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Who made God?

tarekabdo12

tarekabdo12

Active Member
Energy is eternal in a system, but what before the system was present? If there was no system , so there's no energy in this system.

Normal rationale says that everything must have come from something, energy in the universe must have come from an eternal source of energy which is God.
 
PolyHedral

PolyHedral

Superabacus Mystic
tarekabdo12 said:
Energy is eternal in a system, but what before the system was present? If there was no system , so there's no energy in this system.

Normal rationale says that everything must have come from something, energy in the universe must have come from an eternal source of energy which is God.
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Energy as you say, is eternal. There wasn't a before. The system has always been present.
 
Pegg

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
PolyHedral said:
Your argument falls apart because, despite your misunderstanding, the universe has existed for all of time.

It's very careful to pay attention to the wording here. The universe has clearly existed for and will exist for eternity. The fact that eternity has a start is entirely tangential to this. Energy, similarly, is neither created or destroyed. It has and will exist for eternity. However, it existed during the first moment. Trying to conceive of the time when the energy "did not exist" would be wrong.
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science would have agreed with you several decades ago when they did believe the universe was eternal

but it is now understood that it had a beginning and is scientifically proven. Anything beyond that, such as it existed in some other form, is speculation
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
I believe ancient hebrews created god once there culture formed they needed a deity.
So they made one.

every culture did it at that time, whats the issue ???
 
Pegg

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
Android said:
How can anyone view the bible as a book of truth, or being the words of god?
It was written my men.
Bronze age men, who knew nothing of the world except that it was flat.
Men with an agenda!
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if you took a study of its prophecies you'd probably come to the same conclusion I did.
 
Pegg

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
tarekabdo12 said:
Energy is eternal in a system, but what before the system was present? If there was no system , so there's no energy in this system.

Normal rationale says that everything must have come from something, energy in the universe must have come from an eternal source of energy which is God.
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yep, this is exactly why believers can be confident when challenged to prove God exists. :)
 
Pegg

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
Dan4reason said:
It can be analogy, but that does not mean God is energy. I would think that a wonderous being like God would not come by chance and would have a designer.
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that would require the one who made him to be even more wonderful them he

an eternal energy gives credence to an eternal God who did not require a maker.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Really what started, made, or created anything? Ultimately you can't get something from nothing, so weather you believe God was magically created, or matter somehow materialized on it's own, both are at philosophical odds.
I think the only appropriate answer is the universe is expanding, the celestial bodies are moving outwards, but none of us where here to witness what really happened in the beginning.
 
ninerbuff

ninerbuff

godless wonder
Pegg said:
In defending creationism, creationists will always uphold the inescapable fact that life only comes from pre-existing life. To that, evolutionists will ask the age old question, If all life comes from preexisting life, who created God?

There is a very simple answer that proves that God did not need to be created and it is found in the first law of thermodynamics.
That law provides us with a real life example of something that cannot be created or destroyed because within the universe, it is eternal.

The first law of thermodynamics observes the principle of conservation of energy. Energy can be transformed, i.e. changed from one form to another, but cannot be created nor destroyed.

So energy is eternal. It cannot be created, nor destroyed because it always exists.Now the second law of thermodynamics tells us that energy is eternal within a closed system. Some will argue that the universe itself is the closed system and that is why the energy is eternal.
However, the universe did not always exist, and considering that the closed system cannot be the 'source' of the energy, as the first law states, then the energy must have come from 'outside' the universe. So where did the energy come from in the first place?


Romans 1:19-20 because what may be known about God is manifest among them, for God made it manifest to them. 20 For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable

Jermiah 10:12 He is the Maker of the earth by his power

Isaiah 40:28 Have you not come to know or have you not heard? Jehovah, the Creator of the extremities of the earth, is a God to time indefinite. He does not tire out or grow weary


So if someone asks you 'who made God', tell them to consider the scientific evidence as found in the first law of thermodynamics.
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So are you saying god is a form of energy? Energy can be measured. Apparently god can't be physically measured.:confused:
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
PolyHedral said:
Your argument falls apart because, despite your misunderstanding, the universe has existed for all of time.

It's very careful to pay attention to the wording here. The universe has clearly existed for and will exist for eternity. The fact that eternity has a start is entirely tangential to this. Energy, similarly, is neither created or destroyed. It has and will exist for eternity. However, it existed during the first moment. Trying to conceive of the time when the energy "did not exist" would be wrong.
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That would be correct.
Universe....'one word'.
Whose word?....

Exist for eternity?
Current scientists are shown with their faces in the lens,
describing possible scenarios for the 'end of it all'.

Apparently they do believe...physical things terminate.

God is spirit.
Physical law is not likely to apply.

There won't be any equations or science experiment for proof of God.

You'll just have to think about it.
 
Cain

Cain

Member
Pegg said:
In defending creationism, creationists will always uphold the inescapable fact that life only comes from pre-existing life. To that, evolutionists will ask the age old question, If all life comes from preexisting life, who created God?

There is a very simple answer that proves that God did not need to be created and it is found in the first law of thermodynamics.
That law provides us with a real life example of something that cannot be created or destroyed because within the universe, it is eternal.

The first law of thermodynamics observes the principle of conservation of energy. Energy can be transformed, i.e. changed from one form to another, but cannot be created nor destroyed.

So energy is eternal. It cannot be created, nor destroyed because it always exists.Now the second law of thermodynamics tells us that energy is eternal within a closed system. Some will argue that the universe itself is the closed system and that is why the energy is eternal.
However, the universe did not always exist, and considering that the closed system cannot be the 'source' of the energy, as the first law states, then the energy must have come from 'outside' the universe. So where did the energy come from in the first place?


Romans 1:19-20 because what may be known about God is manifest among them, for God made it manifest to them. 20 For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable

Jermiah 10:12 He is the Maker of the earth by his power

Isaiah 40:28 Have you not come to know or have you not heard? Jehovah, the Creator of the extremities of the earth, is a God to time indefinite. He does not tire out or grow weary


So if someone asks you 'who made God', tell them to consider the scientific evidence as found in the first law of thermodynamics.
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My answer and also my question is: "Who didn't make god?"
Being this is Religious Debates I propose to this discussion that all forms of a god as well as demons, angels, djinn, devils, etc. are what Dr. Carl Jung expertly surmised as archetypal images that are embedded deep within our Psyche.
 
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