IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
What you did was make a reply that made no sense in relationship to what you quoted.
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WHO IS GOD'S TRUE ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT?
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3rdAngel
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It made plenty of sense. You just did not understand their meaning... this is because it is also written that the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God and neither can he know them because spiritual things are spiritually discerned. We cannot see if we close our eyes and ears to seeing and hearing Gods Word. Only God can open the blind eyes and ears for those who cannot see and hear but only those who know they are sick are in need of a physician. Go and learn what this means. We can never know God and His Word if we continue in our sins and unbelief.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I'm content to allow everyone who reads the post to determine that for themselves. I'm very confident that it is self apparent.
3rdAngel
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Hey no problem.... Those who see and believe Gods Word will know what those scriptures mean even if you do not.
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You do not know that God is a He .. or a She .. or the Primordial Uncreated one.. named after a car ! Ahura Mazda Yahu of the Shasu Reborn
Nor do you seem to know what old covenant you are referring to .. nor the God of either of the Two .. but on this God that you clearly do not know, you wish to impart a Trinity -- because thats what the dogma wants you to do .. but this has little to do with the Bible .. in which the Trinity goes something like El - Yahu - Ashera .. or EL - Ashera - BAAL .. or El Zadok Jesus pehraps .. hard to count the number of possibilities .. or get this one .. with some scriptural support .. Lord Yahu - Asherah - BAAL Father , Mother, Son
Which covenant do you wish to break - adopt ? -- Which God .. ? -- surely these questions are straight forward .. the answer simple -- the name of your God .. that you claim to know and who knows you.. ?
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I find, that since Pentecost the 'Israel of God' is Spiritual Israel aka a spiritual nation - please see 1st Peter 2:9,5
A spiritual nation (the Christian congregation) a nation without any boundaries or borders found located on any map.
Now it is 'Jerusalem Above ' (Galatians 4:26) that is the seat of government.
Government under 'Christ as Law' ( Galatians 6:2)
Jesus' New Commandment or Law found at John 13:34-35; 15:12; 1st John 4:21
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
No such thing as spiritual Israel.
3rdAngel
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Oh I know Him very much thank you.. not the make believe; non gods of the wicked but the God old and new testament scriptures that is a jealous God visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of them that hate Him.You do not know that God is a He .. or a She .. or the Primordial Uncreated one.. named after a car ! Ahura Mazda Yahu of the Shasu Reborn
Nor do you seem to know what old covenant you are referring to .. nor the God of either of the Two .. but on this God that you clearly do not know, you wish to impart a Trinity -- because thats what the dogma wants you to do .. but this has little to do with the Bible .. in which the Trinity goes something like El - Yahu - Ashera .. or EL - Ashera - BAAL .. or El Zadok Jesus pehraps .. hard to count the number of possibilities .. or get this one .. with some scriptural support .. Lord Yahu - Asherah - BAAL Father , Mother, Son
Which covenant do you wish to break - adopt ? -- Which God .. ? -- surely these questions are straight forward .. the answer simple -- the name of your God .. that you claim to know and who knows you.. ?
3rdAngel
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Well that statement is not true see all the scriptures in the OP that are in disagreement with you from post # 1 linked; post # 2 linked; post # 3 linked; post # 4 linked; According to the new covenant scriptures, Gods Israel in the new covenant are no longer those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham (Romans 9:6-8; Romans 2:28-29 and Galatians 3:28-29) but are now all those who are born again of the Spirit of God through faith in Gods Word (see John 3:3-7; compare 1 John 3:4-10 and Galatians 5:16; Romans 8:1-4) into Gods new covenant promise (Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27). Therefore, Gods Israel according to the scriptures in the new covenant are now all those who through faith believe and follow Gods Word and all believers both Jews and gentiles are all now one in Christ (Romans 10:11-13; Colossians 3:11). Gentile believers have been grafted in with Jewish believers (Romans 11:13-27). If we are not a part of Gods Israel in the new covenant we have no part in God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12. God never made His new covenant with Gentiles (Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27). 'Israel' "born after the flesh of the seed of Abraham", as an unbelieving 'nation', is left desolate (Matthew 23:38; Luke 13:35), to bear no more fruit ever again (Matthew 21:19), cursed, withered away (Mark 11:21), dried up from the roots (Mark 11:20), "twice dead" (Jude 1:12), and the axe already laid at their root (Matthew 3:10; Luke 3:9), and the unbelieving branches are cut down and ready to be thrown into the fire (Romans 11:13-26) to perish forever more. The New [or Everlasting] Covenant is only made with Gods true “Israel” defined in the scriptures as all those who through faith have accepted the Messiah in Jesus and choose to believe and obey what Gods Word says.
Take Care.
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IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I'm not concerned with anything the NT says. Christianity has no authority to decide what a Jew is or what Israel is.
3rdAngel
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Ok.... so I posted old testament and new testament scriptures.. You did not bother to read the linked posts and the rest of the post and scriptures provided above that are in disagreement with you did you.
Clearly you do not know the name of this Jealous God.. or the name of the wicked God ... nor the Good God who says Children are not to be punished for the sins of the Father contrary to the God who orders children to be punished down to third and fourth gen on account of the Father.
Which covenant do you wish to break and/or adopt ? -- Which is the God of this Covenant ? -- surely these questions are straight forward .. the answer simple -- What is the name of your God that you claim to know ? who is the Good God who orders children are NOT to be punished for the sins of the Father - each for his own sin, and who is the Jealous God of the Wicked who orders children to be punished on account of the Father ?
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3rdAngel
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Clearly I do know the name of this jealous God and He has many names.. I am in the new covenant now. What one do you live in?
Then tell us the name of this Jealous God , or one of them You claim to know this God .. now saying he has many names ..but you have not given us any names for this God .. and so how can we know which God of the Bible you are referring to .. as there are many Gods referred to in the Bible.
Is it Ha Satan ? .. one of the 70 sons of the Supreme one ? .. What is the name of this God who kills the children for the sins of the Father. the God of the Evil ones that you mentioned. What is the name of the Good God who forbids killing of the children for the sins of the Father .. and which do you prefer?
What is the name of the God of this New Covenant ? and why do you think I would live in this Covenant of this God whose name you will not tell us ?
What God are you talking about friend .. why all the confusion deflection and deception .. over this simple question ?
Elihoenai
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Deuteronomy 33:1
33 And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death.
Psalm 82:6
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
Yes, most certainly Elohim/God is man. How do you Interpret Moses Being the "man of Elohim/God" and Psalms 82:6?
3rdAngel
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My God is the creator of heaven and earth and has many names.... Do you not know Him? My God though does not sound the same as your god. Perhaps yours is a different god to the God of the bible?
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AdamjEdgar
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I think its problematic trying to discuss new testament theology and doctrine with individuals who do not view it as Gods word.
One would need to explain this using only Old Testament writings as the fulfillment of the gospel of the New Testament is missing from the Old Testament.
It would appear to me that unless one is talking with Messianic Jews, one is wasting one's time.
One would need to explain this using only Old Testament writings as the fulfillment of the gospel of the New Testament is missing from the Old Testament.
It would appear to me that unless one is talking with Messianic Jews, one is wasting one's time.
And before we resume, you still haven't made any attempt to explain Paul's statement in 1 Corinthians 8:6.
yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.
You appear to be saying that Paul misspoke, because he disagrees with you. Is that right? If so, how exactly does he misspeak?
If not, are you admitting with true Christian humility that your statement that Jesus is God is not supported anywhere in Paul of the gospels and that each of the five versions of Jesus says that he is not God? ─ as I quoted for you on that link, you'll remember, >but anyway here it is again<.
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Then God was crucified, so God is dead? And who did Jesus pray to when on the cross?
3rdAngel
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I would appreciate it if you did not micro-quote me. I did not write or post that comment in your post with my name on it you are responding to. I posted on your claims earlier and challenged you but you ignored what I posted earlier. There is literally nothing you have posted here that I cannot answer for you. I asked you a the question and you ignored it and still do so now. I said earlier; If I answer your claims and objections will it change your mind and make you seek to know God and believe and follow His Word through the scriptures? Or will you just choose again like you did with my earlier posts to ignore them and continue to harden your heart in your unbelief? This is an honest questions Blu. I will answer any of your claims just like I did your claims about the virgin birth, in Isaiah and Luke, the trinity etc.... but lets not waste each others time if you are really not interested. It would be a waste of each others time right?