Who made God?

[PolyHedral]

• If you were truthful with yourself you should ask Who made the original matter of the universe? or who put the global rules in the universe like gravity?

Who decided God's nature?

 

[idav]

• As I said before, our limited mind capabilities can't totally realize the entity of God. Of course, God is not made but God is the end answer for the question who made anything? and from where did anything come?
• If you were truthful with yourself you should ask Who made the original matter of the universe? or who put the global rules in the universe like gravity?
• Sure, the presence of united rules for the universe and united shape for the creatures proves there is a single omnipotent God who controls the whole universe.

When I'm honest with myself I realize that if god doesn't need a creator then neither does matter. There are no global "rules" they are just byproducts of existence.

 

[Sententia]

As I said before, our limited mind capabilities can't totally realize the entity of God.

You assume god in your argument. Pointless.

If you were truthful with yourself you should ask Who made the original matter of the universe? or who put the global rules in the universe like gravity?

And if you were truthful you should ask Who made the Original God that made the Original matter of the universe.

You don't have an argument but rather an obvious bias. If you can't see the forest for the trees than stop arguing and do some homework.

Sure, the presence of united rules for the universe and united shape for the creatures proves there is a single omnipotent God who controls the whole universe.

So who came up with the united rules for the god who then controls the whole universe. This is a really poorly thought out argument.

 

[outhouse]

• Sure, the presence of united rules for the universe and united shape for the creatures proves there is a single omnipotent God who controls the whole universe.

if you want to call nature god, thats fine with me.

As I said before, our limited mind capabilities can't totally realize the entity of God.

yes we can

we made him, why cannot we undersdtand something we created?

Of course, God is not made but God is the end answer for the question who made anything? and from where did anything come?

everything came to be from nature.


no magic sky daddy has ever been known to do anything.

If you were truthful with yourself you should ask Who made the original matter of the universe? or who put the global rules in the universe like gravity?

no one made anything


nature has its own rules no one made or put, anywhere.

 

[averageJOE]

• As I said before, our limited mind capabilities can't totally realize the entity of God. Of course, God is not made but God is the end answer for the question who made anything? and from where did anything come?
• If you were truthful with yourself you should ask Who made the original matter of the universe? or who put the global rules in the universe like gravity?
• Sure, the presence of united rules for the universe and united shape for the creatures proves there is a single omnipotent God who controls the whole universe.

"Who" made god? "Who" put god's rules into existance? "Who" is your god anyways?

 

[waitasec]

a self defeating argument...

As I said before, our limited mind capabilities can't totally realize the entity of God.

and the next line contradicts this when you say:

Of course, God is not made but God is the end answer for the question who made anything? and from where did anything come?

how do you know this with you limited mind capabilities?
again you contradict yourself with this:

If you were truthful with yourself you should ask Who made the original matter of the universe? or who put the global rules in the universe like gravity?

how would you know there is a who with your limited mind capabilities?

Sure, the presence of united rules for the universe and united shape for the creatures proves there is a single omnipotent God who controls the whole universe.

no it doesn't.
there is something very flawed with the way we aspire to be, perfect...
1 tube for breathing and eating and our adrenal glands are too big for our bodies...not a smart design by any means.
we can't fly or breathe underwater...yet we are the reason the entire universe was made...?
i think an undue sense of importance feeds into this notion of being able to label the unknowable, and why even try... it's the audacity of religion which induces overcompensation of our unimportance...

 

[crystalonyx]

• Sure, the presence of united rules for the universe and united shape for the creatures proves there is a single omnipotent God who controls the whole universe.

Actually, on earth, creatures come in all kinds of shapes and sizes. WE don't know anything about what alien life forms look like.

 

[outhouse]

Actually, on earth, creatures come in all kinds of shapes and sizes. WE don't know anything about what alien life forms look like.

Nope we dont

but,,,,,,, if they are carbon based, there would be traits like ours.

eye's nose and mouth and ears will be close if your dealing with a mammal.

legs, arms and body, head and neck.



alsp one would have to know how long a alien life form has been in space. had they lived there for millions of years they would have evolved for that as well.

 

[McBell]

eye's nose and mouth and ears will be close if your dealing with a mammal.

legs, arms and body, head and neck.

I would be hesitant to call any extra terrestrial being a "mammal" based solely on what it looks like.

 

[outhouse]

I would be hesitant to call any extra terrestrial being a "mammal" based solely on what it looks like.

if they are carbon based and breath o2, they would have to be mammal based the same way we evolved.


part of my basis for ET is that they are mobile and off there planet since they would have to, for us to know them.

 

[outhouse]

if they were sulfur or silicone or some other element, Ya as far as a mammal goes all bets are off.


the fact none are landing and walking around tells me "IF" they exist our atmosphere is probably poison to them.

 

[McBell]

if they are carbon based and breath o2, they would have to be mammal based the same way we evolved.

I am merely saying that you are making an awful lot of assumptions here.

 

[McBell]

the fact none are landing and walking around tells me "IF" they exist our atmosphere is probably poison to them.

I find it interesting that so few people seem capable of thinking that perhaps we mere humans are not as important to the rest of the universe as so many of our fellow humans would like to think.

 

[PolyHedral]

if they were sulfur or silicone or some other element, Ya as far as a mammal goes all bets are off.


the fact none are landing and walking around tells me "IF" they exist our atmosphere is probably poison to them.

Or space is big. Very big. You wouldn't believe how vastly, mind-bogglingly big it is.

 

[idav]

Or space is big. Very big. You wouldn't believe how vastly, mind-bogglingly big it is.

Meh, 300 sextillion stars isn't all that mind boggling.

Someone printed a bank not for 1 sextillion pengos once (21 zeros).

 

[outhouse]

Or space is big. Very big. You wouldn't believe how vastly, mind-bogglingly big it is.

I understand this quite well.

 

[outhouse]

I am merely saying that you are making an awful lot of assumptions here.

the sheer size of the known universe leaves only your imagination as limiting factor.

but some things are constant with evolution. Certian universal rules do apply.

 

[outhouse]

I find it interesting that so few people seem capable of thinking that perhaps we mere humans are not as important to the rest of the universe as so many of our fellow humans would like to think.

equivalent to a few specs of dust in the ocean.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

In defending creationism, creationists will always uphold the inescapable fact that life only comes from pre-existing life. To that, evolutionists will ask the age old question, If all life comes from preexisting life, who created God?

There is a very simple answer that proves that God did not need to be created and it is found in the first law of thermodynamics.
That law provides us with a real life example of something that cannot be created or destroyed because within the universe, it is eternal.

The first law of thermodynamics observes the principle of conservation of energy. Energy can be transformed, i.e. changed from one form to another, but cannot be created nor destroyed.

So energy is eternal. It cannot be created, nor destroyed because it always exists.Now the second law of thermodynamics tells us that energy is eternal within a closed system. Some will argue that the universe itself is the closed system and that is why the energy is eternal.
However, the universe did not always exist, and considering that the closed system cannot be the 'source' of the energy, as the first law states, then the energy must have come from 'outside' the universe. So where did the energy come from in the first place?


Romans 1:19-20 because what may be known about God is manifest among them, for God made it manifest to them. 20 For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable

Jermiah 10:12 He is the Maker of the earth by his power

Isaiah 40:28 Have you not come to know or have you not heard? Jehovah, the Creator of the extremities of the earth, is a God to time indefinite. He does not tire out or grow weary


So if someone asks you 'who made God', tell them to consider the scientific evidence as found in the first law of thermodynamics.

Why do you presume that the laws of this universe apply outside of this universe?

 

[Photonic]

Or space is big. Very big. You wouldn't believe how vastly, mind-bogglingly big it is.

Nice, you seem to have slipped in a quote from Hitchhikers Guide!

If life only comes from life (as Creationists would put it) than God would, by definition, be undead.

All hail the Zombie Overlord?