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I realize that there is a subtle distinction between these two labels, but to me, it is so subtle that its not really worth arguing about.
A really excellent question, but one that is really beyond me to answer.
Again, beyond me. My impression is that back then, there was no concept of religion that was separate from the other elements of life. If one was an Israelite, it was the totality of being part of the Israelite people, and religious assumptions were simply a part of the pie. I suspect that most of the concepts we have today, such as conversion, would seem very odd to people back then. But these are just my ideas as a total amateur. It's more something that should be asked of someone who has really made study of these things their area of expertise.
I wasn't using caps to claim the argument was legitimate. I appropriately used it to emphasize the word most important to understanding my comment. SHE became a Jew, She became a JEW, and She BECAME a Jew all mean subtly different things. When we speak out loud, it is second nature to show emphasis by upping the volume and changing the pitch in a word. It's a little tougher to do that in print, but one way is to use caps.
I had to take a day to think over just how to respond to this. I most commonly use the word "convert" in these kind of forums because it is the best approximation, one that others can understand. But I think the reality is something a little different. I think that Judaism preserves an older way of seeing the world, where religion is not something that is picked apart from the rest of one's culture.
I agree.First, thanks for your very good post.
Just a side note: the actions of Zipporah in Exodus 2:21 is not the same as those of Ruth the Moabite. Just how long did Moses attach himself to his wife's people, when did she attach herself to her husband's people, and how old were Eliezer and Gershom at that time?
It's complicated.
First, 2 Esdras was written about 100 CE. It was not written by Ezra. It is not considered canon by either Jews, Catholics, Protestants, or Eastern Orthodox.
Esdras is the Inspired Word of Elohim/God. To me it is Canon teaching the same things as taught in the Holy Scriptures/Bible.
Yes, clearly in your self-created religion which has one person in it, Esdras is canon.
The distinction is between Israel and the Nations. It absolutely is NOT talking about sinful or heretical Jews. Sinful and heretical Jews are still PART OF ISRAEL.
It appears a Self-Created, although Really it is the Original Teaching of Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ that the Natural Man cannot see. All things are Created by Elohim/God whether Good or Bad.
Exodus 4:22
You keep quoting things that don't prove your point.
Jeremiah 17:9
I already responded to this, and no, your verse STILL does not prove your point.
Zechariah 2:8
When I say the conversation had become tedious and let's move on, it's a way of saying, Please, don't send me any more replies on this issue. But you knew that, of course.
Your Refuse to See the Righteousness of Elohim/God. Elohim's/God's Righteousness that the Elohim/God of Israel has Shown Me is Not the Same as the Righteousness that Elohim/God of Israel has show you. In Elohim's/God's Lowest Flesh Form, god is a Racist. Elohim/God is the Creator of All Things with Racism being a Little Aspect of god.
Everybody Knows that Jews Only Accept the Authority of Other Jews about Jewish/Israel Identity.