Interesting point, I shall have to find out more about this. Thank you.
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Where is Logic in Religion?
- Thread starter KayOS
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Interesting point, I shall have to find out more about this. Thank you.
Dunemeister
Well-Known Member
You can believe the latter without the former. The latter is true; the former is debatable.
DarkSun
:eltiT
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts."
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footprints
Well-Known Member
Anything can be debated.
By a fool, yes.
footprints
Well-Known Member
There are more grains of sand on any beach than can be counted, yet each grain of sand, counts.
There are more drops of water in the oceans than can be counted, yet each drop of water, counts.
As long as something counts to one person, one grain of sand, or one drop of water, then, that something counts. Albeit, others may not see the value in it.
footprints
Well-Known Member
Yes I have noticed that. And a very good example sunstone.
Anti-thesisofreason
Explorer
Welcome!
I don't think I can answer that question. It depends on the religion and the approach used to find "proof".
I personally have trouble approaching religion from the sidelines, analyzing and observing like some scientist in a lab. Religion doesn't work that way. I don't get the answers I'm looking for from a logical,rational, analytical, left brain point of view.
Religion and spirituality depend on participation, on subjective observation, emotion, and intuition (right brain processes) in order to find the kinds of answers I'm looking for.
I may be able to give you some examples of personal experience which I hold as evidence but for you these examples may be considered hallucination or delusion or evidence of some psychological imbalance. They won't supply You with the answers your looking for.
MSizer
MSizer
To answer your question, thoeology is like tennis without a net IMO. In philosophy, we specualate using reason and logic. In philosophy, where we run into a goal post, we reconsider our path and redirect accordingly. In theology, where they run into a goal post, they dig it up, relocate it, and carry on.
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
Isn't that a bit harsh? Maybe a bit over generalized for my taste, but I understand what you are saying.
Dunemeister
Well-Known Member
Sounds like an outsider looking in on something he doesn't quite understand....
Amigo
New Member
Hello.
I apologize, that I break by the intrusion this conversation. English is not my native language,
Therefore, probably, I simply have not understood a question and vainly I borrow(occupy) your time.
I use by a translation program, therefore for adequacy of translation I do not vouch(warrant).
[ QUOTE=KayOS; 1859394]
What are the basic religious theories that have been proven, and what have they done for us? [/QUOTE]
Religion it not the theory, as for example arithmetics or mechanics, religion it not the social concept and not
Ethics. Though, certainly, all these parties of religion are inherent. But the religion is not settled(exhausted) by these things.
The religion, it first of all output(exit), output(exit) for limits all that can be created by man. An output(exit) on meeting of other reality,
By what is not generation of our consciousness, but which fills our essence любовью.
The different subjects can be necessary: eggs, milk, cheese, money, automobiles etc. But the religion it not a subject, with which is possible to use.
Religion, it first of all зов: ", I stand at a door and I knock: if who will hear a vote mine and will open a door, I shall enter to it(him) and I shall celebrate with it(him), and he with me ".
Pay attention: here is not said, that he will celebrate extremely that you would like. Here is said - " with it(him), and he with me ".
What does it mean? It means, that the God not a thing. He, can not for something "be necessary". It(he) cannot be adapted under the tasks. And the God, costs(stands) and knocks, and he costs(stands) and knocks always.
But some, open to him a door, and others no. Why? What distinguishes one from others? Extremely that the people want to act only at the will.
It is not interesting that the God wants. Is interesting only to them what they want. They, like themselves most of all on light, it is more than the God. Therefore to God up to them not достучаться.
For very first заповедь they do not observe:
" Listen, Israel, I Господь the God have deduced(removed) yours, Which you from Egypt; yes there will be no at you gods, except for me ".
And if the man puts itself превыше all? Who for him(it) the God how not he? So, if we speak about religion
( And religion only one), we should think not only above what role she can play in our businesses.
What our desires can serve, But first of all, how to us to resist(stand) in true to. How to us to get rid from обожествления itself?
Certainly, it is completely impossible. Nobody can by itself get rid of self-conceit or pride. You see on the essence of concept "pride"
Means, that is necessary something, that outside of you to prefer to itself. But it is impossible before that moment, than the man sees this other, and seeing, is actively combined.
p.s.
I apologize in next time for rough translation.
I apologize, that I break by the intrusion this conversation. English is not my native language,
Therefore, probably, I simply have not understood a question and vainly I borrow(occupy) your time.
I use by a translation program, therefore for adequacy of translation I do not vouch(warrant).
[ QUOTE=KayOS; 1859394]
What are the basic religious theories that have been proven, and what have they done for us? [/QUOTE]
Religion it not the theory, as for example arithmetics or mechanics, religion it not the social concept and not
Ethics. Though, certainly, all these parties of religion are inherent. But the religion is not settled(exhausted) by these things.
The religion, it first of all output(exit), output(exit) for limits all that can be created by man. An output(exit) on meeting of other reality,
By what is not generation of our consciousness, but which fills our essence любовью.
The different subjects can be necessary: eggs, milk, cheese, money, automobiles etc. But the religion it not a subject, with which is possible to use.
Religion, it first of all зов: ", I stand at a door and I knock: if who will hear a vote mine and will open a door, I shall enter to it(him) and I shall celebrate with it(him), and he with me ".
Pay attention: here is not said, that he will celebrate extremely that you would like. Here is said - " with it(him), and he with me ".
What does it mean? It means, that the God not a thing. He, can not for something "be necessary". It(he) cannot be adapted under the tasks. And the God, costs(stands) and knocks, and he costs(stands) and knocks always.
But some, open to him a door, and others no. Why? What distinguishes one from others? Extremely that the people want to act only at the will.
It is not interesting that the God wants. Is interesting only to them what they want. They, like themselves most of all on light, it is more than the God. Therefore to God up to them not достучаться.
For very first заповедь they do not observe:
" Listen, Israel, I Господь the God have deduced(removed) yours, Which you from Egypt; yes there will be no at you gods, except for me ".
And if the man puts itself превыше all? Who for him(it) the God how not he? So, if we speak about religion
( And religion only one), we should think not only above what role she can play in our businesses.
What our desires can serve, But first of all, how to us to resist(stand) in true to. How to us to get rid from обожествления itself?
Certainly, it is completely impossible. Nobody can by itself get rid of self-conceit or pride. You see on the essence of concept "pride"
Means, that is necessary something, that outside of you to prefer to itself. But it is impossible before that moment, than the man sees this other, and seeing, is actively combined.
p.s.
I apologize in next time for rough translation.
Gabethewiking
Active Member
Just "so cool" with using a translation program and I could actually get it.. A Bit, to bad it messed up with the Quoting system.
The problem here is that I could show you the History of various religions, such as Christianity, Islam and Judaism, I can show you religions that existed thousands of years before these religion ever came to pass, and I can show you religions that our ancestors once held thousands upon thousands of years ago which we could only speculate what they could call. The Sun is generally the object for obvious reasons.
The point I am making is that anyone holding a religion in todays world can normally trace it back to a few thousand years whiles Humanity continues for hundreds of thousands, and yet they claim truth in their religion which makes no sense. How do you respond to that?
Amigo
New Member
Here there is a discrepancy. If the man has found religion, he one nothing requires(demands), for The religion contains completeness of true. But the religion, this is not simple knowledge. Religion It is communication(connection) of the man with the God, stay in him. As the apostle " the God speaks there is a love,
Also staying in love stays in the God, and God in him ". In the God it is necessary пребыть ! And the religion gives this communication(connection). Certainly, if religion true.
Any man can not by itself do(make) kindness, kindly it is possible make only together with the God. The orthodox doctrine is a doctrine about interaction two will: human and Divine. People can indefinitely long dream about Universal values, but one man can by itself make of goods. Simply because only one source of immortality, the boons and love - God. And if this source is not inside you, you essentially can not create kindness. The christianity calls all people not simply for conversations on the God or about goods, the christianity gives such communication(connection), therefore is called as religion. Communication(connection) this gives through life in Orthodox Church.
Gabethewiking
Active Member
Is that why the most secular (none-religious people) societies are the most giving on the planet and the most religious are the least giving?
