Who Would This Person Be Within Hinduism

[Aupmanyav]

Yeh, so my point really was that the Sramanas were influenced by Vedic ideas, even if they departed from the mainstream and created their own traditions.

No. Since there was no 'sramana' tradition in Vedas, all belong to the indigenous stream, IMHO.

 

[Aupmanyav]

In dimensions, the lowest dimensions are dense consciousness or matter; the highest is pure consciousness or Oneness. .. 'People' haven't ever been to the metaphysical realm, as you have to be without matter to be there. .. Oh come on, some of my posts have been alright.

I do not believe in pure consciousness floating around and also not in any realm other than physical. I do agree that some of your posts have been alright and really, do not want to break your heart. But then how far you can stretch the string?

 

[wizanda]

But then how far you can stretch the string?

Depends on which strings, if we mean quantum strings, then it all depends on our perspective....

If heart strings, then mine are already broken, on finding that what i was informed of as a child is real, and so far not found a way to change a thing about it....

 

[Aupmanyav]

A discussion.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Seems pretty clear that this is the case.

On what basis do you make this claim?

It is my opinion based on the information I have.

And you are of course entitled to your opinion.

What would you say is the common factor that binds all these religions under the one umbrella?

Does there have to be such a common factor?

 

[The_Fisher_King]

I'm not sure where you're getting your information from, but I agree with Madhuri on all counts here. BTW, just where are you getting your information from? I don't realy think non-Hindus sources with hidden agendas of belittling Hinduism are valid sources of information.

I think quite a few scholars and 'practitioners' consider that the family of religions described as Hinduism has diverse roots which have all influenced each other in various ways over the years. The Vedas are one such root. But I don't think they are either the first/principal root or the 'common factor uniting all of them under the one umbrella.'

I certainly have no intention of belittling the Hindu religions. I have a lot of respect for them and their teachings.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

It has definitely deviated from that. And that is no problem. Aryans were immigrants, they merged with the indigenous. In the process there was give and take on both sides. Both sides accepted the changes, and the results have been good for thousands of years. It was like sugar in milk

I wasn't criticising it.

 

[Vinayaka]

I think quite a few scholars and 'practitioners' consider that the family of religions described as Hinduism has diverse roots which have all influenced each other in various ways over the years. The Vedas are one such root. But I don't think they are either the first/principal root or the 'common factor uniting all of them under the one umbrella.'

I certainly have no intention of belittling the Hindu religions. I have a lot of respect for them and their teachings.

Sorry. You didn't answer my question. Just where are you getting information about Hinduism from? I'd really like to know this. It's sort of important to me. You see, most of the information about Hindus that is available to the average person is written by non-Hindus. It's sort of like asking a person who lives in Australia to tell you about what its like to live in Hong Kong.

 

[paarsurrey]

Braman resides in ultimate reality

Brahman or G-d is himself the ultimate reality. It would be more accurate to say reality or truth resides in Him. Right? Please
Regards

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Sorry. You didn't answer my question. Just where are you getting information about Hinduism from? I'd really like to know this. It's sort of important to me. You see, most of the information about Hindus that is available to the average person is written by non-Hindus. It's sort of like asking a person who lives in Australia to tell you about what its like to live in Hong Kong.

I have studied various Hindu texts, especially the four Vedas, the Muktikā (Upanishads), the Mahabharata, the Maha Puranas (especially the Bhagavata, Brahma, Brahmanda, Garuda, Markandeya, Matsya and Visnu Puranas), the Brahma Sutras, the Yoga Sūtras of Patañjali, the Bhairav Tantra, some of the works of Adi Shankara, Abhinavagupta, Vivekananda and Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan and among Western scholars, the likes of Gavin Flood, David N Lorenzen and Andrew J Nicholson. I have also had a couple of Hindu teachers.

 

[paarsurrey]

I have studied various Hindu texts, especially the four Vedas, the Muktikā (Upanishads), the Mahabharata, the Maha Puranas (especially the Bhagavata, Brahma, Brahmanda, Garuda, Markandeya, Matsya and Visnu Puranas), the Brahma Sutras, the Yoga Sūtras of Patañjali, the Bhairav Tantra, some of the works of Adi Shankara, Abhinavagupta, Vivekananda and Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan and among Western scholars, the likes of Gavin Flood, David N Lorenzen and Andrew J Nicholson. I have also had a couple of Hindu teachers.

I appreciate it. No harm in studying Hinduism scriptures or scriptures of other world religions. Only the Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism have no scriptures, they are not blessed with any. Sorry for that.
The revealed scripture of every religion are a joint natural treasure of the humankind and should be seen like that. Right? Please
Regards

 

[Aupmanyav]

I wasn't criticising it.

There is nothing wrong in honest criticism. But I understand that you did not intend it that way. I too was not complaining, I was agreeing to what you said.

I have studied various Hindu texts, especially the four Vedas, the Muktikā (Upanishads), the Mahabharata, the Maha Puranas (especially the Bhagavata, Brahma, Brahmanda, Garuda, Markandeya, Matsya and Visnu Puranas), the Brahma Sutras, the Yoga Sūtras of Patañjali, the Bhairav Tantra, some of the works of Adi Shankara, Abhinavagupta, Vivekananda and Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan and among Western scholars, the likes of Gavin Flood, David N Lorenzen and Andrew J Nicholson. I have also had a couple of Hindu teachers.

Oh, Oh! You really are a scholar of Hinduism. I appreciate your interest in Hinduism. I am sure members here can benefit by your studies. Make it clear to them that you are not here to ruffle their feathers.

Only the Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism have no scriptures, they are not blessed with any.

That is not correct, Paarsurrey. Hinduism has a long association with atheism. I found my atheism through the creation hymn in RigVeda (Nasadiya Sukta - http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv10129.htm). Have a look at it.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Yeh, so my point really was that the Sramanas were influenced by Vedic ideas, even if they departed from the mainstream and created their own traditions.

Sure, all philosophies in India have been influencing each other since time immemorial. So to say, there is no true blue-blood philosophy, whether it be any in Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism or Sikhism. Sikhism was hugely influenced by Islam.

 

[wizanda]

Brahman or G-d is himself the ultimate reality. It would be more accurate to say reality or truth resides in Him. Right? Please
Regards

It was in contrast to the reply, of saying Brahman is in Heaven, and was meaning Heaven its self is Oneness, and from there all reality is made manifest.....

Braman resides in ultimate reality, in the highest dimensions of pure consciousness, at the very source of all creation, like a CPU manifesting reality.

Yet you're right, Brahman is our ultimate reality is what was meant, when we look at the full sentence.

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
Brahman or G-d is himself the ultimate reality. It would be more accurate to say reality or truth resides in Him. Right? Please

It was in contrast to the reply, of saying Brahman is in Heaven, and was meaning Heaven its self is Oneness, and from there all reality is made manifest...

But Heaven is also a name of a place and a creation of Brahman/G-d. Right? Please
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Sure, all philosophies in India have been influencing each other since time immemorial. So to say, there is no true blue-blood philosophy, whether it be any in Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism or Sikhism. Sikhism was hugely influenced by Islam.

Guru Baba Nanak had nothing to do with Vedas or or Hinduism. Right?Please
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
Only the Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism have no scriptures, they are not blessed with any.

There is nothing wrong in honest criticism. But I understand that you did not intend it that way. I too was not complaining, I was agreeing to what you said.Oh, Oh! You really are a scholar of Hinduism. I appreciate your interest in Hinduism. I am sure members here can benefit by your studies. Make it clear to them that you are not here to ruffle their feathers. That is not correct, Paarsurrey. Hinduism has a long association with atheism. I found my atheism through the creation hymn in RigVeda (Nasadiya Sukta - http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv10129.htm). Have a look at it.

That does not prove that Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism regard vedas as their scripture. Right? Please
Regards

 

[wizanda]

But Heaven is also a name of a place and a creation of Brahman/G-d. Right?

If there wasn't Brahman/CPU, there would be no reality as we know it....

Though not sure if Heaven/Oneness exists as wisdom, and unconditional love exist; thus the highest forms of consciousness, just float to the top.

You see Heaven isn't 'created', it is in a realm of pure consciousness; it is beyond infinite time, in a place where all possibility has/hasn't happened.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Guru Baba Nanak had nothing to do with Vedas or Hinduism. Right?

That is not correct. The philosophy of Sri Guru Nanak was based on the teaching of Vedas and Upanishads. Though he was against idolatry and ritualism. That is what he rejected. He believed in Brahman like Hindus do - Ek Onkar, and in 'Advaita' (Non-duality).

Ek onkar satnam kartapurakh, Nirmoh nirvair akaal murat, Ajuni saibhan, Guru parsad, Jap aad sach, Jugaad sach, Hai bhi sach, Nanak hosi bhi sach.

Ek Onkar - There is Only One God, Sat Naam - His Name is True, Karta Purakh - He is the Doer, Nirbhau - Without Fear, Nirvair - Without Hate, Akaal Moorat - Ominipresent, Ajooni - Free from Birth and Death, Saibhan - Self-Illuminating, GurParsad - Realized through the Grace of the True Guru, Jap - Meditate upon His Name, Aad Sach - For He was True when Time Began, Jugaad Sach - He has been True since the Ages, Hai Bhi Sach - He is still True, Nanak Hosi Bhi Sach - Guru Nanak says He will forever be True.

That does not prove that Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism regard vedas as their scripture. Right?

I am a Hindu atheist and I go by my books, Vedas, Upanishads, Bhagawat Gita, Bhagawat Purana, etc. What other Atheists/Agnostics/Skeptics do is none of my concern.

 

[Aupmanyav]

But Heaven is also a name of a place and a creation of Brahman/G-d. Right?

Paarsurrey, Hindus have the freedom to form their own opinion, 'mata'. It is not considered a crime or blasphemy. First thing, Brahman is not equivalent to God. As Wizanda said in his post, many Hindus believe that Brahman is what all exists. So, some Hindus will believe that even a stone or a leaf is none other than Brahman. Yes, some Hindus believe in heaven and hell as places, I do not believe in heaven or hell, or even creation. But Hindus do not chafe/get angry if another Hindu has a different view. It takes time to understand Hinduism.