Who made God?

[URAVIP2ME]

The world's false religious sector will not fade away, but suddenly will come to a surprising crashing end when the political world turns on the religious world.

Until the political turns on the religious there is no hope that rationality and reason will become the norm.

1st Thess 5 vs2,3; Rev 17v2; 18v7; 19vs11,15; Isaiah 11v4

 

[otokage007]

The world's false religious sector will not fade away, but suddenly will come to a surprising crashing end when the political world turns on the religious world.

Until the political turns on the religious there is no hope that rationality and reason will become the norm.

1st Thess 5 vs2,3; Rev 17v2; 18v7; 19vs11,15; Isaiah 11v4

Those are pretty big words. But I still don't see what "religion" and "rationality" have in common.

 

[idav]

I still don't see what "religion" and "rationality" have in common.

I suppose unsubstantiated claims can be technically rational but is it really or only when hiding in gaps of knowledge?

 

[averageJOE]

First of all, sometimes in Scripture it is talking about 'adult children'.

Obviously the minor children in Noah's day were not adult children.
1st Corinthians [7v14] is clear that parents are responsible for minor children.

Genesis [18 vs23-32] Abraham questions God that he would not destroy the wicked with the righteous. Since we can not read hearts but God can he knows when the situation is beyond reform or beyond repenting.

Please notice what God wishes at: 2nd Peter 3v9 B _______________

Riiight. Adult children.

Do you actually believe yourself?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Riiight. Adult children.
Do you actually believe yourself?

For example:

Deut 21vs18-20 is talking about an adult child that is a glutton and a drunkard.
'Minor sons' are not judged as drunks and gluttons.

Deut 12v31; 18v10; Jeremiah 32v35; 7v31

What are your thoughts about Leviticus chapter 19 ?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Those are pretty big words. But I still don't see what "religion" and "rationality" have in common.

Jesus also did Not see what the' religion of the Pharisees' in his day had in common with rationality or common sense. -Mark 7vs3-7,13; Matt 15v9.

Jesus also taught in chapter seven of Matthew that many would come in his name but prove false. False because they do not follow Jesus rational line of thought or his logical reasonings based on Scripture.

In past Bible history, when people played false to God, then God used political/military forces against them. [Ezekiel chap 8]

So, since the world's religions today have run afoul playing false to God and his Word, there is no reason to think that God will not once again use the political/military world [UN] as his arm of the law to carry out justice against them, and to complete the words of Revelation chapters 17-19 before Jesus as 'Prince of Peace' will usher in 'Peace on Earth' toward men of goodwill.

 

[outhouse]

there is no reason to think that God will not once again use the political/military world [UN] as his arm of the law to carry out justice

I think even jesus would facepalm that reply.


your now creating a deity to do as you wish.

Your taking a OT vengeful jealous angry god that turned into a kind gentle god and saying he will revert back to the old OT angry god because simply, you think so.

 

[idav]

I think even jesus would facepalm that reply.


your now creating a deity to do as you wish.

Your taking a OT vengeful jealous angry god that turned into a kind gentle god and saying he will revert back to the old OT angry god because simply, you think so.

Haha, good point. God is only vengeful jealous and angry when we are supposed be taking over some land.

 

[Azekual]

The first law of thermodynamics observes the principle of conservation of energy. Energy can be transformed, i.e. changed from one form to another, but cannot be created nor destroyed.

Alright. We will go with this. God exists and has always existed. But he didn't create the universe since matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed. The universe must have always been here also and God didn't create it. Which undoes the Creation story and, with it, any reason to believe that God is who he says he is (the bible is God's Word) because He didn't create the universe as it says he did in the bible.

It may solve one mystery but it destabilizes all of Judeo-christianity with it.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Alright. We will go with this. God exists and has always existed. But he didn't create the universe since matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed. The universe must have always been here also and God didn't create it. Which undoes the Creation story and, with it, any reason to believe that God is who he says he is (the bible is God's Word) because He didn't create the universe as it says he did in the bible.
It may solve one mystery but it destabilizes all of Judeo-christianity with it.

What about CMBR [cosmic microwave background radiation]?

Since science uses CMBR to date the earth and date the universe where are you getting your information?
Because of the accuracy of microwaves that allows for accurate radioactive dating.

The universe did Not come from nothing.
According to Isaiah [40v26] God supplied the needed high-density dynamic energy needed to create.
That energy or active force is called God's spirit according to Psalm 104v30.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I think even jesus would facepalm that reply.
your now creating a deity to do as you wish.
Your taking a OT vengeful jealous angry god that turned into a kind gentle god and saying he will revert back to the old OT angry god because simply, you think so.

How do you explain Jesus as 'Commander in Chief' [Hail to the Chief!] in charge of angelic armies at Revelation 19 vs11,14,15 ?

 

[outhouse]

How do you explain Jesus as 'Commander in Chief' [Hail to the Chief!] in charge of angelic armies at Revelation 19 vs11,14,15 ?

revelations is more of a fantasy piece that should have never made the NT canon

 

[URAVIP2ME]

revelations is more of a fantasy piece that should have never made the NT canon

There is only one Revelation. Without Revelation [revealing of the future]
there would be no climax to Scripture.

It is ancient manuscripts that support Bible canon.
The apocryphal books exclude themselves.
So the church did not decide Bible canon but merely testified to what was already established as the authoritative Word from God.

According to Scripture what were conditions originally like in Eden?
There was no sickness in Eden.
There was no death in Eden.
There was no sorrow in Eden.
There was no pain in Eden.

Now please notice Revelation 21vs4,5. That is a description of original paradisaic conditions in that Garden of Eden in earthly bliss and deathless life.

So, from paradise [Eden] lost to Revelation or paradise [Eden] regained.
Look: there will be curing or healing of the nations. -Rev 22v2; Isaiah 33v24.
This is in fulfillment of God's promise to Abraham that all families of earth will be blessed and all nations of earth will be blessed. -Genesis 22vs17,18
Blessed with healing and curing.

 

[outhouse]

has nothing at all with who made god.


we know ancient hebrews put pen to paper and explained about elohim and yahwey within 250 years of their culture starting. Both of these names were used in oral tradition for a few hundred years before they were written down.


We have a new culture that needed a new deity. So you have insta-deity just add spirituality and some ancient hebrews and you have insta-deity.

 

[Azekual]

What about CMBR [cosmic microwave background radiation]?

Since science uses CMBR to date the earth and date the universe where are you getting your information?
Because of the accuracy of microwaves that allows for accurate radioactive dating.

The universe did Not come from nothing.
According to Isaiah [40v26] God supplied the needed high-density dynamic energy needed to create.


That energy or active force is called God's spirit according to Psalm 104v30.

My example was a hyperbole of how that argument can back fire. It's not intended as a genuine counter argument
How does microwaves work? It only moves at the speed of light and we can't even see the entire universe yet ( what we can see has been estimated as 10% or less and is determined by the light of stars moving towards us)

 

[outhouse]

My example was a hyperbole of how that argument can back fire. It's not intended as a genuine counter argument
How does microwaves work? It only moves at the speed of light and we can't even see the entire universe yet ( what we can see has been estimated as 10% or less and is determined by the light of stars moving towards us)

you might want to check that info, they have mapped some of the universe

 

[outhouse]

How Much Of The Observable Universe Have We Mapped? | The Eternal Universe


no god here, no creation either

 

[outhouse]

this is my fav


Map of the Known Universe

 

[Azekual]

you might want to check that info, they have mapped some of the universe

The Crazy Part:

The part where the Universe isn't just bigger than you can possibly comprehend, but according to recent evidence, billions of times larger than that.What It Says: That the universe is big. So big, that just that fact, just its mere bigness, is enough to blow your tiny ant mind. And it just keeps getting bigger. Lets examine the famous Hubble Ultra Deep Field image, the most massive photo ever taken:

Right now, on your computer screen, are approximately 10,000 galaxies.

Each of those galaxies contains anywhere from ten million to one trillion stars.

The average star is roughly a million times the size of Earth.

And yet, with all that junk, the Universe is more than 90 percent empty space.

All of that, in this tiny photo. A photo that took 400 orbits and 800 exposures to take.

And the kicker? The photo covers one thirteen-millionth of the entire night sky.

So What Does This Do For Me?

If youre like us, it leaves you alternately awash with spiritual wonder and horrified feelings of utter insignificance. Actually imagining just how infinitesimal you are in the scope of the universe is like autoerotic asphyxiation: its not as pleasant as youd think, and if you do it wrong you can end up a vegetable. And without getting too Douglas Adams on you, can you possibly imagine that much space and that many planets and stars and atoms smashing together without intelligent life forming? Now its just a matter of getting around that pesky general relativity and well be chilling with aliens in no time. Or, like, a million years.

Wait, It Gets Worse:

So all that **** we just said about how big the universe is (at least 90 billion light years)? Forget it. Thats small beans. The Cosmological Horizon is here to make your day a whole lot more complicated. Since we can only observe stellar bodies that have had some effect on us (usually bombarding us with light), there is an outer limit to what we can see of the universe. Hence, the observable universe. What about the rest? The parts of the universe beyond our Starcraft-style fog of war? Well, according to some math we have no interest in going into, the size of the actual universe is so large that if the universe we just described (the impossibly, mind-bogglingly large one) were the size of a quarter, the actual universe would be the size of the Earth. Daaaaaaaamn.
Level Of Mind Blowing-ness: The sound of one hand clapping for a tree falling in the woods while no ones around except a guy whose skull is wired with C4.

Source: 5 Scientific Theories That Will Make Your Head Explode | Cracked.com 5 Scientific Theories That Will Make Your Head Explode | Cracked.com

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[tarekabdo12]

Who made God?
A being as powerful as God could no doubt work out a way of bringing itself into existence from nothing.
If God could create the multiverse he could no doubt create himself (like Q in Star Trek).
Bing and he's in existence.

• As I said before, our limited mind capabilities can't totally realize the entity of God. Of course, God is not made but God is the end answer for the question who made anything? and from where did anything come?
• If you were truthful with yourself you should ask Who made the original matter of the universe? or who put the global rules in the universe like gravity?
• Sure, the presence of united rules for the universe and united shape for the creatures proves there is a single omnipotent God who controls the whole universe.