Who caused Satan or the devil rebel

[gnostic]

How is God Not being able to lie, steal, cheat, be unjust, Not make you do things against your will, mean God is imperfect ?
Those powerful good qualities are in perfect balance with perfect justice.

Is it "perfect justice" when God had David's son by Bathsheba died for David's sin?

He not only committed adultery, but arranged so that Bathsheba's husband was killed in battle. And yet, it was the infant, who pay the price for the father's sin.

If I remember correctly, a son can't inherit the father's sin, but with the story of David and Bathsheba, it is a contradiction. If God was truly just, then David should have died, not his son.

That doesn't sound like perfect justice to me.

 

[JoStories]

What about what the Bible really teaches. Who teaches ' going to hell ' but Christendom which is so-called Christianity in name only.
Can you think of anyone righteous that went to hell ?______
Why did the dead Jesus ' go to hell '? - Acts 2 vs 27,31,32; Psalm 16:10
Jesus went to biblical hell because the Bible's hell is just mankind's temporary stone-cold common grave.
What did Jesus teach about being dead at John 11 vs 11-14 - but that the dead are in a sleep-like state.
Jesus' teachings are in harmony with Psalms 6:5; 13:3; 115:15; 146:4 which also teaches sleep in death.
Doesn't Ecclesiastes 9:5 say the dead know nothing ?_______
So, while Jesus was in hell (grave ) then Jesus knew nothing until God resurrected Jesus out of hell - Acts 3:15; 13 vs 30,37
Jesus now has the keys to unlock the Bible's temporary hell or grave - see Revelation 1:18
What happens to the Bible's hell according to Rev. 20 vs 13,14 but that everyone in hell is ' delivered up ' meaning resurrected out of hell, then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into that symbolic ' second death ' for vacated hell.
The Bible's temporary hell or grave comes to a final end. Enemy death will be brought to nothing - see 1st Cor. 15:26
So, as per the Bible, a person is going to a temporary biblical hell (the grave ) just because he has died and awaits a resurrection.
Some resurrected to heaven - Rev. 20:6. Most or the majority of mankind will have a healthy physical resurrection back to life on earth starting with Jesus' coming 1000-year kingdom rule over earth. That is why Acts 24:15 uses the ' future tense ' that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection.....

There is free will because God gave that gift to all.
The all-knowing God chooses to give us choices such as found at Deut. 30:19
If God gave us No choice then one could say he was forced by God to worship and obey Him.
In His all-knowing wisdom God knows Not to force or bully anyone, but cruel people will judged as Not being worthy of inheriting the earth as Psalm 37 vs 11,29,38 mentions. Wicked people will be: destroyed forever - Psalm 92:7 - Not roasted forever.

I understand this is what you believe but please try to understand that using the Bible, at least for me, proves very little. I do not believe that the Bible is divine or even much more than a good teaching tool but that it has little in the way of accurate historical information within. I can hear the conviction in your response that you firmly believe this but in order for me to believe this, I would have to accept that Jesus was a real person, that he was the son of God, and much more. And bottom line is I do not. There is not enough evidence to prove that Christ truly lived, (Yes, I think there may have been a man called Jesus but that he was simply that, a man), and posting Biblical verse does not convince me because of my disbelief. I am in no way saying that I am right or you are wrong. I simply am stating that we believe two very different sets of things with regard to religion and God.

 

[JoStories]

Thank you for your reply. I am so sorry that you had such a horrific experience.
I hope you can find comfort in the words of Jesus at Revelation 21:5 that God will make all things new.
' all things new ' will happen on earth during Jesus' coming 1000-year kingdom rule over earth. - Psalm 72 vs 8,12-14

How can a child or anyone choose the life we need to learn from ?
If a person was a failure in school, does that automatically mean that person's child would also be a failure in school ?

If a person was having marital problems surely they would Not turn to the happiest couple they know for help, but logically they would go to someone who was in the ' same boat ' so to speak, at one time or another.

Damage to the emotional system apparently does Not now go away, but it's the learning to live with it.
One in such a damaged situation can support and guide any person to deal with getting past the far side of grief.
Just as another person can aid another in a different situation.

The idea of the Karma concept apparently holds out No hope of stopping bad things from happening or re-cycling.
That is just so far different from what the Bible really teaches.
Adam lost a beautiful paradisaic earth for us.
If Adam had Not broken God's law then Adam would still be healthy alive on earth today and earth would be like the Garden of Eden.
Death was the penalty for breaking the law. No postmortem penalty, just the returning to the dust of the ground - Gen. 3:19
In other words, - Romans 6:7 - people do Not keep on paying for sins after death.
Death, so to speak, wipes the slate clean. Not meaning now innocent, but as a governor can pardon a person so the crime charges do Not stick, Jesus can pardon a person so the sin charges No longer stick, No re-cycling of suffering.
During Jesus' millennium-long day of ruling over earth according to Revelation 22:2 all nations of earth will be blessed.
Blessed with the healing or curing of earth's nations, thus all things will be new.
What father Adam lost for us Jesus will make new as Eden was new.

I strongly disagree with you here. What I have been trying to say is that a person chooses what they wish to experience in the next life. In that sense, yes, a soul can choose to die as a child. Consider the following. The world learned from the Holocaust. Granted, it was an extremely powerful lesson, but is it not possible that God needed to teach the world how terrible and wrongheaded that racism and bigotry is and in doing so, in teaching that lesson, God set in motion the Holocaust where millions of men, women and children died horrifically. If one has not learned from that time era, they are dead from the head down. In this example, a soul can choose to be a part of that lesson, no matter how horrible.

About your example of the couple having trouble, when my first husband was beating the snot out of me, do you really think that going to a couple enduring the same thing would have helped? Hell no. I needed someone to protect me and find a way out of that situation. And I did.

You seem to have karma very wrong, IMO. It is NOT about a loss of hope. It is about enlightenment. IOW, growing from each life. In this life, I have learned, from very extremely difficult lessons, the horror of loss. A child, my partner, and a whole lot more. I chose to experience this as a lesson in what that means. What I believed I had lost was not real as it was transitory. What was real was the experience and the beauty of the relationships I had. Nothing lives forever and learning that, one can learn to value and even cherish every single day they have with a loved one.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Yipes ! Were did you read in Scripture that God will have the vast majority of souls damned to hell ?
Jesus' ransom covers MANY according to Matthew 20:28. Many would be the majority of mankind that ever lived since Abel would be covered by Jesus' ransom.
No one is damned to hell because the Bible's hell comes to a final end according to Revelation 20 vs 13,14
Was righteous Jesus damned to hell ?_______ According to Scripture the dead Jesus went to hell the day he died - Acts 2:27
Since Jesus taught ' sleep in death ' - John 11 vs 11-14 - then while in the Bible's hell Jesus would have been in a sleep-like state.
Jesus knew the old Hebrew Scriptures which also teach: sleep in death.
Reference verses: Psalms 6:5; 13:3; 115:17; 146:4 Daniel 12 vs 2, 13; Ecclesiastes 9:5
Jesus has the keys to unlock hell which is the Bible's grave - Rev. 1:18. After everyone in the Bible's hell is ' delivered up' meaning resurrected out of hell, then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into a symbolic ' second death ' for vacated hell. - Rev. 20 vs 13,14

Depending on which denomination you ask it varies but the in Catholicism all non-Catholics are damned the hell except in special cases. The vast majority of the world is non-Catholic.

Depending on which protestant church you ask its even higher.

Which rule or principle had nothing to do with the Golden Rule?
Even Jesus ' new ' commandment of John 13vs 34,35 to have self-sacrificing love for others embodies the Golden Rule.
Remember the Constitution of that old Mosaic Law was only for one nation. That singled out nation was only ancient Israel.
How was Buddha's or Potters' message better than Jesus message ?
Yes, his broad message - Luke 4:43 - was good. That is why Jesus said to carry that message for our day at Matthew 24:14

The rules that say that homosexuality is wrong is a good example. I'm not a homosexual myself but I have no need to follow or uphold this moral principle which is advocated multiple times in the bible. There are several others but I don't think its really fruitful to simply list off all non-secular moral aspects of the bible.

Shifting or slanting the topic is OK with me if OK with you. Could we say it is evolving ?

What is evolving?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Depending on which denomination you ask it varies but the in Catholicism all non-Catholics are damned the hell except in special cases. The vast majority of the world is non-Catholic.
Depending on which protestant church you ask its even higher.
The rules that say that homosexuality is wrong is a good example. I'm not a homosexual myself but I have no need to follow or uphold this moral principle which is advocated multiple times in the bible. There are several others but I don't think its really fruitful to simply list off all non-secular moral aspects of the bible.
What is evolving?

Just meant evolving as in a somewhat shift of topic.
Denomination does Not mean that is what the Bible really teaches.
Especially when the Jews mixed with the Greeks they adopted Greek religious-myth ideas and philosophies as Scripture.
What the religious realm often teaches about ' hell ' is Not the hell of Scripture, but a non-biblical hell just taught as Scripture.
The Bible's hell is simply the grave where the unconscious dead are in a deep sleep-like state.
Jesus taught sleep in death - John 11 vs11-14 - as do the old Hebrew Scriptures - Psalms 115:17; 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5
No one is damned to hell. When righteous Jesus died and went to hell Jesus was Not damned but just dead asleep.
If those in hell were damned to hell then even Jesus would still be in hell.
The Bible's definition of the lake of fire is No any hell but defined as ' second death '. - Rev. 20 vs 13.14
Since the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalm 92:7 - then ' second death ' is a filling term for destruction.
That is why Hebrews 2:14 B says about Jesus that he will destroy Satan. Not send Satan to hell.
Satan was never in biblical hell and never will be. Satan ends up in the destruction of ' second death ' - Rev. 21:8

Yes, God's moral standards is that ' fornication ' is wrong for all people. That includes homosexuals or otherwise.
A person can choose to commit fornication or not, whether homosexual or not.
Regardless of a person's sexual inclinations fornication is an unscriptural act.
The English word fornication comes from the Greek word porneia.
Porneia covers even having sex with an animal as Not acceptable behavior.
There is No outright Scripture saying God will judge liars, or thieves, but Hebrews 13:4 B outright says God will judge fornicators.
We can all use our free-will choices to follow or uphold God's view of fornication or not.
So, those who are practicing fornication at the soon coming ' time of separation ' on earth - Matthew 25 vs 31,32 - will be adversely judged by God as being classed as one of the haughty ' goats ' instead of the humble ' sheep'-like ones.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Is it "perfect justice" when God had David's son by Bathsheba died for David's sin?
He not only committed adultery, but arranged so that Bathsheba's husband was killed in battle. And yet, it was the infant, who pay the price for the father's sin.
If I remember correctly, a son can't inherit the father's sin, but with the story of David and Bathsheba, it is a contradiction. If God was truly just, then David should have died, not his son.
That doesn't sound like perfect justice to me.

Yes, under the Constitution of the Mosaic Law David's gross sins were guilty of a capital offense.
Since God can read hearts and we can Not, there was something in Davids' repentance - Psalm 51 - that God saw fit to show mercy.
Also, under the Law if a woman did Not scream she was also considered as guilty.
There is No record of Bath-sheba resiting David, thus under the Law she would also be guilty of a capital offense if judged by human judges. Under the Law both Bath-sheba and her unborn would have died together. Since God stepped in to deal with this case Himself mercy was also shown to Bath-sheba. God's justice was tempered with mercy.
Although their infant died it was Not that he inherited David's and Bath-sheba's sin.
Also, please remember Romans 6:7 that the one who has died is freed or acquitted from sin.
Like David - Acts 2:34 - who did Not ascend to heaven, David, Bath-sheba and their infant son, ( and Uriah ) will have a healthy physical resurrection on earth which will take place on earth during Jesus' coming 1000-year kingdom reign over earth.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I strongly disagree with you here. What I have been trying to say is that a person chooses what they wish to experience in the next life. In that sense, yes, a soul can choose to die as a child. Consider the following. The world learned from the Holocaust. Granted, it was an extremely powerful lesson, but is it not possible that God needed to teach the world how terrible and wrongheaded that racism and bigotry is and in doing so, in teaching that lesson, God set in motion the Holocaust where millions of men, women and children died horrifically. If one has not learned from that time era, they are dead from the head down. In this example, a soul can choose to be a part of that lesson, no matter how horrible.
About your example of the couple having trouble, when my first husband was beating the snot out of me, do you really think that going to a couple enduring the same thing would have helped? Hell no. I needed someone to protect me and find a way out of that situation. And I did.
You seem to have karma very wrong, IMO. It is NOT about a loss of hope. It is about enlightenment. IOW, growing from each life. In this life, I have learned, from very extremely difficult lessons, the horror of loss. A child, my partner, and a whole lot more. I chose to experience this as a lesson in what that means. What I believed I had lost was not real as it was transitory. What was real was the experience and the beauty of the relationships I had. Nothing lives forever and learning that, one can learn to value and even cherish every single day they have with a loved one.

How do you know there is a ' next life ' ?
How do you know God ' set in motion ' the Holocaust and Not wicked men ?
If Jesus did Not exist as Scripture says, how do you know God exists ?
How do you know a soul is immortal ?
If nothing lives forever, than how can a soul be death proof ?

I am sorry and I want to apologize as that I never was talking about abuse cases as being the same thing as a couple having trouble.
No one should stand for abuse. I was taught at the first strike or hit a person should quickly run outside and yell LOUD for the police.
That is Not meant to be the same advice as running to a couple having troubles.
I know of one case where the wife got in her car and drove 400 miles to where her college friend had moved and moved there herself.
Her first child only lived 28 hours, plus her second child was not yet school age when she took off getting far away from abuse.

When you mentioned that I have karma very wrong, what about what you might have wrong about the Bible ?
No where does the Bible teach that Adam had a soul, or Adam possessed a soul, rather Adam was a living soul.- Gen. 2:7
Adam had No pre-human life. Adam went from non-life, to life, returned to non-life
A person can Not ' return' to a place he never was before. Adam simply returned back to the dust of the ground - Gen. 3:19
Adam was a sinner, and according to Ezekiel 18 vs 4,20, the soul that sins dies.

 

[JoStories]

How do you know there is a ' next life ' ?
How do you know God ' set in motion ' the Holocaust and Not wicked men ?
If Jesus did Not exist as Scripture says, how do you know God exists ?
How do you know a soul is immortal ?
If nothing lives forever, than how can a soul be death proof ?

I am sorry and I want to apologize as that I never was talking about abuse cases as being the same thing as a couple having trouble.
No one should stand for abuse. I was taught at the first strike or hit a person should quickly run outside and yell LOUD for the police.
That is Not meant to be the same advice as running to a couple having troubles.
I know of one case where the wife got in her car and drove 400 miles to where her college friend had moved and moved there herself.
Her first child only lived 28 hours, plus her second child was not yet school age when she took off getting far away from abuse.

When you mentioned that I have karma very wrong, what about what you might have wrong about the Bible ?
No where does the Bible teach that Adam had a soul, or Adam possessed a soul, rather Adam was a living soul.- Gen. 2:7
Adam had No pre-human life. Adam went from non-life, to life, returned to non-life
A person can Not ' return' to a place he never was before. Adam simply returned back to the dust of the ground - Gen. 3:19
Adam was a sinner, and according to Ezekiel 18 vs 4,20, the soul that sins dies.

How do I know there is a next life? I know from subjective life experience in this life, which I will assume you don't believe but that ok. I know about the past lives I have had.

How do I know God set in motion things like the holocaust? Short answer, I dont. But let me ask you this? I assume you believe in an all knowing God full of compassion and love? Would you care to explain why God would allow such a thing as the holocaust?

IMO, jesus is vastly different from God. Of course, if I am not mistaken, you believe they are one and the same or part of a trinity. I don't. I view jesus much the same as Lao Tze, the Buddha, Gandhi, Thomas Merton, and many more.

I don't know a out is immortal. I believe it is. Don't you believe in life after death where you go to heaven and so on? What is the difference? Your last question is the same answer.

I know you think I have the bible wrong, but let me ask you this....you can prove this? I freely admit I could easily be very wrong in my beliefs because they are just that; beliefs. Are you willing to do the same?

 

[gnostic]

Although their infant died it was Not that he inherited David's and Bath-sheba's sin.

But the infant did pay the price for their sins, even though the child committed no sin whatsoever.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

But the infant did pay the price for their sins, even though the child committed no sin whatsoever.

We live in different times of course. Since under that Law only for ancient Israel, pregnant Bath-sheba would have been put to death. The unborn would have also died with her. Like innocent babies that die today, when their parents are resurrected, or restored back to healthy physical life on earth under Jesus 1000-year kingdom rule over earth, then David and Bath-sheba son will also be brought back to enjoy life on earth again.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

How do I know there is a next life? I know from subjective life experience in this life, which I will assume you don't believe but that ok. I know about the past lives I have had.
How do I know God set in motion things like the holocaust? Short answer, I dont. But let me ask you this? I assume you believe in an all knowing God full of compassion and love? Would you care to explain why God would allow such a thing as the holocaust?
IMO, jesus is vastly different from God. Of course, if I am not mistaken, you believe they are one and the same or part of a trinity. I don't. I view jesus much the same as Lao Tze, the Buddha, Gandhi, Thomas Merton, and many more.
I don't know a out is immortal. I believe it is. Don't you believe in life after death where you go to heaven and so on? What is the difference? Your last question is the same answer.
I know you think I have the bible wrong, but let me ask you this....you can prove this? I freely admit I could easily be very wrong in my beliefs because they are just that; beliefs. Are you willing to do the same?

If you wish by reading the Bible book of Job there it highlights Satan's challenge, Not just to Job, but by way of extension ALL of us are included. That to touch our ' flesh ' ( loose physical health ) and we would Not serve God.
Plus, please keep in mind when Adam broke God's Law, then Adam was in effect taking the Law out of God's hands, and placing the Law into human hands. Adam set up People Rule as being superior to God Rule. Only the passing of time would show who can govern mankind best. Human history has shown Human Rule to be a failure. Also, the passing of time has allowed for all of us to be born and think who we would like as Sovereign over us.

According to gospel writer John he wrote at Revelation 1:5; 3:14 that Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God.
God had No beginning or start according to Psalm 90:2
That means only God was before the beginning of all creation.
The pre-human Jesus was Not before the beginning as God was before the beginning.
Even the resurrected heavenly Jesus at Rev. 3:12 still thinks he has a God over him.
The trinity or triad-god concept started outside of Scripture but false clergy teach it as Scripture.

While Jesus was on earth Jesus resurrected the dead back to healthy life on: earth.
Jesus made reference at Matthew 5:5 in connection to Psalm 37:11,29 that the humble meek people would inherit the earth forever.
That ' forever ' time starts with the coming 1000-year kingdom rule over earth by Christ Jesus.
So, what Jesus was giving us while he was on earth was a small resurrection preview of bringing people back to healthy life on earth.
That small preview or sample is showing what Jesus will do on a grand-global scale when Jesus governs earth for a thousand years.
Only some people are called to heaven - Rev. 20:6; 5:9,10 - while the majority of mankind - John 3:13 - will be brought back to healthy physical life on a beautiful paradisaic earth as the Garden of Eden originally was.

 

[gnostic]

We live in different times of course. Since under that Law only for ancient Israel, pregnant Bath-sheba would have been put to death. The unborn would have also died with her. Like innocent babies that die today, when their parents are resurrected, or restored back to healthy physical life on earth under Jesus 1000-year kingdom rule over earth, then David and Bath-sheba son will also be brought back to enjoy life on earth again.

If different time cause the change in law, in justice or in moral, then the bible doesn't have "perfect" justice.

How is God Not being able to lie, steal, cheat, be unjust, Not make you do things against your will, mean God is imperfect ?
Those powerful good qualities are in perfect balance with perfect justice.

If justice or law is perfect, as you seemed to be saying, then it will require no changing, because of perfection.

According to the Exodus, God created the law for Moses and the Israelites. If God is perfect, then shouldn't his law be "perfect"?

Apparently not, if he could change for different circumstances.

The only people innocent in the whole David-Bathsheba affair, were Bathsheba's husband and the infant.

Sure losing a child is very parents' nightmare, but it was god who made the infant suffer for their sin. But no matter how much they were stricken, it was their son, who suffered. God didn't just kill David's son, but made the child live for 7 days after falling ill. So nothing what David suffered for 7 days, could possibly be compared their son's 7-day agony.

This is a perfect example of why I see God as terrible monster, because it was at his hand that the child had suffered. God is not something who I could admire or respect. And one thing for certain, this is not perfect justice.

 

[Thief]

I've seen it written....be thou perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect.

Perhaps the shift and sight of imperfection.....is held by those who are not perfect.

 

[JoStories]

If you wish by reading the Bible book of Job there it highlights Satan's challenge, Not just to Job, but by way of extension ALL of us are included. That to touch our ' flesh ' ( loose physical health ) and we would Not serve God.
Plus, please keep in mind when Adam broke God's Law, then Adam was in effect taking the Law out of God's hands, and placing the Law into human hands. Adam set up People Rule as being superior to God Rule. Only the passing of time would show who can govern mankind best. Human history has shown Human Rule to be a failure. Also, the passing of time has allowed for all of us to be born and think who we would like as Sovereign over us.

According to gospel writer John he wrote at Revelation 1:5; 3:14 that Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God.
God had No beginning or start according to Psalm 90:2
That means only God was before the beginning of all creation.
The pre-human Jesus was Not before the beginning as God was before the beginning.
Even the resurrected heavenly Jesus at Rev. 3:12 still thinks he has a God over him.
The trinity or triad-god concept started outside of Scripture but false clergy teach it as Scripture.

While Jesus was on earth Jesus resurrected the dead back to healthy life on: earth.
Jesus made reference at Matthew 5:5 in connection to Psalm 37:11,29 that the humble meek people would inherit the earth forever.
That ' forever ' time starts with the coming 1000-year kingdom rule over earth by Christ Jesus.
So, what Jesus was giving us while he was on earth was a small resurrection preview of bringing people back to healthy life on earth.
That small preview or sample is showing what Jesus will do on a grand-global scale when Jesus governs earth for a thousand years.
Only some people are called to heaven - Rev. 20:6; 5:9,10 - while the majority of mankind - John 3:13 - will be brought back to healthy physical life on a beautiful paradisaic earth as the Garden of Eden originally was.

This whole post is proselytizing and I have no interest in that. I am more than happy to respect your faith as yours but please, none of what you wrote here pertains to the topic at hand.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

If different time cause the change in law, in justice or in moral, then the bible doesn't have "perfect" justice.
If justice or law is perfect, as you seemed to be saying, then it will require no changing, because of perfection.
According to the Exodus, God created the law for Moses and the Israelites. If God is perfect, then shouldn't his law be "perfect"?
Apparently not, if he could change for different circumstances.
The only people innocent in the whole David-Bathsheba affair, were Bathsheba's husband and the infant.
Sure losing a child is very parents' nightmare, but it was god who made the infant suffer for their sin. But no matter how much they were stricken, it was their son, who suffered. God didn't just kill David's son, but made the child live for 7 days after falling ill. So nothing what David suffered for 7 days, could possibly be compared their son's 7-day agony.
This is a perfect example of why I see God as terrible monster, because it was at his hand that the child had suffered. God is not something who I could admire or respect. And one thing for certain, this is not perfect justice.

First of all, from Adam to Moses there was No Mosaic Law. That Law was to only be in existence until Messiah arrived. The Law served to identify Jesus to be Messiah, so the temporary Law ended with Christ - Romans 10:4 - Jesus was the only one who proved he could uphold the Law. - Galatians 3: 19-25; Hebrews 10:1; Romans 8:3
God did Not change His mind as to the outworking of His purpose for earth. What God changed was His instructions according to time and situations that developed.
When the people of Nineveh repented after Jonah preached to them, then God saw to it that those people did Not perish.
If you saw a detour sign in the road wouldn't you change your mind and follow the detour because you know by doing that you will avoid danger and reach your destination. It was Not God's standards that changed for Nineveh but the people's response.

Yes, Uriah and the infant were innocent. They will have a healthy physical resurrection during Jesus' millennial rule over earth.
As to why God allowed to happen what happened we don't have all the details, but please keep in mind the Canaanites and others were notorious for their cruelty to their own children by burning their own children alive - 2nd Kings 16:3; 17:17; 21:6 - such a thing never entered God's mind to do such a thing - Jeremiah 32:35; 2nd Chron. 28:3. As with the people of Nineveh, any Canaanite who abandoned wickedness were spared. - Joshua 6:25; 9:3,24-26 - It was at God's hand that brought an end to the burning alive of the Canannite children.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I've seen it written....be thou perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect.
Perhaps the shift and sight of imperfection.....is held by those who are not perfect.

Jesus was teaching at Matthew 5 vs 44-48 that imperfect people can be perfect in a relative sense.
Please notice the subject at hand starting in verse 44 is: to love our enemies.
Showing Christ-like love - John 13 vs 34,35 - would be imitating the perfect standard of that love.

Please also notice in Matthew 5:45 talking about the sun and rain is for everyone.
We can speak of a ' perfect weather day ' although we know that is Not in an absolute sense.
A wedding ring can be flawed, but a wedding ring is perfect for a marriage ceremony.
Since Jesus was taking about loving one's enemies, we are Not to be imperfect as to be lacking in showing them love.

The word translated in English as perfect is from the Hebrew and the Greek and can also mean being complete.
Following Jesus' example was a complete or perfect standard for showing love.

 

[Thief]

Jesus was teaching at Matthew 5 vs 44-48 that imperfect people can be perfect in a relative sense.
Please notice the subject at hand starting in verse 44 is: to love our enemies.
Showing Christ-like love - John 13 vs 34,35 - would be imitating the perfect standard of that love.

Please also notice in Matthew 5:45 talking about the sun and rain is for everyone.
We can speak of a ' perfect weather day ' although we know that is Not in an absolute sense.
A wedding ring can be flawed, but a wedding ring is perfect for a marriage ceremony.
Since Jesus was taking about loving one's enemies, we are Not to be imperfect as to be lacking in showing them love.

The word translated in English as perfect is from the Hebrew and the Greek and can also mean being complete.
Following Jesus' example was a complete or perfect standard for showing love.

and it is also noted....He rules with an iron rod....from His mouth proceeds a double-edged sword.....

So who would that be for?......His friends?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Just meant evolving as in a somewhat shift of topic.
Denomination does Not mean that is what the Bible really teaches.
Especially when the Jews mixed with the Greeks they adopted Greek religious-myth ideas and philosophies as Scripture.
What the religious realm often teaches about ' hell ' is Not the hell of Scripture, but a non-biblical hell just taught as Scripture.
The Bible's hell is simply the grave where the unconscious dead are in a deep sleep-like state.
Jesus taught sleep in death - John 11 vs11-14 - as do the old Hebrew Scriptures - Psalms 115:17; 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5
No one is damned to hell. When righteous Jesus died and went to hell Jesus was Not damned but just dead asleep.
If those in hell were damned to hell then even Jesus would still be in hell.
The Bible's definition of the lake of fire is No any hell but defined as ' second death '. - Rev. 20 vs 13.14
Since the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalm 92:7 - then ' second death ' is a filling term for destruction.
That is why Hebrews 2:14 B says about Jesus that he will destroy Satan. Not send Satan to hell.
Satan was never in biblical hell and never will be. Satan ends up in the destruction of ' second death ' - Rev. 21:8

Again you have the problem of what is the real truth of the religion. You can claim to have the truth and quote bible verses but so does every denomination. There are even different cannons of the bible depending on where you are from.

Yes, God's moral standards is that ' fornication ' is wrong for all people. That includes homosexuals or otherwise.
A person can choose to commit fornication or not, whether homosexual or not.
Regardless of a person's sexual inclinations fornication is an unscriptural act.
The English word fornication comes from the Greek word porneia.
Porneia covers even having sex with an animal as Not acceptable behavior.
There is No outright Scripture saying God will judge liars, or thieves, but Hebrews 13:4 B outright says God will judge fornicators.
We can all use our free-will choices to follow or uphold God's view of fornication or not.
So, those who are practicing fornication at the soon coming ' time of separation ' on earth - Matthew 25 vs 31,32 - will be adversely judged by God as being classed as one of the haughty ' goats ' instead of the humble ' sheep'-like ones.

I do not agree with this. I personally think that having sex with sheep is wrong because animals cannot give consent. Same thing for having sex with children. That is inherently harmful and should not be done. It is not because it is fornication but because it is harmful to the recipients. I don't think that marriage should be required for sex but responsibility should. I also see nothing at all wrong with homosexuality. I personally don't believe in a god, but if there was a god I do not believe he would be interested in our sexual habits to anywhere near the degree that the ancient people of the bible have stated.

 

[Tumah]

Who caused Satan or the devil rebel

Christianity!

 

[JoStories]

If you wish by reading the Bible book of Job there it highlights Satan's challenge, Not just to Job, but by way of extension ALL of us are included. That to touch our ' flesh ' ( loose physical health ) and we would Not serve God.
Plus, please keep in mind when Adam broke God's Law, then Adam was in effect taking the Law out of God's hands, and placing the Law into human hands. Adam set up People Rule as being superior to God Rule. Only the passing of time would show who can govern mankind best. Human history has shown Human Rule to be a failure. Also, the passing of time has allowed for all of us to be born and think who we would like as Sovereign over us.

According to gospel writer John he wrote at Revelation 1:5; 3:14 that Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God.
God had No beginning or start according to Psalm 90:2
That means only God was before the beginning of all creation.
The pre-human Jesus was Not before the beginning as God was before the beginning.
Even the resurrected heavenly Jesus at Rev. 3:12 still thinks he has a God over him.
The trinity or triad-god concept started outside of Scripture but false clergy teach it as Scripture.

While Jesus was on earth Jesus resurrected the dead back to healthy life on: earth.
Jesus made reference at Matthew 5:5 in connection to Psalm 37:11,29 that the humble meek people would inherit the earth forever.
That ' forever ' time starts with the coming 1000-year kingdom rule over earth by Christ Jesus.
So, what Jesus was giving us while he was on earth was a small resurrection preview of bringing people back to healthy life on earth.
That small preview or sample is showing what Jesus will do on a grand-global scale when Jesus governs earth for a thousand years.
Only some people are called to heaven - Rev. 20:6; 5:9,10 - while the majority of mankind - John 3:13 - will be brought back to healthy physical life on a beautiful paradisaic earth as the Garden of Eden originally was.

Btw, you didn't answer any of the questions/remarks that I made or asked. Can you possibly try to do that? I am merely curious of your answers.