WHO IS GOD'S TRUE ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT?

[2ndpillar]

Proverbs 24:17
for though the righteous fall seven times, they rise again, but the wicked stumble when calamity strikes.

Well, "calamity" is in the works (Zechariah 14), therefore your "wicked" are not unveiled. Who are the wicked? And what about your "righteous" who have not fallen, they would be unveiled as well, until the "end of the age", when they will "shine forth as the sun" (Mt 13:43), once the "wicked" have been thrown into the furnace of fire (Mt 13:42-43). As for Yeshua, he restricted the uncovering of the wicked per Matthew 13:28-29, so that the "righteous" are not harmed. It is the "wicked" (unlawful), the proponents of the false gospel of grace, the minions of the devil, the "ruler of the world", who print out their false gospel of grace, while at the same time, printing out the "kingdom of heaven".

 

[3rdAngel]

I am certain my Biblical God is different than yours .. on that much we concur.. Which God is the Creator of Heaven ? on this we may not.

What is the name of the God who Created earth and "Heavens" meaning solar system .. the two lights separating day and night .. Call this one the God of Noah

Enlil (EL, Illil ) is said to have sent the great flood .. Enki warning the Earthling but --- it is not them who are there "In The Beginning" .. when the Chaos separated from the order .. the bitter water from the Sweet .. The Twin Primordial Gods .. represented in Genesis.

Tiamat is the name of one .. and the Snake in the Garden perhaps ... the name of the other Escapes me .. who be that God in the Garden .. Your God .. .. and the name of your God in this story is what ?

If you do not know who the Gods of creation is from the bible. I cannot help you. You are following a different God to me. Sorry I cannot help you.

 

[3rdAngel]

I would appreciate it if you did not micro-quote me. I did not write or post that comment in your post with my name on it you are responding to. I posted on your claims earlier and challenged you but you ignored what I posted earlier. There is literally nothing you have posted here that I cannot answer for you. I asked you a the question and you ignored it and still do so now. I said earlier; If I answer your claims and objections will it change your mind and make you seek to know God and believe and follow His Word through the scriptures? Or will you just choose again like you did with my earlier posts to ignore them and continue to harden your heart in your unbelief? This is an honest questions Blu. I will answer any of your claims just like I did your claims about the virgin birth, in Isaiah and Luke, the trinity etc.... but lets not waste each others time if you are really not interested. It would be a waste of each others time right?

Your response here...

I would appreciate it if you explain how Paul's statement, which I quoted, is NOT a claim in the NT that Jesus is NOT God. And then you can give your explanation about how the other NT passages I quoted are NOT claims that Jesus is NOT God. So far you have produced zero instances from the NT of Jesus saying "I am God". If you have any, please quote them. If you do not, please say, "I do not have any such instances." The issue here is what scripture actually says, as distinct from what you're asserting that it says, positively and negatively. And ─ please correct me if I'm wrong ─ truth, directness and honesty are values esteemed by Christians. They're certainly values esteemed by humanists.

You did not answer what I asked you again. So that is a no I am guessing? The issue is not with scripture, the issue is with you not wanting to believe scripture no matter what is written to you. It does not matter what I post to you. You will not believe no matter how many time I answer your different questions (e.g. trinity, one God, virgin birth; already answered). Lets not waste each others time. Everything you have posted here has been addressed already with detailed scripture, Hebrew and Greek responses you have been unable to respond to then you just seek to move on to the next question to try and support your unbelief. Please forgive me but I do not believe you as proven why already. Lets no longer waste each others time and please focus on the OP of this thread. Lets be honest, you do not know what scripture says. You do not know God and you do not know His Word.

 

[3rdAngel]

Circumcision is the covenant made with Abraham. Abraham means the father of the peoples/nations, which include Esau/Edom, and Ishmael. The covenant of Abraham included his slaves, and was made before the time of Moses, the Law, or the house of Israel, which included the 10 northern tribes separated from the house of Judah, which happened after the rule of Solomon. It was the false prophet Paul, named "Favor, because of his false gospel of grace, who endeavored to undo the "covenant made with all the people" (Zech 11:10), which is circumcision, which was the flesh image of the circumcision of the heart, which hasn't happened at this point in time with respect to the house of Israel/Ephraim, or the house of Judah, in which Israel hasn't been "gathered" from among the nations/Gentiles (Ezekiel 36) nor joined with Judah (house of Judah) on the land given to Jacob/Israel (Ezekiel 37) and given a new heart and spirit, and keep all the statutes (Ez 36:26-29 & 37). As for the "priests" (Levi) they will first have to be "purified" so that they can present offerings as in former times (Malachi 3:3-4 & Zech 14). As for the Temple, all the arrangements have been prepared, down to the red heifers. As for the Palestinians, who claim nominal control the temple mount, they come from the land given to Edom, southern Jordan, and are indeed of Esau and not Ishmael. As for Esau/Edom, he is on the way out (Malachi 1:4 & Obadiah). Petra, the real birthplace of Islam and the Kaaba, the place of idols, it was part of the land given to Esau, Edom. As for the Palestinians, the land of Judea was swept clean of Jews during the time of the Roman Emperor Hadrian, and he renamed the land as Palestine because the land previously was ruled by the Philistines, who were actually seafarers from the area of Crete.

I see so according to you, half the new testament is a false teaching? Sorry I do not believe you and you have posted no scripture here to prove this.

 

[3rdAngel]

It says there's ONE GOD and identifies that God as the Father. I trust there's no debate that God is the Father. It identifies Jesus someone else, whose title is LORD. Otherwise I suggest Paul would have written,"there is one God, the Father aka Lord Jesus Christ." But very clearly he didn't.

ONE GOD?

John 10:30 I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.

Compare with these scriptures here (there are more but we can use these as examples)...

Deteronomy 6:4 4, Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is ONE GOD
Genesis 2:24 24, Therefore shall a MAN leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his WIFE: and THEY SHALL BE ONE FLESH.
Genesis 11:6 And the LORD said, BEHOLD, THE PEOPLE IS ONE, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
Genesis 34:15 16, Then will we give our daughters to you, and we will take your daughters to us, and we will dwell with you, and WE WILL
BECOME ONE PEOPLE.

Exodus 12:49 49, ONE LAW shall be to him that is home born, and to the stranger that sojourns among you.
Exodus 24:3… all the people answered with ONE VOICE…
Judges 20:8 All the people arose as ONE MAN…

Are in harmony with...

John 10:30 I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE
Matthew 28:19 9, Go ye therefore, and TEACH ALL NATIONS, BAPTIZING THEM IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, AND OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY GHOST
1 John 5:7 “For there are three that bear witness in heaven: The Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and THESE THREE ARE ONE."

Note: in every scripture used above in both the Tanakh and New testament the Hebrew and Greek word used here is PLURAL meaning and application for "ONE"! Now what to put the nail in the coffin of your argument and go back even further in the Tanakh to creation? Lets do it..

PLURAL GOD?

Genesis 1:26 26 And God said, LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, AFTER OUR LIKENESS: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Genesis 3:22 “Then the Lord God said, BEHOLD, THE MAN HAS BECOME LIKE ONE OF US, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and also take from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever.”
Genesis 11:7 “COME, LET US GO DOWN AND CONFUSE THEIR LANGUAGE so they will not understand each other
Isaiah 6:8 “Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, “Whom shall I send, and WHO WILL GO FOR US?” Then I said, “Here am I. Send me!”

Note: the use of ONE us plural. God the father, son and holy spirit are one God (plural God one in mind and purpose).

You are welcome.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Well, "calamity" is in the works (Zechariah 14), therefore your "wicked" are not unveiled. Who are the wicked? And what about your "righteous"

Remember that I'm uninterested in anything the NT has to say on it. As i quoted to you, the Tanakh teaches that the righteous are those that repent, and the wicked are those that do not. That's more than enough for me.

 

[AdamjEdgar]

ONE GOD?

John 10:30 I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.

Compare with these scriptures here (there are more but we can use these as examples)...

Deteronomy 6:4 4, Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is ONE GOD
Genesis 2:24 24, Therefore shall a MAN leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his WIFE: and THEY SHALL BE ONE FLESH.
Genesis 11:6 And the LORD said, BEHOLD, THE PEOPLE IS ONE, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
Genesis 34:15 16, Then will we give our daughters to you, and we will take your daughters to us, and we will dwell with you, and WE WILL
BECOME ONE PEOPLE.

Exodus 12:49 49, ONE LAW shall be to him that is home born, and to the stranger that sojourns among you.
Exodus 24:3… all the people answered with ONE VOICE…
Judges 20:8 All the people arose as ONE MAN…

Are in harmony with...

John 10:30 I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE
Matthew 28:19 9, Go ye therefore, and TEACH ALL NATIONS, BAPTIZING THEM IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, AND OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY GHOST
1 John 5:7 “For there are three that bear witness in heaven: The Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and THESE THREE ARE ONE."

Note: in every scripture used above in both the Tanakh and New testament the Hebrew and Greek word used here is PLURAL meaning and application for "ONE"! Now what to put the nail in the coffin of your argument and go back even further in the Tanakh to creation? Lets do it..

PLURAL GOD?

Genesis 1:26 26 And God said, LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, AFTER OUR LIKENESS: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Genesis 3:22 “Then the Lord God said, BEHOLD, THE MAN HAS BECOME LIKE ONE OF US, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and also take from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever.”
Genesis 11:7 “COME, LET US GO DOWN AND CONFUSE THEIR LANGUAGE so they will not understand each other
Isaiah 6:8 “Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, “Whom shall I send, and WHO WILL GO FOR US?” Then I said, “Here am I. Send me!”

Note: the use of ONE us plural. God the father, son and holy spirit are one God (plural God one in mind and purpose).

You are welcome.

thats a cracking post that. well done.

 

[blü 2]

Your response here...

You did not answer what I asked you again. So that is a no I am guessing? The issue is not with scripture, the issue is with you not wanting to believe scripture no matter what is written to you. It does not matter what I post to you. You will not believe no matter how many time I answer your different questions (e.g. trinity, one God, virgin birth; already answered). Lets not waste each others time. Everything you have posted here has been addressed already with detailed scripture, Hebrew and Greek responses you have been unable to respond to then you just seek to move on to the next question to try and support your unbelief. Please forgive me but I do not believe you as proven why already. Lets no longer waste each others time and please focus on the OP of this thread. Lets be honest, you do not know what scripture says. You do not know God and you do not know His Word.

You're the one who's been saying I'm untruthful. I'm the one who's pointing out to you that all five versions of Jesus in the NT deny that they're God and I've made the bible quotes available to you.

You have asserted that the NT says no such thing BUT you haven't offered any textual evidence AND you're refusing to discuss the textual evidence against you.

So it seems to me that you want the NT to say and mean whatever you'd like to say and mean, AND you don't want to have to justify your claims. You don't intend to allow reality to get in the way, or so your posts suggest.

That being the case, I can't see any benefit in continuing this conversation.

Have a lovely day.

 

[3rdAngel]

You're the one who's been saying I'm untruthful.

Indeed which is why I posted the reasons why you are in error from the scriptures.

I'm the one who's pointing out to you that all five versions of Jesus in the NT deny that they're God and I've made the bible quotes available to you.

Well that is also incorrect. It is your understanding of the scripture you are posting that is in error, not the scriptures. This is what I have been trying to show you throughout the scriptures I have been sharing with you along with the Hebrew and Greek that is in disagreement with you in my responses to your earlier claims that you have not been able to respond to.

You have asserted that the NT says no such thing BUT you haven't offered any textual evidence AND you're refusing to discuss the textual evidence against you. So it seems to me that you want the NT to say and mean whatever you'd like to say and mean, AND you don't want to have to justify your claims. You don't intend to allow reality to get in the way, or so your posts suggest.

That is not true at all. I have provided both textual evidence as well as a Hebrew, Greek analysis of your claims in regards to Isaiah and Luke's virgin birth (post # 490 linked), God being one God (plural); post # 565 linked , as well as so many of your other posts that I have responded to that you are unable to prove are wrong and unable to address. If you disagree please start by responding to the two linked posts provided here that prove your claims about the virgin birth and one God is in error which are both evidence that your claim here that I am responding to is not true.

That being the case, I can't see any benefit in continuing this conversation.

Yes something we can finally agree on. Please forgive me if I do not believe you. According to the scriptures, we can never find God in our unbelief and sins Blu.

Take Care.

 

[blü 2]

thats a cracking post that. well done.

"The Father and I are one" is from John, and the meaning is found in John 17. It does not mean "The Father and I are parts of a triune God". John's Jesus, like the Jesuses of Paul, Mark, Matthew and Luke, denies that he's God, and makes it clear that he's simply God's envoy eg

John 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known.​

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John 5:19 “the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing”​

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John 5:30 “I can do nothing on my own authority; [...] I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me.”​

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John 6:38 “For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me”​

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John 8:42 “I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of my own accord, but he sent me.”​

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John 10:29 “My Father [...] is greater than all”.​

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John 14:10 “The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority; but the Father who dwells in me does his works.”​

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John 14:28 You heard me say to you, ‘I go away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.​

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John 16:23 In that day you will ask nothing of me. Truly, truly, I say to you, if you ask anything of the Father, he will give it to you in my name.​

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John 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.”​

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John 20:17 “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.”​

And as to being 'one' with God, in John 17, Jesus says ─

20 “I do not pray for these only, but also for those who believe in me through their word, 21 that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, 23 I in them and thou in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that thou hast sent me and hast loved them even as thou hast loved me.​

In other words, says John’s author, Jesus' oneness is of a kind available to all believers, not an equality with Yahweh.

 

[3rdAngel]

"The Father and I are one" is from John, and the meaning is found in John 17. It does not mean "The Father and I are parts of a triune God". John's Jesus, like the Jesuses of Paul, Mark, Matthew and Luke, denies that he's God, and makes it clear that he's simply God's envoy eg

John 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known.

John 5:19 “the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing”

John 5:30 “I can do nothing on my own authority; [...] I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me.”

John 6:38 “For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me”

John 8:42 “I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of my own accord, but he sent me.”

John 10:29 “My Father [...] is greater than all”.

John 14:10 “The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority; but the Father who dwells in me does his works.”

John 14:28 You heard me say to you, ‘I go away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.

John 16:23 In that day you will ask nothing of me. Truly, truly, I say to you, if you ask anything of the Father, he will give it to you in my name.

John 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.”

John 20:17 “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.”

And as to being 'one' with God, in John 17, Jesus says ─

20 “I do not pray for these only, but also for those who believe in me through their word, 21 that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, 23 I in them and thou in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that thou hast sent me and hast loved them even as thou hast loved me.​

In other words, says John’s author, Jesus' oneness is of a kind available to all believers, not an equality with Yahweh.

Your post here only tells me you did not read or understand what was written to you in post # 565 linked. If you would like me to explain it to you I am happy to. Just let me know.

 

[3rdAngel]

"The Father and I are one" is from John, and the meaning is found in John 17. It does not mean "The Father and I are parts of a triune God"

Where does it say that in the scriptures? - It doesn't

. John's Jesus, like the Jesuses of Paul, Mark, Matthew and Luke, denies that he's God, and makes it clear that he's simply God's envoy eg

John 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known.

So no man has seen God except Jesus? This does not really help support your case now does it? Read the context you disregarded in John 1:1-4 and John 1:14; then John 1:18 and you will get the picture only Jesus has seen God the father. Context matters and you ignored it which has led you to a faulty interpretation of the scriptures, filtered through your glasses of unbelief.

John 5:19 “the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing”

This scripture contradicts your last application and interpretation of the scriptures that no one including Jesus has seen the father. The scripture says Jesus sees the father. Can you see your errors here so far?

John 5:30 “I can do nothing on my own authority; [...] I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me.”

Indeed this agrees with John 10:30 I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE. It was posted earlier for you and agrees with what has already been shared with you.

John 6:38 “For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me”

Agrees with John 1:1-4 and John 1:14- 18 that says Jesus was God and with the father from the beginning. Can you see why your interpretation of the scriptures are in error?

John 8:42 “I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of my own accord, but he sent me.”

Indeed also agrees with John 10:30 I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE

John 10:29 “My Father [...] is greater than all”.

Yep and your point here? You did not make one.

John 14:10 “The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority; but the Father who dwells in me does his works.”

Indeed also agrees with John 10:30 I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE

John 14:28 You heard me say to you, ‘I go away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.

See above...

John 16:23 In that day you will ask nothing of me. Truly, truly, I say to you, if you ask anything of the Father, he will give it to you in my name.

This scripture is relevant why exactly?

John 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.”

The only true God - The only God, in opposition to all false gods. What is said here is in opposition to idols, not to Jesus himself, who, in 1 John 5:20, is called "the true God and eternal life."

John 20:17 “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.”

This says Jesus is not God how exactly? It doesn't.

And as to being 'one' with God, in John 17, Jesus says ─

20 “I do not pray for these only, but also for those who believe in me through their word, 21 that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, 23 I in them and thou in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that thou hast sent me and hast loved them even as thou hast loved me.​

How does John 17:20-23 say Jesus is not God or one with the father? Oh it doesn't

In other words, says John’s author, Jesus' oneness is of a kind available to all believers, not an equality with Yahweh.

Well that is not true... Jesus is God now we can be one with God but that does not make us God. Now which scripture did you post that tells us Jesus is not God? - None right? Your unbelief has blinded you to knowing God and His Word.

Take Care.

 

[metis]

You do not know the scriptures? Jesus earthly body is dead but He is risen from the dead.

You did not answer my question: And who did Jesus pray to when on the cross?

 

[metis]

You do not know the scriptures?

What a pathetically arrogant and demeaning statement the above is, thus not even worthy of a response beyond this. You do not know my background and, frankly, I'd rather keep it that way.

 

[Elihoenai]

Psalm 82:6 is in the capacity of being a human judge - Exodus 4:16; Exodus 7:1
Those men were to use God's judgement to judge as to what was right or wrong - 2nd Chronicles 19:6
This is why Jesus made reference to them at John 10:34-35.
After all, Moses was to serve as God to Aaron besides Pharaoh - Exodus 4:16; 7:1 - but Not be LORD God YHWH.
Jesus answered truthfully as to who he is at John 10:36 the 'Son of God', Not saying Elohim/God.

Genesis 24:3

3 And I will make thee swear by the Lord, the God of heaven, and the God of the earth, that thou shalt not take a wife unto my son of the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I dwell:


Elohim/God is The Elohim/God Of Heaven and The Elohim/God Of Earth.

Elohim/God is Flesh, Soul and Spirit. Elohim/God Is All Things That Exists. Elohim/God is Omni.

The Satan/Devil is Elohim/God in its Lowest Flesh Form. The Devil/Satan is Elohim/God Flesh.

 

[Sargonski]

If you do not know who the Gods of creation is from the bible. I cannot help you. You are following a different God to me. Sorry I cannot help you.

Thats fair .. since you don't know who the Gods of Creation are from the Bible .. I would not expect you to be able to know the names of those Gods .. but, you can still help out perhaps ... Do you not have any guesses as to the identity of the God of Creation ?

What about the God of Abraham .. ? Would that God not be a Candidate El - Olium "El Supreme" .. the same Supreme one in Psalm 82 for other reference .. https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/gen14.pdf

but what is strange ... is that if you don't know the names of the Gods of Creation fromthe Bible .. how can you say that I am following a different God than you ? .. as you don't know the name of the God you are following - never mind know what God I Follow.

 

[2ndpillar]

Remember that I'm uninterested in anything the NT has to say on it. As i quoted to you, the Tanakh teaches that the righteous are those that repent, and the wicked are those that do not. That's more than enough for me.

You might want to read all of the OT. For the "wicked" are encouraged to repent and do "justice" & "righteousness" to save their lives, and the "righteous" who sin and do not repent are destroyed. (Ez 18:23 & 33:11-12) The "wicked" can indeed "repent" and do "justice" and are encouraged to do so. The "righteous" have no need to repent unless they turn to doing wickedness, and at which time they are numbered among the "wicked" and doomed.

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Righteousness:

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Ezekiel 18:5-9 5“But if a man is righteous and practices justice and righteousness, 6and does not eat at the mountain shrines or lift up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, or defile his neighbor’s wife or approach a woman during her menstrual period— 7if a man does not oppress anyone, but restores to the debtor his pledge, does not commit robbery, but gives his bread to the hungry and covers the naked with clothing, 8if he does not lend money on interest or take increase, if he keeps his hand from iniquity and executes true justice between man and man, 9if he walks in My statutes and My ordinances so as to deal faithfully—he is righteous and will surely live,” declares the Lord GOD.

 

[2ndpillar]

I see so according to you, half the new testament is a false teaching? Sorry I do not believe you and you have posted no scripture here to prove this.

No. Approximately 2/3 of the NT is linked to the false prophet Paul and his comrades. The NT is the field in which both the message of the "enemy"/"devil" are planted together with the "message" of the "son of man" (Mt 13:37-42) and will remain growing together until the "end of the age", which is at hand, and at which time the "tares" will be "gathered" and thrown into the "furnace of fire" (Great Tribulation). (Mt 13:24-30) The "tares", those who follow the "message" of the "enemy", would be the "many", who follow the "false prophets" of Mt 7:12-15 to "destruction". This message of the "kingdom of heaven" was given in parables so that only those with ears to hear could understand (Mt 11-14), which would preclude the "wicked"/lawless (Daniel 12:10).

 

[IndigoChild5559]

You might want to read all of the OT.

Whenever someone starts with that comment, I just delete the rest of their post without reading. It's nothing but an ad hominem attack. It's actually very very stupid of you to assume I haven't read all of the Tanakh.

 

[AdamjEdgar]

You did not answer my question: And who did Jesus pray to when on the cross?

I suggest that one issue here is thst you do not understand the "nature of Christ".

The bible tells us quite clearly in Isaiah 9.6

6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government will be upon His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.​

Also Phillipians 2:

6Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,​

7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness.​

8And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to death— even death on a cross​

God humbles himself taking on the form of a servant, and dies for the sins of his own creation.

Christ (Everlasting Father and Mighty God according to Isaiah 9.6), fulfills the prophecy.

Christ called Himself the Son of Man to describe this dual nature...after the incarnation.

The apostle Paul tells us in Phillipians Christ is God. And we know from Christs own prophecy concerning Himself in Matthee, He remains the Son of Man even in heaven today.

How do we know this?

Matthew 24:

30At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.​

31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.​