had to believe in that prophet to get to Paradise. Noah's time you had to believe in him, Abraham's time, you had to believe, Moses, David and Jesus. Doesn't make anyone of them God. This is just one instance

There are many many many places in the Bible that if you simply just think outside the box about the genuinity of it. The way it is portrayed. How preachers teach Jesus is God when Jesus never claimed ONCE in the Bible he was. These things are what I am talking about.

I bring them up, and trust me, no one wants to have their faith questioned I totally understand that. But I wish people would just think for themselves instead of "just being taught it, or born into it or preached it".

That's great. So, even though the Bible says Jesus is the only way to God, still you can believe in Muhamad, Quran and Sunnah.

I don't know why though. Because it does not seem you treat Quran the same way. You just say, because Quran says, today religion is complete, then that's it. No more revelation. But when the Bible says, Jesus the only way, you could still believe in another revelation.
I hope I am clear what I'm trying to say.
So, if you could accept that, although Jesus said He is the only way to God, yet, another Revelation from God was possible, why you cannot believe that, after Quran, another Revelation is possible, even if it is said, it is complete.
I never understood the logic. But anyways, all the best to you.