Who Or What Is Israel?

[2ndpillar]

If you look at scripture the Christians & Jews
have, they too are hideously violent.
So you can't reason from that to justify Jews
massacring Muslims.

Your problem is that "Jews" aren't massacring Muslims, it is Muslims massacring people around the world. Have you ever heard of 911? Have you ever heard of the Munich massacre? Have you ever heard of Bangladesh and Pakistan massacre?

Munich massacre - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Bangladesh genocide - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Revoltingest]

If you listened to Palestinians, you wouldn't know that they are those most financially supported people in the world, less the finances stolen by their elected leaders.

I do listen.
I find your claim false.
Israel has intentionally kept Gazans financially destitute.
(We know this from Wikileaks.)

Their financial support was also undermined by the military spending in and under Gaza. Instead of building water supplies with the donated piping, they built rockets. Instead of building homes and schools, they used the concrete to build tunnels. They can go where they want in the world, but nobody wants them, not even their fellow Muslims. The Egyptians are building another wall on Gaza's southern border. The Gazans want to go into Israel, kill civilians, and take the land, from the river to the sea. As you do to others, shall be done to you.

Regarding wanting to kill, Israel is the gold
medal winner with a kill ratio about 30 times
as big as Hamas's. And it's rising with the
continued attacks, starvation, & denial of
medical services.
There is really something very wrong with a
religion that is so self-reverential, so wallowing
in victimhood, with so little regard for Muslims,
& so blind to its own crimes against humanity.

 

[Revoltingest]

Your problem is that "Jews" aren't massacring Muslims, it is Muslims massacring people around the world. Have you ever heard of 911? Have you ever heard of the Munich massacre? Have you ever heard of Bangladesh and Pakistan massacre?

Munich massacre - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Bangladesh genocide - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Once again, you seek to show Muslims in a bad light
in order to justify Jews committing genocide against
them. I loathe Islam. I find Muslim theocracies to
be evil. But this does not justify Jews committing
genocide against Muslims.

 

[metis]

Plus, Jesus told us that the old Jewish house 'of worship' is abandoned by God

Then take your Bible and rip out the entire OT as there it says that his people [Jews} would never be forgotten or abandoned.

 

[metis]

you have it backwards, What Israel wants (peace) is affected by terrorists actions.

BTW, have you noticed that I have asked several times what some here would do if it was their daughter who was raped by Hamas, and their villages and their homes that were under attack by myriads of missiles? But they don't respond to this but immediately deviate to the past matched with hypocritical hyperbole. Quite telling, eh?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

for I am the Lord that healeth thee.

So please explain the billions of people who are not healed, including many who suffer terribly.

 

[2ndpillar]

Once again, you seek to show Muslims in a bad light
in order to justify Jews committing genocide against
them. I loathe Islam. I find Muslim theocracies to
be evil. But this does not justify Jews committing
genocide against Muslims.

You have failed to prove that Jews commit genocide against Muslims. You seem to view the situation through the lens of Tik Tok, a Communist owned company, under the laws of China, to support the CCP. On the other hand, the Hamas leadership continually express that they want to destroy all of the Jews.

Understanding Hamas’s Genocidal Ideology

A close read of Hamas’s founding documents clearly shows its intentions.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[IndigoChild5559]

But this does not justify Jews committing
genocide against Muslims.

*IF* Jews were actually committing genocide, I would agree. However, we aren't. I for example have never killed a single person. The Israelis have killed quite a few, but only as a result of collateral damage, meaning that the TARGET of their offensive is Hamas, not civilians, and that the civilians who die were not the objective. THAT is not genocide. Genocide would be if they wanted to kill every last Palestinian. Sorry, but genocide is simply not a part of Israeli strategy.

 

[2ndpillar]

So please explain the billions of people who are not healed, including many who suffer terribly.

The healing per the Torah comes by keeping the words of God. The "Christian" community thinks that it can be healed by deeming the "law" as "passing away", and "obsolete", therefore, they reap what they sow, and remain in their sins, which is manifested by sickness. One consequence is that their suffering is compounded by having to pay high-rate Jewish doctors to draw out their period of dying.

 

[Revoltingest]

You have failed to prove that Jews commit genocide against Muslims.

I know I'll never be able to prove it to a zionist.
But I've posted the 1948 UN definition, & listed
the criteria that meet it.

You seem to view the situation through the lens of Tik Tok,....

I have never watched whatever that is.
Try another ad hominem.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I have never watched whatever that is.
Try another ad hominem.

I have heard many outrageous and baseless accusations made against you on this forum. That you're a fascist, an antisemite, a racist, so on and so on.

But, I gotta say, someone accusing you of getting your political views from Tik Tok is a whole other level. Honestly, it might be my favourite. It's amusingly absurd on so many levels.

 

[Revoltingest]

*IF* Jews were actually committing genocide, I would agree.

Per the 1948 definition, it is indeed genocide.

However, we aren't. I for example have never killed a single person.

"Jews" are a group, & Israel is the "Jewish State".
Let's not defend genocide by claiming that not
all Jews have ever killed anyone or that not all
Jews even support what Israel is doing
Nonetheless, religion is a major part of this.
Many cite scripture to justify genocide...they just
won't admit to that particular term for killing over
30,000 Muslims, destroying their buildings, starving
them, apartheid, & the plan to send the survivors
to Africa.

The Israelis have killed quite a few...

You should re-read that quoted text.
It's utterly bonkers to describe that death
& destruction with such a flippant dismissal.

..but only as a result of collateral damage, meaning that the TARGET of their offensive is Hamas, not civilians, and that the civilians who die were not the objective. THAT is not genocide. Genocide would be if they wanted to kill every last Palestinian. Sorry, but genocide is simply not a part of Israeli strategy.

It's been clear that Israelis kill out of vengeance
& that collateral damage is intentional. They
even killed their own hostages when mistaken
for unarmed Palestinians waving a white flag.
Their philosophy...
"Kill'm all, & let Yahweh sort'm out."

 

[Revoltingest]

I have heard many outrageous and baseless accusations made against you on this forum. That you're a fascist, an antisemite, a racist, so on and so on.

Don't forget "creationist".

But, I gotta say, someone accusing you of getting your political views from Tik Tok is a whole other level. Honestly, it might be my favourite. It's amusingly absurd on so many levels.

It is indeed bizarre.

But I long ago learned that to be insulted
isn't so bad. Nay, it can be useful, offering
an opportunity to address the motivation.

Edit....
I am the biggest jerk on RF. Undisputed.
A flame war with me won't be fun

 

[2ndpillar]

I have never watched whatever that is.
Try another ad hominem.

It is a lot like CNN, a source of fake information. You get your vacuum of actual facts from somewhere. It is not that fake information stands on its own. Maybe you get your information from your blue haired, tattooed, fully pierced girlfriend or boyfriend. Or maybe you actually went to one of those elitest Universities, whose foundation of soft science studies is investigating gender pronouns, and interpretive dance. Their curriculum seems to be about woke ideology, and the canonization of the supposedly oppressed.

 

[2ndpillar]

Per the 1948 definition, it is indeed genocide.

Says you.

 

[Revoltingest]

It is a lot like CNN, a source of fake information.

I've listed my sources.
Among them....
BBC
NPR
NY Times
Washington Post
Al Jazeera
Times Of Israel

Yet you choose to criticize one not listed.
And you're shy about revealing yours.

 

[Revoltingest]

Says you.

If you read carefully, it would be...
"Says the UN...in 1948".

 

[2ndpillar]

It is indeed bizarre.

It is actually factual, as Tik Tok has a proven bias towards the Palestinians, and their ownership company is tied to the CCP, which under CCP law, they have to support the Chinese government, and as with Hong Kong, turns over information to the Communist about their communications and locations. Anyone supporting the Muslims have to get their bias from somewhere. CNN doesn't have enough viewers to support that much support, whereas Tik Tok has around 178 million U.S. viewers. There is a reason it is against the law to have a government media device with Tok Tok when working for the U.S. government. The CCP and Hamas are both a security concern for the U.S., as well as their affiliate Tik Tok.

 

[2ndpillar]

BBC
NPR
NY Times
Washington Post
Al Jazeera

That is where CNN probably get their fake information. I don't know anything about the "Times of Israel", but if it is like the New York Times, well that says a lot.

 

[Revoltingest]

It is actually factual, as Tik Tok has a proven bias towards....

I don't care about a source I don't use.
But regarding bias, most media are pro-Israel
& anti-Muslim.
Example....
Listen to coverage of the violence.
You'll hear "Hamas killed...".
You'll hear "Palestinians are dying".
Active vs passive voice betrays the bias.
Palestinians dying is just something that
happens....no mention of who is killing them.
This makes no reference to Israel.