Who IS "The Only TRUE God"- as Jesus put it?

[Maimonides]

The trinity was an implementation by the council if Nodes to refute Aranianism. I highly doubt jesus himself considered him as part of a tribune deity. Unless we study the ancient languages in their context we will always debate this subject. If Jesus being an orthodox jew claimed to be apart of a trinune deity he would've violate Shema Yisrael which, according to Jesus himself he said:

Sh'ma Yis'rael Adonai Eloneihu, Adonai, Echad

Hear O'Israel, the Lord our God is One

Sorry my Hebrew writing is rusty

 

[smokydot]

well, regardless of what you may think, leaven is poisonous. Why do you think it was a symbol of corruption or uncleanliness??? Because it was corrupt and unclean!

Leaven is yeast.
Yeast is used in bread because it causes fermentation, which releases gas, and causes the dough to rise.
If it were poisonous, it could not be sold in the grocery store.

Would you please reconcile for me these facts with your statement that leaven is poinsonous. Something is not making sense here.

Yes! The Holy Spirit does spread throughout a person's life, "poisoning" and "killing off" the old self, replacing it with new life.

Comparing the Holy Spirit to corruption and uncleanness is not working for me.
That sounds an awful lot like blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

I must be misunderstanding you.
Would you reconcile two things for me:
1) Leaven (yeast) is poisonous. . .and leaven (yeast) is sold in the grocery store.
2) God's Spirit is holy. . .and God's Spirit is a symbol of corruption and uncleanness.

Thanks.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The trinity was an implementation by the council if Nodes to refute Aranianism. I highly doubt jesus himself considered him as part of a tribune deity. Unless we study the ancient languages in their context we will always debate this subject. If Jesus being an orthodox jew claimed to be apart of a trinune deity he would've violate Shema Yisrael which, according to Jesus himself he said:
Sh'ma Yis'rael Adonai Eloneihu, Adonai, Echad
Hear O'Israel, the Lord our God is One
Sorry my Hebrew writing is rusty

Correct. Jesus did not consider himself as God.
Jesus said at Rev 3v14 that he is the beginning of the creation by God.
The heavenly resurrected Jesus also still believes he is the Son of God.
-Rev 2v18.
Jesus being God's first heavenly creation before God sent Jesus to earth.
Colossians 1vs15,16.

 

[sojourner]

The word has two meanings in Scripture.

Does it?

 

[sojourner]

The trinity was an implementation by the council if Nodes to refute Aranianism. I highly doubt jesus himself considered him as part of a tribune deity. Unless we study the ancient languages in their context we will always debate this subject. If Jesus being an orthodox jew claimed to be apart of a trinune deity he would've violate Shema Yisrael which, according to Jesus himself he said:

Sh'ma Yis'rael Adonai Eloneihu, Adonai, Echad

Hear O'Israel, the Lord our God is One

Sorry my Hebrew writing is rusty

First of all, you'll have to agree that there is some kind of understanding of Jesus as Divine -- a lot of it from quotes attributed to Jesus. I don't think he would have understood his Divinity in quite the way we do -- but then, we're not Jesus, are we!

Second, there are many instances where Jesus violated the Law, for example, in the forgiveness of sin (only God can forgive sin -- this is why I say that his Divinity is implicit in the texts), and in working on the Sabbath. I don't think you can use a violation of the shema as "proof" of anything.

 

[sojourner]

Leaven is yeast.

Incorrect. Leaven is not the same thing as the yeast we have today.

If it were poisonous, it could not be sold in the grocery store.

People didn't get leaven at the Piggly Wiggly.

Comparing the Holy Spirit to corruption and uncleanness is not working for me.
That sounds an awful lot like blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Well, the parable isn't really talking about the Holy Spirit. It's talking about what God's kingdom is like. The point of the parable is that God became corrupt (since mortality is corrupt when compared to Divinity) for us, and the spread of the kingdom depends upon that act.

 

[sojourner]

Correct. Jesus did not consider himself as God.
Jesus said at Rev 3v14 that he is the beginning of the creation by God.
The heavenly resurrected Jesus also still believes he is the Son of God.
-Rev 2v18.
Jesus being God's first heavenly creation before God sent Jesus to earth.
Colossians 1vs15,16.

Probably not in the sense that we do, no. But there was some kind of understanding of Jesus crossing that line between mortality and Divinity.

 

[Midnight Pete]

I dont know what to say. God likens Himself to many things, but He is making man in "Our image".

How can a man do all the things God does?

 

[AK4]

Incorrect. Leaven is not the same thing as the yeast we have today.

People didn't get leaven at the Piggly Wiggly.

Well, the parable isn't really talking about the Holy Spirit. It's talking about what God's kingdom is like. The point of the parable is that God became corrupt (since mortality is corrupt when compared to Divinity) for us, and the spread of the kingdom depends upon that act.

Not going to argue with you but WOW God became CORRUPT????!!!!! What are thinking pastor????

 

[Maimonides]

First of all, you'll have to agree that there is some kind of understanding of Jesus as Divine -- a lot of it from quotes attributed to Jesus. I don't think he would have understood his Divinity in quite the way we do -- but then, we're not Jesus, are we!

Second, there are many instances where Jesus violated the Law, for example, in the forgiveness of sin (only God can forgive sin -- this is why I say that his Divinity is implicit in the texts), and in working on the Sabbath. I don't think you can use a violation of the shema as "proof" of anything.

Well I think forgiveness of sin is hardly a qualification for being divine. I mean haven't you forgiven someone who has done something wrong to you? Also all prophets were divine because their metaphysical abilities originated from divine providence.

 

[AK4]

How can a man do all the things God does?

Jesus is still called a man after He was resurrected and glorified and we know that He is "expressed image of the invisible God". Jesus quote scripture and said "ye are gods". The thing is Jesus says that His God can make a god and that His God did it to Him [Jesus] and that He is also going to this for the rest of His children, all His children that were ever born, and Jesus is the proof that He can and will do it. Now this PROMISE is so huge and unbelievable no one really believes it, except as the scripture say "only the few" "the elect" "those that He has chosen to believe right now". I tell you this is the whole plan of God and what the scriptures say, so do you believe it?

 

[Midnight Pete]

Jesus is still called a man after He was resurrected and glorified and we know that He is "expressed image of the invisible God". Jesus quote scripture and said "ye are gods". The thing is Jesus says that His God can make a god and that His God did it to Him [Jesus] and that He is also going to this for the rest of His children, all His children that were ever born, and Jesus is the proof that He can and will do it. Now this PROMISE is so huge and unbelievable no one really believes it, except as the scripture say "only the few" "the elect" "those that He has chosen to believe right now". I tell you this is the whole plan of God and what the scriptures say, so do you believe it?

Jesus was/is not simply a man. He was God perfectly and seamlessaly expressed as a man. His Twelve Disciples were just men.

 

[Midnight Pete]

Well I think forgiveness of sin is hardly a qualification for being divine.

Who but God can forgive sins? When a priest hears a confession, it is not he who abnegates the sin.

 

[sojourner]

Not going to argue with you but WOW God became CORRUPT????!!!!! What are thinking pastor????

Sooo...
You're arguing with me anyway. Just like you said you weren't going to quote scripture and then did anyway. And just like you said you were finished sparring with me ... and now here you are.

Let me make this very easy for you:
1) God became Incarnate
2) Jesus is God Incarnate
3) Jesus died
4) Death is corruption

Mk?

 

[sojourner]

Well I think forgiveness of sin is hardly a qualification for being divine. I mean haven't you forgiven someone who has done something wrong to you? Also all prophets were divine because their metaphysical abilities originated from divine providence.

You're not getting the point. Only God can forgive sin, according to ancient Jewish thought. When Jesus forgave sin, he was said to have blasphemed.

 

[sojourner]

Jesus is still called a man after He was resurrected and glorified and we know that He is "expressed image of the invisible God". Jesus quote scripture and said "ye are gods". The thing is Jesus says that His God can make a god and that His God did it to Him [Jesus] and that He is also going to this for the rest of His children, all His children that were ever born, and Jesus is the proof that He can and will do it. Now this PROMISE is so huge and unbelievable no one really believes it, except as the scripture say "only the few" "the elect" "those that He has chosen to believe right now". I tell you this is the whole plan of God and what the scriptures say, so do you believe it?

Let's see...
You claim Jesus is not God, yet you claim "God did it to [Jesus].":areyoucra

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Who but God can forgive sins?

Only the Menifestations of God can also forgive sin while they are on earth. And that's because God made them a perfect Mirror of Himself and gave them the authority to do that!

No other man can forgive sins!

When a priest hears a confession, it is not he who abnegates the sin.

The Priests are only human and are not infallible and do commit sins themselves.
Neither God gave them the authority and power to forgive sins.
How could another human forgives another human's sin?
Clearly confession to a prist does not forgive the sin!

I offer this quotation:

"When the sinner findeth himself wholly detached and freed from all save God, he should beg forgiveness and pardon from Him. Confession of sins and transgressions before human beings is not permissible, as it hath never been nor will ever be conducive to divine forgiveness. Moreover such confession before people results in one’s humiliation and abasement, and God—exalted be His glory—wisheth not the humiliation of His servants. Verily He is the Compassionate, the Merciful. The sinner should, between himself and God, implore mercy from the Ocean of mercy, beg forgiveness from the Heaven of generosity and say:

O God, my God! I implore Thee by the blood of Thy true lovers who were so enraptured by Thy sweet utterance that they hastened unto the Pinnacle of Glory, the site of the most glorious martyrdom, and I beseech Thee by the mysteries which lie enshrined in Thy knowledge and by the pearls that are treasured in the ocean of Thy bounty to grant forgiveness unto me and unto my father and my mother. Of those who show forth mercy, Thou art in truth the Most Merciful. No God is there but Thee, the Ever-Forgiving, the All-Bountiful. " Baha'u'llah - Tablet of Glad Tidings

 

[Midnight Pete]

I am not disagreeing with you here. The sacrament of confession is not about the priest himself of his own authority absolving sins. He's administering a sacrament, like baptism, while God is present to oversee.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Let's see...
You claim Jesus is not God, yet you claim "God did it to [Jesus].":areyoucra

when the image of the Sun is reflected in mirror, then when you look at the mirror, you see the Sun and you can say that is the Sun, even though it's mirror.
For the image of the Sun to appear in the mirror, the Sun doesn't physically move to the mirror, but only it's image is reflected.

Same concept of the Sun and Mirrors is applied to all Manifestations of God, including but not limited to Jesus!
Jesus is the Mirror!

 

[InvestigateTruth]

I am not disagreeing with you here. The sacrament of confession is not about the priest himself of his own authority absolving sins. He's administering a sacrament, like baptism, while God is present to oversee.

But the 'administering a sacrament' must be part of the Bible if it’s really part of the original 'administering a sacrament'.
I don’t believe that confession is part of the original 'administering a sacrament' that Jesus intended because, again, confession to the priest results in the abasement and humility of the person.
Anyways, When someone can directly ask forgiveness directly to God, why would he go to the priest?