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WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED?

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
AND says absolutely nothing about scripture only...


I have already flat out told you I will not be answering any of your questions until you present the verses that state scripture only.
I mean, i did ask first, so i should be answered first.
You were posted scriptures from Ephesians 2:8 and Romans 10:17 and elsewhere that state we can only be saved and receive Gods salvation and grace by BELIEVING and OBEYING what Gods Word says. If you disagree please go ahead and post the scripture you believe teaches we are saved by faith in the scriptures and something else? You cannot answer my questions because they prove why what you claim is not biblical. see also John 3:36 and compare this with Matthew 7:21-23.
 
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Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Staff member
Premium Member
It is not avoiding anything by answering questions with scripture or asking questions based on the scriptures to help others to understand that their reasoning might be in error and in disagreement with scripture.
I didn't realize I had posted this. I thought I deleted the draft.

But never mind, from my view, and I think any reasonable view, it is avoiding the question with all the appearances of hiding behind the scripture you do post. Is that what you are telling us, by example, how the scriptures should be used?

There is no indication that the reasoning applied to your responses is in any way in error. It is a question and you don't seem to be able to answer it, so we get this dance instead.

From what I have seen, you spend a lot of time cultivating this notion that you the are last stop in interpreting scripture. I must conclude that all these efforts to avoid answering @McBell's question mean you aren't. There are other reasons too, but I digress. You are just another person with another interpretation. I would say that from all I have seen you think yours is the greatest. When I bother to read your posts anymore at all, I wonder if you don't think it is better than the words you interpret.
This is a scripture discussion forum.
It is supposed to be, but you seem to want to avoid the question and not discuss it at all.

Discussion is --><-- and not ----------------->>>>> or else.
Do you want to discuss scripture or have a go at addressing the OP?
I don't want to be used as a foil to continue to let you run from the question asked of you. I don't think God would want you to do it the way you are and He would be better served by the answering correctly and telling @McBell the answer is "No, there are no 'scriptures only' verses in the Bible".

Do continue on though.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
I didn't realize I had posted this. I thought I deleted the draft.
Its ok. Does not really matter to me.
But never mind, from my view, and I think any reasonable view, it is avoiding the question with all the appearances of hiding behind the scripture you do post. Is that what you are telling us, by example, how the scriptures should be used?
Sorry I do not agree with you and I think any honest person that knows their bible would not agree with you either. Be specific and lets talk details. What question do you believe I have avoided and what do you mean that I am hiding behind the scriptures I have posted? Is this not a scripture debate forum or am I in the wrong place?
There is no indication that the reasoning applied to your responses is in any way in error. It is a question and you don't seem to be able to answer it, so we get this dance instead.
Lots of accusation. Lets be specific please and talk detail. Tell me why you believe my posts have not directly answered the other persons questions using scripture? Lets be specific please. Lets see how true your accusations are.
From what I have seen, you spend a lot of time cultivating this notion that you the are last stop in interpreting scripture.
You have made the above statement. Provide your proof please and link me a post where I have ever once said that I am the last stop for interpreting scripture. If I have never made these claims and comments why do you pretend that is what I have said. Is that being honest on your behalf? I have only posted scripture as the standard of what is true and what is not true. Again this is a scripture debate section of the forum is it not? All I seem to be getting here is peoples opinions not based on any scripture arguing against scripture.
I must conclude that all these efforts to avoid answering @McBell's question mean you aren't.
I conclude you are making a lot of false claims you are unable to prove. Please provide me a link where I have not answered your friends questions. Yet in your view when your friend does not answer my questions based on the scriptures that prove what he has said is not biblical is alright in your view? Please forgive me but I do not believe you.
There are other reasons too, but I digress. You are just another person with another interpretation. I would say that from all I have seen you think yours is the greatest. When I bother to read your posts anymore at all, I wonder if you don't think it is better than the words you interpret.
Not really. Just because people have different interpretations of the scriptures does not mean that there is not a correct interpretation of the scriptures and a wrong interpretation of the scriptures.
It is supposed to be, but you seem to want to avoid the question and not discuss it at all.
Seems like more false accusation. Prove it. Post me a link where I did not answer your friends questions? Yet when your friend does not answer my questions that are based on scripture being directly relevant to his questions that is ok with you? Let me know if you would like the links of your friend being unable to answer my scripture based questions. I am happy to provide them for you if you would like them.
Discussion is --><-- and not ----------------->>>>> or else. I don't want to be used as a foil to continue to let you run from the question asked of you. I don't think God would want you to do it the way you are and He would be better served by the answering correctly and telling @McBell the answer is "No, there are no 'scriptures only' verses in the Bible".
Just more empty and untruthful words here already responded to in other sections of this post. You are repeating yourself. Sorry I do not believe you.
 
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Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Staff member
Premium Member
Its ok. Does not really matter to me.

Sorry I do not agree with you and I think any honest person that knows there bible would not agree with you either. Be specific and lets talk details. What question do you believe I have avoided and what do you mean that I am hiding behind the scriptures I have posted? Is this not a scripture debate forum or am I in the wrong place?

Lots of accusation. Lets be specific please and talk detail. Tell me why you believe my posts have not directly answered the other persons questions using scripture? Lets be specific please. Lets see how true your accusations are.

You have made the above statement. Provide your proof please and link me a post where I have ever once said that I am the last stop for interpreting scripture. If I have never made these claims and comments why do you pretend that is what I have said. Is that being honest on your behalf? I have only posted scripture as the standard of what is true and what is not true. Again this is a scripture debate section of the forum is it not? All I seem to be getting here is peoples opinions not based on any scripture arguing against scripture.

I conclude you are making a lot of false claims you are unable to prove. Please provide me a link where I have not answered your friends questions. Yet in your view when your friend does not answer my questions based on the scriptures that prove what he has said is not biblical is alright in your view? Please forgive me but I do not believe you.

Not really. Just because people have different interpretations of the scriptures does not mean that there is not a correct interpretation of the scriptures and a wrong interpretation of the scriptures.

Seems like more false accusation. Prove it. Post me a link where I did not answer your friends questions? Yet when your friend does not answer my questions that are based on scripture being directly relevant to his questions that is ok with you? Let me know if you would like the links of your friend being unable to answer my scripture based questions. I am happy to provide them for you if you would like them.

Just more empty and untruthful words here already responded to in other sections of this post. You are repeating yourself. Sorry I do not believe you.
I'm not really interested in being your foil or discussing anything with you. Long ago realized the futility of that from all I saw.

You have a wonderful day.
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
I asked what the use if it when nobody knows what it means.
Each says " lo here!" And, " lo thrre" , each that
God gave them the " truth ".
Its ridiculous.
Everybody has their own version-the one true
truth. All different. Wny?
You had no answer.

Again, I ask of what use is a book that gives each a different answer?

When a difficult test is given in school, the teacher grading the test will often find a multitude of answers most of which are wrong. But that doesn't mean there isn't a correct answer. Tests aren't democratic. Even if only one person gets the right interpretations it's still right.

The Dunning-Kruger effect affects all areas of cognition to include the interpretation of scripture. But there's a trust-worthy teacher who will be grading our lives just as though they're an exam taken to determine what vocation we will all be best suited for in the world-to-come.

What vocation do you suppose befits the unbelieving doubting Thomasses of the world?



John
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Hey guys

Just wondering where is the scripture that says Gods 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus?

May God bless you as you seek to know Him through His Word.ss
Scripture, in Daniel 7:24-25, states that "another king" following the 10 horns of the 4th kingdom, the Republic of Rome, Constantine, would intend to make alterations in times and in law, which was done in 321 A.C., by Constantine's decree to keep the day of his sun god, Sol Invictus, Sunday, as the day of rest. That would hold until his "dominion", through his Roman church was "taken away" (Daniel 7:26). That Roman/Gentile church would be built on the 2 shepherds/staffs of Zechariah 11:7-17, Peter and Paul, and would be under protection of the "son of man", less the wheat be trampled, until the "end of the age", where upon, the tares, who constitute the Gentile church, would be "gathered" "first" and thrown into the "fire.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
You missed the point, so let me put it another way: Objectively show that the Bhagavad Gita is not "God's Word" but the Bible is.
No problem, if you can tell me what does my yellow tree plumb that I am eating tastes like? Do you understand why I asked that question?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
No problem, if you can tell me what does my yellow tree plumb that I am eating tastes like? Do you understand why I asked that question?

The above makes 0 sense to me and seems to your avoiding dealing with the question. Maybe try again.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
The above makes 0 sense to me and seems to your avoiding dealing with the question. Maybe try again.
Yea you missed the point. I did not think you would understand my question to you which is why I asked you if you know why I asked you this question. I asked this question to you to help answer your earlier question about Hinduism being Gods Word. Just like you cannot tell me what my fruit eating experience tastes like to me, no one can prove to you their experience with God because it is personal. What I can tell you going back to your earlier question is that I have in my past looked at many different types of religions over the years including Hinduism trying to see if God was real or not real. I was an atheist at the time but curious. I have never found God in any of them accept one. I found God in the very last religion I ever expected to find him and that was in the God of the bible (Christianity). I now have no doubt that God is real.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Well, they still have not presented the verses that state scripture only...
Sure I did. You just closed your eyes and ears to them (Isaiah 6:9-10) and do not believe the scriptures I have already provided for you. Lets be honest now. There is no scripture that teaches we are saved by faith in Gods Words and something else right? If there was you would have posted it already.
 

McBell

Unbound
Sure I did. You just closed your eyes and ears to them (Isaiah 6:9-10) and do not believe the scriptures I have already provided for you. Lets be honest now. There is no scripture that teaches we are saved by faith in Gods Words and something else right? If there was you would have posted it already.
We are not talking, have not been, talking about "saved by faith".

We are talking about scriptures that state scripture only.
You have not presented any verses that state scripture only.
You keep preaching about faith instead.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
We are not talking, have not been, talking about "saved by faith".
Well of course we are. That is what the bible is about right? Believing Gods Word leads us to obeying what Gods Word says and believing and obeying what Gods Word says makes us His people and this faith that we are saved by comes from Gods Word (Ephesians 2:8-9; comp. Romans 10:17; see also John 3:36 and compare Matthew 7:21-23; 2 Timothy 3:15; Matthew 4:4). The scriptures are the only test of what is true and what is not true (Romans 3:4; John 17:17) and obeying them is the fruit of someone having genuine saving faith (James 2:13-23; Matthew 7:13-23). That is why this topic is on where is the scripture teach teaches Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. - There is none. Therefore breaking Gods commandments is sin according to the scriptures.
We are talking about scriptures that state scripture only. You have not presented any verses that state scripture only.
Already posted for you but you did not believe them. Lets be honest now. There is no scripture that teaches we are saved by faith in Gods Words and something else right? If there was you would have posted it already.
You keep preaching about faith instead.
Faith in Gods Word is how we are saved from our sins so that we can follow what God tells us do to in His Word.
 
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McBell

Unbound
Well of course we are. That is what the bible is about right? Believing Gods Word leads us to obeying what Gods Word says and believing and obeying what Gods Word says makes us His people and this faith that we are saved by comes from Gods Word (Ephesians 2:8-9; comp. Romans 10:17; see also John 3:36 and compare Matthew 7:21-23; 2 Timothy 3:15; Matthew 4:4).

Already posted for you but you did not believe them. Lets be honest now. There is no scripture that teaches we are saved by faith in Gods Words and something else right? If there was you would have posted it already.

Faith in Gods Word is how we are saved from our sins so that we can follow what God tells us do to in His Word.
You have not presented any verses that state scripture only.
Period.
It is because there are no verses that state scripture only.

Your faith sermons are nothing more than a sad attempt at distracting from the fact that you can not present scripture only verses.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
You have not presented any verses that state scripture only. Period. It is because there are no verses that state scripture only.
Already posted for you but you did not believe them. Lets be honest now. There is no scripture that teaches we are saved by faith in Gods Words and something else right? We are saved by Gods grace that we receive through faith that comes from Gods Word (Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 10:17) that Jesus says we are to live by in Matthew 4:4 and that is the only standard of what is true and what is not true in John 17:17 and Romans 3:4. There is no scripture that teaches we are saved by faith and something else or you would have already posted that scripture but instead you post your words in disagreement with Gods Word that teaches there is no salvation outside of believing and obeying what Gods Word says.
Your faith sermons are nothing more than a sad attempt at distracting from the fact that you can not present scripture only verses.
The only rule of faith is Gods Word because it is the standard of what is right and what is wrong and what is true and what is not true (see John 17:17; Romans 3:4; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; Psalms 119:172). According to the scriptures we are saved by Gods grace that we receive through faith and this faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God (Ephesians 2:8-9 and Romans 10:17. Believing Gods Word leads us to obeying what Gods Word says and believing and obeying what Gods Word says makes us His people and this faith that we are saved by comes from Gods Word (Ephesians 2:8-9; comp. Romans 10:17; see also John 3:36 and compare Matthew 7:21-23; 2 Timothy 3:15; Matthew 4:4). The scriptures are the only test of what is true and what is not true (Romans 3:4; John 17:17) and obeying them is the fruit of someone having genuine saving faith (James 2:13-23; Matthew 7:13-23). That is why this topic is on where is the scripture teach teaches Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. - There is none. Therefore breaking Gods commandments is sin according to the scriptures (James 2:10-11 compare 1 John 3:4 and 1 John 2:3-4).
 
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McBell

Unbound
Already posted for you but you did not believe them. Lets be honest now. There is no scripture that teaches we are saved by faith in Gods Words and something else right? If there was you would have posted it already.

The only rule of faith is Gods Word because it is the standard of what is true and what is not true (see John 17:17; Romans 3:4). According to the scriptures we are saved by Gods grace that we receive through faith and this faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God (Ephesians 2:8-9 and Romans 10:17. Believing Gods Word leads us to obeying what Gods Word says and believing and obeying what Gods Word says makes us His people and this faith that we are saved by comes from Gods Word (Ephesians 2:8-9; comp. Romans 10:17; see also John 3:36 and compare Matthew 7:21-23; 2 Timothy 3:15; Matthew 4:4). The scriptures are the only test of what is true and what is not true (Romans 3:4; John 17:17) and obeying them is the fruit of someone having genuine saving faith (James 2:13-23; Matthew 7:13-23). That is why this topic is on where is the scripture teach teaches Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. - There is none. Therefore breaking Gods commandments is sin according to the scriptures.
And yet another sermon that does not present a single verse that states scripture only...
 
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