Who made God?

[Thief]

I also like cookies and all too often I see insistence about eat someone's cookie.... as if a misdirection to their favorite is a valid argument. :foot:

Again mate. Your post seems rhetorical in that no one can decipher what you are trying to communicate. Thief is a fitting name if you consider the time lost trying to figure out what you are arguing about.

Just to humor you I will scroll back to find something... and wow... that took a longer then one would think... ok so here is a post where I think you might be trying to say something:



Generating a fresh soul? What do you think that means? 6 Billions copies of human is arguing what? Humans by DNA or Cell count are more bacteria then human but what specifically are you trying to argue. What does 6 billion have to do with anything? What is a fresh soul? How does a human generate a fresh soul and are there other living things that generate souls or is this some exclusive magical gift for just humans? And what religion is this?






Cross over where? The static in the movie poltergeist? The ghost world where frauds like Susan Northrop can talk to me? The common every day christian heaven? Mormon Tiered heaven Level 2? (Level 3?) In the sky to live eternally with the Gods in Amenthe? Reincarnated as another man (Or animal?)

Ultimately I have no idea what you are saying... If we cross over... I crossover to different lanes mate when I am driving and sometimes I have to in order to take certain exits.



Valhalla? Aaru? Jannah? How do men create chaos and if they do how would said chaos bleed into the peace of Jannah and how is Jannah considered Jannah if all this bleeding of chaos is going on?



Here we agree. It is clear that in this life while I am alive I can do things that when I am not alive I will no longer be able to. Off the top of my head I am going with pumping blood through veins and breathing but there are many other things too.



So do the terrorists that flew planes in the World Trade Center. In fact it was one of their primary motivations. But what proof do you offer for the life after death and how do you define life if you can have one after death.



I also strongly suspect that the blue squire consults with the red parrot at noon who walks on to level up and has 12 character points to spend or 24 if they specialize in mind control.

Must have hit a nerve.
You're just all over the place with your questions.

Wanna try again?

 

[chinu]

Who made God?

The begaining of life in human body made "God"

_/\_
Chinu

 

[ellenjanuary]

3:14 to the rescue? "Tell them I am that I am..." The tradition of an occupied society to be named for what occupies, Johnny Questioner, is to be a man of God knowing who I am. Perhaps the LC did cast forth this universe, the third, form the ashes of his evolution, the second. Perhaps the Creator has evolved from a trillion year old piece of machine intelligence - but the more universal aka more godlike answer, is that the question is meaningless.

Not that it is a stupid question, but the best a man of god can provide is the reminder - the closer to knowing god, is the closer to being the I that am - and you that ask most truly be answered, only by I.

And take yer causality and... limit thyself.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Ok; so this verse confirms that God has a back and that someone can see his back. So, when someone say "no one can see god and live" does it means that they cannot see god's face and live?
And God also have palms? hmmm, I wonder what else he/she/it has that my neighbor has?

'Back' as in the sense of God's glory. The back or after glow of God's glory.

'Palm' of the hand as meaning a special precaution to act as a screen or shield from God's glory being too much to handle.
[protection from being blinded, killed, dissolved to nothing]

-1st John 4v12; Ex 33v20

 

[Big_TJ]

'Back' as in the sense of God's glory. The back or after glow of God's glory.

But that's not what the scripture says. If that's the spin you want to put on it then fine; but the scripture clearly say "you will see my back" not "you will see my glory."

'Palm' of the hand as meaning a special precaution to act as a screen or shield from God's glory being too much to handle.
[protection from being blinded, killed, dissolved to nothing]

-1st John 4v12; Ex 33v20

Again, this may be the spin you want to put; but the scripture clearly says "palm" not "special precaution."

And, wouldnt your explanation make god look silly? On one hand, he will be showing his "glory" but on the other hand, he will using his "shield" to hide his "glory?"
WTF!!!

 

[URAVIP2ME]

But that's not what the scripture says. If that's the spin you want to put on it then fine; but the scripture clearly say "you will see my back" not "you will see my glory."
Again, this may be the spin you want to put; but the scripture clearly says "palm" not "special precaution."
And, wouldnt your explanation make god look silly? On one hand, he will be showing his "glory" but on the other hand, he will using his "shield" to hide his "glory?"
WTF!!!

Since No man can see God and live [ Ex 33v20; 1st John 3v12]
then why would my explanation make God look silly ?

Isn't verse 18 talking about God's 'glory' ?
God's glory being seen ? How much of his glory?
If too much of God's glory was seen it would have the effect of Ex 33v20?

And haven't you ever shielded your eyes with the palm of your hand?
Didn't your palm act as a shield as a precaution against something ?
Not to cover all with your palm but just partly cover.

Ex 33v11 says face to face. 'Face to face' in that verse is Not literal but as two persons would communicate together as friends closely communicate.
-Numbers 12vs6-8 A.

Not everything in Scripture is literal. Context and setting often explain.

 

[averageJOE]

Not everything in Scripture is literal. Context and setting often explain.

Ahhh...the old "The bible dosen't really mean what it actually says except when it actually says what it means" argument.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Ahhh...the old "The bible dosen't really mean what it actually says except when it actually says what it means" argument.

How do you understand Matthew [13v34] which says Jesus spoke to the crowds in parables [illustrations]?

Is a parable or illustration literal, or told in order to teach a point ?

Do you really think anyone thinks the signs or visions of Revelation are literal?

 

[PolyHedral]

How can a genealogy be a parable?

 

[WordSpeaks]

This is a basic problem of these forums. I'd like to discuss some of these topics, but I like to do so understanding what's been said before. I then get bogged down reading 19-20 pages of posts before saying anything.

Not so this time! I'm not going to read a single post until after I respond to the subject. If this has been said already, I apologize.

Anything that has a beginning has to have a cause.
God has no beginning, thus He needs no cause.

God transcends time. Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." In the beginning, by His own power, God existed.

 

[RitalinO.D.]

God has no beginning, thus He needs no cause.

God transcends time. Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." In the beginning, by His own power, God existed.

Prove it. Show one single piece of evidence, no matter how small, outside of what your "book" tells you.

You provide that and I will hop right on board.

 

[McBell]

This is a basic problem of these forums. I'd like to discuss some of these topics, but I like to do so understanding what's been said before. I then get bogged down reading 19-20 pages of posts before saying anything.

Not so this time! I'm not going to read a single post until after I respond to the subject. If this has been said already, I apologize.

Anything that has a beginning has to have a cause.
God has no beginning, thus He needs no cause.

God transcends time. Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." In the beginning, by His own power, God existed.

Putting aside the assumption that god even exists, you must assume that god ALWAYS existed.

Besides, 99% of the time when I hear the question asked about where did god come from is right after some one makes the claim that nothing can come from nothing there fore god had to create it.
Problem with this statement is that they always want to make god an exception to the rule that they use to prove that god exists.

Another tactic to wiggle out of their comment is to move the goal posts by then claiming that anything created has to have a creator.
However this argument fails because they then make the claim that god is not created.
Same exact problem though.

What it all actually boils down to is they want to claim that god has always existed with absolutely nothing to support said claim but their beliefs and then turn around and claim that nothing else could have always existed also based upon nothing but their beliefs.

 

[McBell]

Prove it. Show one single piece of evidence, no matter how small, outside of what your "book" tells you.

You provide that and I will hop right on board.

I hate when people ask for "evidence" without being specific about said evidence then move the goal posts when evidence is presented.

"WordNet (r) 2.0"
evidence
n 1: your basis for belief or disbelief;
​

Please note that there is absolutely nothing in that definition there that indicates real, physical, empirical, actual, etc.

So if all someone needs to prove to themselves that god exists is to merely look around then, then merely looking around them self is evidence by the very definition of the word.

 

[WordSpeaks]

Prove it. Show one single piece of evidence, no matter how small, outside of what your "book" tells you.

You provide that and I will hop right on board.

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...sm/117182-young-universe-old.html#post2498728

Welcome aboard.

 

[WordSpeaks]

Putting aside the assumption that god even exists, you must assume that god ALWAYS existed.

Besides, 99% of the time when I hear the question asked about where did god come from is right after some one makes the claim that nothing can come from nothing there fore god had to create it.
Problem with this statement is that they always want to make god an exception to the rule that they use to prove that god exists.

Another tactic to wiggle out of their comment is to move the goal posts by then claiming that anything created has to have a creator.
However this argument fails because they then make the claim that god is not created.
Same exact problem though.

What it all actually boils down to is they want to claim that god has always existed with absolutely nothing to support said claim but their beliefs and then turn around and claim that nothing else could have always existed also based upon nothing but their beliefs.

Either something came from nothing, or something always existed.

Most evolutionists I've spoken with back out of this discussion by stating that evolution is about how life came about, not where things came from.

And yet, the question remains, if God did not cause the universe to be created, where did it come from?

The big bang is not an answer. Where did the singularity come from? (And where is the antimatter, but that's another topic.)

I have yet to hear a sufficient answer to this question from a naturalistic point of view.

 

[camanintx]

Anything that has a beginning has to have a cause.
God has no beginning, thus He needs no cause.

God transcends time.

How do you define time, WordSpeaks?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Either something came from nothing, or something always existed.

Or both. See that's the problem with trying to define it. Too many what ifs but truth be told..no one really knows. "God" is a good guess..but a guess none the less.

Most evolutionists I've spoken with back out of this discussion by stating that evolution is about how life came about, not where things came from.

I find this hard to believe which makes it seems like a lie to me...because no "evolutionist" thinks that "evolution is about how life came about".....rather they attempt to explain that evolution is about change as well as it explains the diversification of life on the planet. Creationism fails at this.

And yet, the question remains, if God did not cause the universe to be created, where did it come from?

Could have come from another universe. Again, we simply don't know.

The big bang is not an answer.

Sure it is. We know for a fact our universe is expanding.

 

[zenzero]

Friends,
The point is missed.
To start with G,O,D are words.
where did words come from?
Humans developed them.
Why did they do so?
to communicate.
why is communication necessary?
Existence of which we are a part of has its own way of communication and that is EVOLUTION and that only happens in deep SILENCE and to understand that one needs to be in that deep silence which comes about only when the MIND is STILL.
Since SILENCE is understood by those with still minds and most minds are in motion [thinking mode and not still] communication to the mind becomes important and this led to development of words & languages to communicate an understanding and the word *GOD* too is coined by humans for an understanding and the understanding is that GOD is that which includes all that we see or do not see that is part of existence.
God is not created or is not a person but an understanding or rather a concept!

Love & rgds

 

[McBell]

Either something came from nothing, or something always existed.

False dichotomy.

God could very well have come from a mother and father just like you and me.

Most evolutionists I've spoken with back out of this discussion by stating that evolution is about how life came about, not where things came from.

Evolution explains why there are so many different types of life on this planet.
Nothing more.

And yet, the question remains, if God did not cause the universe to be created, where did it come from?

Another false dichotomy.
You assume the universe had to be created.

It could just as easily have always existed.
I mean, that works for god, why not the universe as well?

The big bang is not an answer. Where did the singularity come from? (And where is the antimatter, but that's another topic.)

The big bang is the beginning of the universe as it is now.
Of course, if you are trying to imply that god had something to do with the big bang, we needs start asking the same questions about god.

I have yet to hear a sufficient answer to this question from a naturalistic point of view.

So what?
I have yet to hear a sufficient answer as to where god came from.
I have heard all manner of ratifications, justifications, and all out bull ****, but not a single answer that sufficiently explains it.

Though I have heard an honest answer: "I don't Know".

 

[ninerbuff]

god made himself when he conjured up from a previous existence how god should be and how god should be able to create a universe that wasn't there before, but of course this was all thought about by pre god, so that current god could tell the story to prophets and then have them passed on to humans.
Sounds like a crap theory from me................but then again, I don't believe it either.