Which existed first "something" or "nothing"?

[Pudding]

now you're getting it.

No proof, or proof is weak/unconvincing, then i don't believe in God.

 

[leibowde84]

read it again.

third line.

This seems like more gibberish. Can you explain in an understandable way?

 

[leibowde84]

here you go

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I guess you didn't understand my question. Why do you jump to God as having to be the initial cause?

 

[Thief]

I guess you didn't understand my question. Why do you jump to God as having to be the initial cause?

I guess you can't follow the quotes

 

[Ben Dhyan]

and I anticipate losing mine.

...it was never really yours' to lose....

 

[leibowde84]

I guess you can't follow the quotes

No, I'm just pointing out that you are making an unsupported claim that, assuming there was an initial cause/creator, it necessarily must have been the God of the Bible.

 

[Thief]

...it was never really yours' to lose....

gotcha.....the Lord gives....
The Lord takes away.

 

[Thief]

Even outside of an evidenced standpoint, it simply does not hold much weight in an argument.
It isn't a matter of whether or not I want to accept it, I don't because it is wise not to.

If you want to present it further you would need to provide some form of evidence, though, that they are one in the same mind.
Use a "holy" book if you so please, I have not seen, nor do I recall seeing anything that would uphold the claim that God and his supposed son, Jesus, have the exact same mindset.

So you haven't read the gospels?
I saw enough to point the direction.
If you choose another path....good luck.

and if you see the Carpenter before I do......good luck again.

 

[Deathbydefault]

So you haven't read the gospels?
I saw enough to point the direction.
If you choose another path....good luck.

and if you see the Carpenter before I do......good luck again.

I have indeed.
Though, I remember almost none of it, lol.

Please elaborate on where in the Gospel accounts that it is stated Jesus and God share the same mind.
It would be best if it was a verse that is difficult to misinterpret, as I do not want to argue verses.

 

[Thief]

I have indeed.
Though, I remember almost none of it, lol.

Please elaborate on where in the Gospel accounts that it is stated Jesus and God share the same mind.
It would be best if it was a verse that is difficult to misinterpret, as I do not want to argue verses.

then I will relate by what I recall.

If you know Me....you know MY Father.

 

[Deathbydefault]

then I will relate by what I recall.

If you know Me....you know MY Father.

Was that not because Jesus was Gods catalyst? As were other prophets.

 

[Thief]

Was that not because Jesus was Gods catalyst? As were other prophets.

a prophet.... before.....his God?

not buying that.

 

[Demonslayer]

No, I'm just pointing out that you are making an unsupported claim that, assuming there was an initial cause/creator, it necessarily must have been the God of the Bible.

I've heard something can't just appear from nothing, so if God created everything, God himself couldn't have come from nothing, something had to create Him.

Therefore I believe in SuperGod. SuperGod created God, then God created everything, problem solved.

 

[Deathbydefault]

No, I'm just pointing out that you are making an unsupported claim that, assuming there was an initial cause/creator, it necessarily must have been the God of the Bible.

I've heard something can't just appear from nothing, so if God created everything, God himself couldn't have come from nothing, something had to create Him.

Therefore I believe in SuperGod. SuperGod created God, then God created everything, problem solved.

Ah, but what created SuperGod?
I say it was MegaUltraGod.

 

[Thief]

the hall of mirrors trick doesn't really work.....

 

[Demonslayer]

Ah, but what created SuperGod?

Wha...I never thought of that, thanks a lot for shooting holes in my theory. Oh well, back to the drawing board.

I say it was MegaUltraGod.

This is entirely possible, I'm going to have to give this careful consideration.

 

[viole]

or none of them unless the ONE who created/evolved them communicates and informs us which one.
Topic open for Theists and Atheists alike.

Regards

Nothing, necessarily.

If something was first, then nothing was before it, by definition, which invalidates the premise that someting was first.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Guy Threepwood]

No, I'm just pointing out that you are making an unsupported claim that, assuming there was an initial cause/creator, it necessarily must have been the God of the Bible.

.

The Bible is the most popular, inspiring, influential book in the history of humanity, providing a foundation for modern morals and civilization as we know them-
That's hardly inconsistent with a divine creation.

 

[paarsurrey]

Nothing, necessarily.

If something was first, then nothing was before it, by definition, which invalidates the premise that someting was first.

Ciao

- viole

A great If.

If "nothing" was first, then it will remain first and cannot result to "something". Right?
Regards

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Ah, but what created SuperGod?

Wha...I never thought of that, thanks a lot for shooting holes in my theory. Oh well, back to the drawing board.

I say it was MegaUltraGod.

This is entirely possible, I'm going to have to give this careful consideration.

You were on the right track when you noted...."God himself couldn't have come from nothing,....."....God absolute is a concept to represent the underlying eternal unity of all existence that is without beginning or end...all so called creation is its manifestation of change which is also without beginning or end....