WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED?

[3rdAngel]

Have a nice day.

No problem take Care.

 

[metis]

There are many laws that are shadow laws in the old covenant pointing to Messiah and His role in our salvation under the new covenant. These are shadow laws pointing to Gods promised Christ and are continued and fulfilled in Jesus. However unlike these shadow laws Gods 10 commandments are His eternal laws, and the work of God alone, spoken by God and written with the finger of God on two tables of stone. The purpose of Gods eternal law in the 10 commandments is to give us the knowledge of good (moral wrong doing when obeyed) and evil (moral wrong doing when disobeyed); Sin (moral wrong doing when obeyed) and righteousness (moral right doing when obeyed) *see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and Psalms 119:172. Unlike the 613 Gods 10 commandments are all repeated in the new covenant scriptures as a requirement and standard of Christian living to give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken and to lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith *Galatians 3:22-25. You are not trying to argue are you brother that it is now alright to lie, steal and commit adultery with your neighbors wife now are you? I hope not but I know of many so called Christians that teach this unbiblical view of the scriptures.

JESUS AND THE APOSTLES OBEYED AND TAUGHT THE SABBATH saying...

• It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath - Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
• Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind - Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27
• Jesus is Lord (creator) and owner of the Sabbath - Mark 2:28
• If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest - Hebrews 4
• It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all - James 2:8-12
• Breaking it is sin - 1 John 3:4
• God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded - Revelation 14:12; 22:14; Ezekiel 20:20
• Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath - Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1 Corinthians 11:1; Ephesians 5:1-21; Peter 2:20-22
• The Apostle and disciples all kept the Sabbath after the death and resurrection of Jesus - Acts of the Apostles 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelation 1:10
• Jesus taught that God's people would be still keeping the Sabbath well after the death and resurrection - Matthew 24:20; Mark 13:18.

CONCLUSION: As posted earlier.. there is not a single scripture in all the bible that teaches Gods Sabbath commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. This is simply a man-made teaching and tradition handed down by the early Church after the death and Jesus and the Apostles and against the scriptures.


Take Care

Do you keep kosher as ordained in the Law? Do you refuse to travel to another town on Shabbat? Do you occasionally go into the mikvah for a ritual washing away of sins? Etc.

My point is that the Torah Laws dealing with Shabbat are just one group of the 613 Commandments as found in Torah. Jesus, otoh, said there were only "Two Commandments" his flock were to follow, and I do believe you likely know what those two are, right?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Not at all .... Its not being arrogant to believe what Gods Word says. Its called faith in Gods Word according to the scriptures and that is where Gods salvation is found (see Ephesians 2:8-9 and Romans 10:17 and compare John 3:36). You should try it sometimes then you will have no doubts in what you believe.

It is arrogant to assume you don't make mistakes.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Your response here...

Well aren't you the funny one trying to make what you are posting from say something the post you are responding to never did (strawman). My post is not mistaken at all. Lets take it slowly. What do you think my post you are quoting from is saying to you? You did not read it before responding did you.

I'm keeping you focused on my point. Again, if you are right, all you need to do is supply the verse where keeping the sabbath is identified as the fourth commandment. Go for it.

 

[metis]

Your Messiah has already come and you crucified him.

The Jews did not crucify Jesus.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Sure it is.. What is the 4th commandment in order of how the 10 commandments are written in the Hebrew and any non-Catholic bibles? Sabbath commandment right? YES/NO. Here let me help you as it sounds like you need to go back to your Jewish leanings as you do not know the order of Gods 10 commandments in the Hebrew or non-Catholic bibles. Anyhow this is all a distraction to the OP as shown already in post # 889. Do you have anything constructive to add to the actual OP? I am guessing not.

Have you even opened your Bible to Exodus 20? Because if you did, you would see for yourself that the commandments are not numbered. Catholic Bibles have all the same verses as Protestant Bibles.

 

[metis]

Naa. I know I am right 100% and have no doubts.... My faith and trust is in God and His Word and have studied this topic through...

Frankly, I don't see Jesus' message of "love one another" being reflected in all too many of your posts, as you seem very arrogant and more into yourself. You might consider acting much more humbly and compassionate towards those you may disagree with.

 

[3rdAngel]

It is arrogant to assume you don't make mistakes.

I never said I do not make mistakes. I said I have faith in Gods Word.

 

[3rdAngel]

Do you keep kosher as ordained in the Law? Do you refuse to travel to another town on Shabbat? Do you occasionally go into the mikvah for a ritual washing away of sins? Etc.
My point is that the Torah Laws dealing with Shabbat are just one group of the 613 Commandments as found in Torah. Jesus, otoh, said there were only "Two Commandments" his flock were to follow, and I do believe you likely know what those two are, right?

Well yes I obey Gods dietary laws they were never abolished. As a Christian I go to Jesus who washes away sin to which all these old covenant shadow laws pointed to. My point is that Gods 10 commandments are Gods eternal laws and in the old and new covenants they are Gods standard of good (moral right doing when obeyed) and evil (moral wrong doing when disobeyed); sin (moral wrong doing when disobeyed) and righteousness (moral right doing when obeyed) see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 etc. In Torah Gods 10 commandment are called Gods 10 commandments not the 613 commandments. See Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13; 10:4. Gods eternal laws of good and evil are not the same as Gods shadow laws for atonement that all point to Gods Messiah in Christ.

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: Oh thank you dear friend but I understood what you were saying perfectly the first time but we will have to agree to disagree about your post being reasonable. Why? Firstly, brother, as posted the first time, in the Hebrew and non-Catholic bible, Gods 4th commandment in order of each commandment is the 4th commandment ? YES/NO? Then why pretend you do not know what I am talking about? Secondly, in the very first post of this OP I made clear in case there was any confusion what commandment I was referring to in this OP which was the Sabbath commandment. So there is really no wiggle room for you here. You are simply just being a distraction to the OP and your posts are not reasonable.

Your response here..

I'm keeping you focused on my point. Again, if you are right, all you need to do is supply the verse where keeping the sabbath is identified as the fourth commandment. Go for it.

I think you missed the point. You are making strawman arguments no one is arguing about. That is why I asked you what do you think the post you are responding to is saying?

 

[3rdAngel]

The Jews did not crucify Jesus.

The scriptures teach the Jews organized it with the Romans right?

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: Oh thank you dear friend but I understood what you were saying perfectly the first time but we will have to agree to disagree about your post being reasonable. Why? Firstly, brother, as posted the first time, in the Hebrew and non-Catholic bible, Gods 4th commandment in order of each commandment is the 4th commandment ? YES/NO? Then why pretend you do not know what I am talking about? Secondly, in the very first post of this OP I made clear in case there was any confusion what commandment I was referring to in this OP which was the Sabbath commandment. So there is really no wiggle room for you here. You are simply just being a distraction to the OP and your posts are not reasonable.

Your response here

Have you even opened your Bible to Exodus 20? Because if you did, you would see for yourself that the commandments are not numbered. Catholic Bibles have all the same verses as Protestant Bibles.

Strawman again brother? Who said that the 10 commandments are numbered in the Hebrew and non-Catholic bibles? What is the 4th commandment in order of the 10 commandments. The 10 commandments do have an order though right? What is the 4th commandment in the Hebrew and non-Catholic bibles? Sabbath commandment right? YES/NO. Here let me help you as it sounds like you need to go back to your Jewish leanings as you do not know the order of Gods 10 commandments in the Hebrew or non-Catholic bibles. Anyhow this is all a distraction to the OP as shown already in post # 889. Do you have anything constructive to add to the actual OP? I am guessing not.

 

[3rdAngel]

Frankly, I don't see Jesus' message of "love one another" being reflected in all too many of your posts, as you seem very arrogant and more into yourself. You might consider acting much more humbly and compassionate towards those you may disagree with.

Well that is sad brother because it is love to share the truth of Gods Word right? On the other hand it is also love to believe and obey what Gods Word says according to the scriptures. Our love is expressed in believing and obeying what Gods Word says. see John 14:15; John 15:10; 1 John 5:2-4; Romans 13:8-10; Matthew 22:36-40 and James 2:8-12. Therefore not one of us here can claim to love God or neighbor if we break Gods commandments. Breaking Gods commandments is the very definition of what sin is according to the scriptures and only proves we do not know God see 1 John 3:4; 1 John 2:3-4.

Take Care.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I never said I do not make mistakes. I said I have faith in Gods Word.

Conceding you make mistakes necessarily means that you concede you may be mistaken about the Bible being God's word. If that is not the case, then you are deceiving yourself about your humility.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Your response here..

I think you missed the point. You are making strawman arguments no one is arguing about. That is why I asked you what do you think the post you are responding to is saying?

I'm being very clear what my point is: The Bible, ANY bible, protestant catholic jewish whatever, whether Hebrew or English translation, does NOT NUMBER TYHE COMMANDMENTS, and so you are basically lying when you say the bible identifies keeping the sabbath as the fourth commandment.

I am not going to waver from this topic, despite your continued attempts to switch the subject.

I'm still waiting for you to either supply the verse where it identifies sabbath keeping specifically as teh fourth commandment, or to admit that no such verse exists and that you have been misrepresenting what the bible says.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Who said that the 10 commandments are numbered in the Hebrew and non-Catholic bibles?

You are, every single time you lie and say that the bible identifies sabbath keeping as the fourth commandment.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

What is the 4th commandment in the Hebrew and non-Catholic bibles? Sabbath commandment right? YES/NO.

NO. The fourth commandment is never identified as such.

Either give me the verse where the fourth commandment is explicitly identified, or admit that you have been lying about what the Bible says.

 

[Kenny]

Hey guys

Just wondering where is the scripture that says Gods 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus?

May God bless you as you seek to know Him through His Word.

It was enlarged, IMV. Priests worked on the Sabbath... when was their Sabbath?

 

[Kenny]

The scriptures teach the Jews organized it with the Romans right?

Was Jesus crucified for you sins and my sins (among all others)?

 

[3rdAngel]

Conceding you make mistakes necessarily means that you concede you may be mistaken about the Bible being God's word. If that is not the case, then you are deceiving yourself about your humility.

No not at all. As posted earlier I believe and obey what Gods Word says. Believing and obeying what Gods Word says is the very definition of what faith is (Romans 10:17)