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Which existed first "something" or "nothing"?

Deathbydefault

Deathbydefault

Apistevist Asexual Atheist
Thief said:
Regression is a simple line of thought.
reduce each generation.....someone had to be first.
reduce every spirit....Someone had to be First.
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That's an extremely less complex way of explaining something that is quite difficult to prove.
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Thief said:
well not necessarily the God of Moses.....
but I happen to lean that way.

Moses did ask....the people will want to know Whose law this is.....

and God said....Tell them....I AM!
and they that understand will know Whose law this is.

I think of that God as Creator.
so of course....God did it.
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Why do you "think of that God as creator?"
 
gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
Thief said:
faith requires no proving....see Webster's.
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You're right, faith requires no proving...

...that's because it is called SUPERSTITION!

Crazy primitive people believe in all sort of thing that defy the law of nature. Unfortunately, people in this day and age still believe in superstition.
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Thief said:
faith requires no proving....see Webster's.

and I believe in cause and effect....
I suppose you do not.
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Believing in cause and effect shouldn't get you to God. It merely gets you to a cause of some kind ... in this case, that we don't yet know much about.
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Thief said:
Regression is a simple line of thought.
reduce each generation.....someone had to be first.
reduce every spirit....Someone had to be First.
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This still doesn't get you to God. It gets you to the first human (I'm assuming). Before that it could have been more primitive primates (unless you believe that primates have souls too).
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Thief said:
multiple creations?.....
If the condensing theory holds....sure, why not...

But current observations hold the universe is expanding....and gaining SPEED!!!!!

it seems the current mode of reality will spread itself to extremes and fade into that Dark Energy
which science strongly suspects is there....
but can't prove it!!!!!!!
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Yes....creation of forms is without beginning or end...man, stars, galaxies, universes....

The expanding universe theory does not preclude the existence of other universes in time or space.....and there is some astronomical evidence for adjacent universes in the form of dark energy flowing in a direction not in correspondence with the expansion,model as if it is being drawn by the gravity of an nearby universe.....

It's still early days in the science of humanity on this planet.....I would not get too excited yet about the present theories....they are bound to change as more evidence comes in.....one day science will discover the proof of the existence of the Divine nature of existence...but don't hold your breath...
 
Pudding

Pudding

Well-Known Member
Thief said:
faith requires no proving....see Webster's.

and I believe in cause and effect....
I suppose you do not.
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When the faith is only personal then it indeed does not need proving.

When a person wants to convince others that the claims of his faith(God exists) is real so they should believe/obey to his God, then he need to prove the claims of his faith is real.

Cause and effect doesn't prove which religion's god is the real god/creator or that they really exists.
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Pudding

Pudding

Well-Known Member
Thief said:
Regression is a simple line of thought.
reduce each generation.....someone had to be first.
reduce every spirit....Someone had to be First.
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Something had to be first, so God exist.
Is that God to be religion a's God A, or b's God B, or c/d/e...etc's God C/D/E...etc?

Disbelieve/disobey to them? Then you'll receive bad consequences. Luckily not all of them is threatening non-believer to believe/obey them.
 
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Pudding

Pudding

Well-Known Member
paarsurrey said:
The obvious is that G-d authored Quran and it was recited to Muhammad. There is no other claimant with reasons and arguments comparable with Quran.
Regards
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This statement can equally be apply to any religion's God/prophet/holy book, it's unconvincing.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Pudding said:
When faith is only personal then it indeed does not need proving.

When you need to convince others that your faith is real so they should believe and obey to your God then you need to prove your faith is real.

Cause and effect doesn't prove which religion's god is the real god/creator or that they really exists.
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If you're waiting for proof you will wait a long time.
you have to think about it.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
ben d said:
Yes....creation of forms is without beginning or end...man, stars, galaxies, universes....

The expanding universe theory does not preclude the existence of other universes in time or space.....and there is some astronomical evidence for adjacent universes in the form of dark energy flowing in a direction not in correspondence with the expansion,model as if it is being drawn by the gravity of an nearby universe.....

It's still early days in the science of humanity on this planet.....I would not get too excited yet about the present theories....they are bound to change as more evidence comes in.....one day science will discover the proof of the existence of the Divine nature of existence...but don't hold your breath...
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and I anticipate losing mine.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
leibowde84 said:
This still doesn't get you to God. It gets you to the first human (I'm assuming). Before that it could have been more primitive primates (unless you believe that primates have souls too).
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three lines of post...not two....
try again
 
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