Which prophecies did Jesus fulfill as to be the Messiah?

[CMike]

Very creative but it has nothing to do with the prophesies.

Far too ambiguous.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Very creative but it has nothing to do with the prophesies.

Far too ambiguous.

That's my point. There is no such thing as an unambiguous piece of language, much less an unambiguous prophecy.

It's why I say that those who are certain either way about Jesus and fulfillment... those people seem to be suffering some confusion about how language and thought really work.

 

[CMike]

That's my point. There is no such thing as an unambiguous piece of language, much less an unambiguous prophecy.

It's why I say that those who are certain either way about Jesus and fulfillment... those people seem to be suffering some confusion about how language and thought really work.

The prophesies are not ambiguous. They mean what they mean.

Trying to twist and turn them to fit your beliefs is disingenious.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

The prophesies are not ambiguous. They mean what they mean.

You're mistaken. There are no such things as words which 'mean what they mean.' That's a confusion about language and how it works. All words must be studied and their meaning guessed at by individual human minds.

I'll be happy to say more, but only if you ask.

Trying to twist and turn them to fit your beliefs is disingenious.

Sure. The other guy is twisting the words if he disagrees with us about the clear meaning. It's just the way most human minds think of language. Most especially 'people of the Book.'

 

[Me Myself]

Many swords have been beaten into plowshares, and spears into pruning hooks. I could go out and fulfill this one in Jesus' name tomorrow. Just a visit to a blacksmith.

So far as I know, no nation uses swords anymore to make war against other nations, although I'm not sure if that's Jesus' fault. But I can make a good case for it if you like.

As for 'they shall not learn war', that's obviously figurative language. The prophesy is about spiritual, ideological warfare, in the style of the Cold War except on steriods, and no nations have been doing that for centuries now. Christianity infused itself into every nation and put a stop to that.

Wow, thats one big reinvention.

You decided it meant ideological warfare all by yourself.

First of all none of these things happened in the time of Jesus, so they are useless as a sign.

Second of all, even with religus warfare, it still happened plenty of time after Jesus dead, from the catholic church, from the muslims and others.

 

[Me Myself]

A lot of wars included swords even more than a thousands years later of Jesus demise.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Wow, thats one big reinvention.

Thanks, but it really took no effort at all.

You decided it meant ideological warfare all by yourself.

Obviously. What do you do? Abide by the majority opinion of some particular group as to whether a bit of language is literal or figurative?

First of all none of these things happened in the time of Jesus, so they are useless as a sign.

Ah. So you insist that all prophecies must have come to fruition before Jesus died? Di you decide that all by yourself?

Anyway, I can easily show that they all happened before Jesus died if you like. I didn't realize that was your personal interpretation of things.

Second of all, even with religus warfare, it still happened plenty of time after Jesus dead, from the catholic church, from the muslims and others.

Sorry but I can't really follow what you're saying here.

 

[CMike]

So basically what you are saying is that jesus didn't fulfill any of the prophesies.

Thanks.

 

[CMike]

A lot of wars included swords even more than a thousands years later of Jesus demise.

Excellent point.

Even right after jesus people still used swords in war. Therefore, that prophesy still wasn't fulfilled using such an amiguous twisting.

 

[Sleeppy]

Cursed?? Where do you get that from? The land of Israel is blessed. How else can you explain how tiny Israel defeated five combined armies of the arabs, not once but several times? How does Israel make the desert bloom when for everyone else, it was a waste land? Israel is a miracle and continues to be blessed.

Malachi 4:5-6.. Can you show me where you get your translations?

 

[Sleeppy]

I don't know of any within Judaism. Please list a few.

List those of Christianity, to help me out.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

So basically what you are saying is that jesus didn't fulfill any of the prophesies.

Thanks.

I don't know who said that Jesus didn't fulfill any of the prophesies, but I have just now proven that he did indeed fulfill them.

Let me know if you want more information about the fulfillments.

 

[Shermana]

A lot of wars included swords even more than a thousands years later of Jesus demise.

Yep. The end of all wars will culminate after the ages are done. It's like the cherry on the Sundae. It's the Happy ending after a great period of Tribulation. After all the world not only believes in the Abrahamic god, but accepts one united version of his will and ideals.

The problem is that the Rabbis want you to believe it happens all at once. It's as if they can't possibly fathom the idea that it's a series of stages that culminates into something. To call anything less than instantaneous, spontaneous conclusion of the matter "Ambiguous twisting" I'd think is in itself, ambiguous twisting. Do you really think the concept was that it happens all at once? Where does the text remotely indicate that?

Obviously apparently even the Granddaddy of the Talmud didn't believe this would be the case. Did he actually believe world peace would be ushered by Bar Kokhba winning against the Romans or something?

 

[Sleeppy]

Yep. The end of all wars will culminate after the ages are done. It's like the cherry on the Sundae. It's the Happy ending after a great period of Tribulation. After all the world not only believes in the Abrahamic god, but accepts one united version of his will and ideals.

The problem is that the Rabbis want you to believe it happens all at once. It's as if they can't possibly fathom the idea that it's a series of stages that culminates into something.

Exactly.

 

[CMike]

I don't know who said that Jesus didn't fulfill any of the prophesies, but I have just now proven that he did indeed fulfill them.

Let me know if you want more information about the fulfillments.

On what planet did you do so?

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

On what planet did you do so?

Planet Truth, of course. All other worlds are alien to me.

 

[Flankerl]

In itself this thread doesnt make any sense at all.

For christians it doesnt matter if their Jesus didnt fulfill a single prophecy. He will return afterall and fulfill them then.

Its the ultimate Plan B. Plan B also can never fail even if they find a guy named Jesus and he dies again.
Plan B simply repeats itself and suddenly a third coming is born.

Once you start with this your religion will never die.


Smart people those christians.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

In itself this thread doesnt make any sense at all.

For christians it doesnt matter if their Jesus didnt fulfill a single prophecy. He will return afterall and fulfill them then.

Its the ultimate Plan B. Plan B also can never fail even if they find a guy named Jesus and he dies again.
Plan B simply repeats itself and suddenly a third coming is born.

Once you start with this your religion will never die.

Smart people those christians.

In theological matters, it's quite easy to make oneself uncornerable.

 

[CMike]

Planet Truth, of course. All other worlds are alien to me.

You got it backwards.

At least you thereby acknowledge that he didn't fulfill any of the listed prophesies.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

You got it backwards.

At least you thereby acknowledge that he didn't fulfill any of the listed prophesies.

Jesus fulfilled all the messianic prophecies... as I've clearly demonstrated and even proven here in this thread.

If you disagree, please try to argue against what I've posted.