PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
The singularity did not have a cause. (And CP-symmetry is broken. That's where the antimatter went.
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Who made God?
- Thread starter Pegg
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Thoughts.
RitalinO.D.
Well-Known Member
You provide a link to a creationist site, AIG no less and call that evidence?
Try again sparky.
camanintx
Well-Known Member
Even if God caused the universe to be created, where did it come from? I have yet to hear an answer from a theistic point of view. If something cannot come from nothing then what was there to make the universe from?
camanintx
Well-Known Member
I'm still waiting for you to answer this.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
all matter comes from energy. Einstein worked it out and put it in the equation E=mC2
The bible also tells us that God is abundant in energy and great power.
Jeremiah 10:12 He is the Maker of the earth by his power, ...
he has so much energy that our physical bodies would be incinerated if we saw him in his full glory at Ex 33:20 You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live.
And when Moses was in the vicinity of Gods presence on Mount Sinai, he came down from the mountain and he was glowing so much that he had to veil his face to speak to the isrealites
Exodus 34:35 And the sons of Israel saw Moses face, that the skin of Moses face emitted rays; and Moses put the veil back over his face until he went in to speak with him
So when God created the universe, he did so using his power or energy. That energy he turned into matter and thats how he created the physical universe. E=mC2.
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Energy is not a meaningful concept outside the universe.
camanintx
Well-Known Member
So according to your belief, God is not immutable? Before God created the universe, it had energy E and afterwards it had energy E-e with energy e turning into what we now call the universe?
ninerbuff
godless wonder
Again, energy can be measured by standards of today. This god you speak of can't be measured so how can you relate god to energy terms? We would be able to pinpoint this "so called" abundance and overall power since it would be considered the "most powerful" in the universe, but have no evidence that it exists. So explain how god is "energy"?
What possible evidence could you have that would suggest that this is true?
And how is a thing able to exist uncaused... whether it "has no beginning" or not? It seems to me that the "no beginning" argument is a bit of a red herring: it doesn't really imply that the thing can exist uncaused; it only implies that the thing cannot have a cause. This requirement is satisfied by the thing not existing at all (since non-existent things are also "uncaused"), so it can't really be used to justify the existince of the thing in question.
What do you mean when you say "God transcends time"? The passage you mention involves change, which requires two different states separated by a span of time, so it's not really clear that the passage supports your argument.
Also, what possible evidence could you, a creature existing entirely within time, could ever have that suggests that something "transcends time"? It seems to me that you're making claims about things that are necessarily beyond the limits of your knowledge.
bhaktajan
Active Member
God is His own Person, there far away, with His own eternal interpersonal pastimes with his hosts of entourages!
---ergo then, We must ask,
"Then, what the Hell are We doing* here?"
Answer that question!
Define thoroughly what happens to us humans and how we past the time ---multiply that by the number of past lives ---multiply that by the number of existent persons.
Find the common denominator and see if it adds up to "escaping" or does it add up to being "cozy".
Escaping or becoming cozy ---again answer the question first Doc, "What the Hell are We doing here?"
* 'Doing' aka, 'karma' (actions)
---ergo then, We must ask,
"Then, what the Hell are We doing* here?"
Answer that question!
Define thoroughly what happens to us humans and how we past the time ---multiply that by the number of past lives ---multiply that by the number of existent persons.
Find the common denominator and see if it adds up to "escaping" or does it add up to being "cozy".
Escaping or becoming cozy ---again answer the question first Doc, "What the Hell are We doing here?"
* 'Doing' aka, 'karma' (actions)
RitalinO.D.
Well-Known Member
Was this English?
I'm sorry but nothing in what you said makes one bit of sense. Just rambling, therefore impossible to respond to.
RitalinO.D.
Well-Known Member
Well, so much for him being omnipotent. Either he is unable to show himself without melting someones face off, or he is all about the glitz and glamour.
Either way it sounds like poppycock
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
matter is materialized energy
so yes. God used his energy to create a physical universe.
Yep. Just like papa smurf. Good show Pegg. :run:
Cain
Member
Most philosophers (but who the heck are they anyway? lol) understand this concept in that the Material / Physical / Objective YOU is Created once the Subjective Self reflects upon Itself, this moment (or quicker) Becomes the actual division from Oneness to a Dualism. From here this division descends towards the lower / slower frequencies of Matter and the Physical Universe.
The World of intelligent Man/Ape has been trying to come to grips with this banana since He climbed down from the Trees, hence the multitudinous Belief Systems created throughout history.
The World of intelligent Man/Ape has been trying to come to grips with this banana since He climbed down from the Trees, hence the multitudinous Belief Systems created throughout history.
Good point Pegg because as Isaiah 40v26 says: God is strong in power
[greatness of his might] so according to Scripture Almighty God supplied the needed high-density dynamic energy used to create the material/physical world.
-Jeremiah 10v12; 32v17; Psalm 104v30; 36v9
bhaktajan
Active Member
"Then, what the Hell are We doing* here?"
We souls are stranded out in space. living according to cycles. Experiencing Pain disease, temporal happiness and death ---repeatedly.
The theological logic that 'God Exists' can be seen as the diametrical opposite state of existence that we Spirits-in-the-material-world experience.
"Feelings of seperation from our beloved" is a direct reflection of "Love of God" ---the ettiqutte of inter-personal affairs preps us for the ultimate audience with His Excellency.
I kissed the ring and I knew why I did so ---yet again and again,
Bhaktajan
Per la Gloria d'Roma!
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bhaktajan
Active Member
Cool!:
descends towards the lower / slower frequencies of Matter and the Physical Universe.
This is explained similarly in the Vedas.
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The World of intelligent Man/Ape has been trying to come to grips with this banana since He climbed down from the Trees, hence the multitudinous Belief Systems created throughout history.
But the Bananas always stay the same ---except for man made inflation.
Seems, the oldest profession was supervised by a banana mafiosi.
descends towards the lower / slower frequencies of Matter and the Physical Universe.
This is explained similarly in the Vedas.
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
The World of intelligent Man/Ape has been trying to come to grips with this banana since He climbed down from the Trees, hence the multitudinous Belief Systems created throughout history.
But the Bananas always stay the same ---except for man made inflation.
Seems, the oldest profession was supervised by a banana mafiosi.