Why are Christians so judgmental?

Malus 12:9 · Oct 21, 2005

Melody said:
You are in error. I don't know you well enough to form an opinion either way.

Let me rephrase that. I am going by my posts...don't be afraid dear, you aren't the only one...

Malus 12:9 · Oct 21, 2005

I still post anyways.

Immortal Awakened · Oct 21, 2005

FeathersinHair said:
+++MOD POST+++

Attacking other member's faith or other members is not appropriate for a public forum.

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is there a specific post that youre referring to? or might you provide a specific example of this?

Malus 12:9 · Oct 21, 2005

My post, Immortal, about the dragon comment.

Melody · Oct 21, 2005

Immortal Awakened said:
no? may i preserve this quote in gold alloy?

If it amuses you.

Immortal Awakened said:
am i allowed to share a non-theist view with theists too? if they share theist views with a non-theist such as myself?

Well, yes, that's what this forum is for.

Immortal Awakened said:
dont christians have free reign throughout the forums?

will i be segregated?

Not hardly and no you will not be segregated. I think we get along pretty well in RF. In fact, I'd go so far as to say we get along splendidly despite our belief systems. I can't have discussions with my extended family as I do here because it would escalate into a shouting match.

Immortal Awakened said:
its the bible which christians have often used to judge me; which shows me that these are specifically christian judgments with a christian hellfire and brimstone flavor; nonchristian judgments dont condemn my soul to the eternal hellfire

I try to avoid these "christians". I leave the judging up to God and I have no clue what he's going to do. Yes, I know what the bible says but I also know it was written hy humans with their own agenda. I'd rather promote the message of His love through my own behavior and attitude.

Malus 12:9 · Oct 21, 2005

I think we get along pretty well in RF

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Immortal Awakened · Oct 21, 2005

Shaggy Flasko said:
The Bible specifically condemns judging one's neighbor,

then why all of the biblically based mass genocide throughout scripture?

as if he should take the place of God.

so God is the only one who should be judgmental?

If someone is a good Christian, they should be able to disagree without condemning people like some intellectual suicide bomber.

i fully agree; but christians have a history of slaughtering people

I think we're forgetting the entire basis of Christianity: love.

i think that many christians forget love

If a "Christian" has not love, then guess what... Just because someone calls himself a Christian, doesn't make it so.

so unloving people arent true christians? sounds judgmental

After all, what are the greatest commandments? It's pretty simple.

how did we go from love to law here? the government which authored the ten commandments also slaughtered six nationalities in the context of mass genocide

Love the Lord thy God with all your heart, soul, strength and mind.
Love your neighbor as yourself.

and what if someone breaks this law? (as we all do); do they get judged?

Voila, we see that it's not Christianity that is judgmental,

have you ever read the old testament?

but the people that don't understand Christianity

what is your understanding of christianity?

and cling to their own hatred of their fellow man.

as is exhibited in biblical mass genocide

God bless.
-Bill

Melody · Oct 21, 2005

Malus,
If you have a specific complaint, please report it privately to a mod or admin. Otherwise, let's get back to the topic at hand. Thanks.

Malus 12:9 · Oct 21, 2005

Melody said:
Malus,
If you have a specific complaint, please report it privately to a mod or admin. Otherwise, let's get back to the topic at hand. Thanks.

Weren't the rules aposed to be if you have an issue with a specific person, to try and resolve it with them first? Very well, I shall PM you now.

Immortal Awakened · Oct 21, 2005

Shaggy Flasko said:
Perhaps if one feels that he's being abused my members of a particular faith, the best solution is to challenge those people on the grounds of their own faith.

sounds great; but wont that be percieved as judgmental?

I would bring up Matthew 7, for example.

in what context? is there a particular verse that youre referring to?

It's sad that we, as humans, divide ourselves so readily.

into classes of christians and nonchristians? theists and nontheists?

I've met some fantastic people that I would've never known if I'd been more closed minded, including among my atheist friends.

thats nice

God bless.
-Bill

Melody · Oct 21, 2005

Immortal Awakened said:
then why all of the biblically based mass genocide throughout scripture?

Tally 'em up. Then consider we're talking about what....5,000...6,000...more ?....years?
No tally up the genocide that has occurred by nonchristians in just the last 100 years.

Immortal Awakened said:
so God is the only one who should be judgmental?

Yes.

Immortal Awakened said:
i fully agree; but christians have a history of slaughtering people

See previous post. No more so than anyone else.

Immortal Awakened said:
i think that many christians forget love

I think they do too....they're human also.

Immortal Awakened said:
so unloving people arent true christians? sounds judgmental

It would be judging to say they are not true christians. It is not judging to take them to task for their behavior.

Immortal Awakened said:
and what if someone breaks this law? (as we all do); do they get judged?

By God

Immortal Awakened · Oct 21, 2005

FeathersinHair said:
No. Which is why neither is allowed.

okay, cool

If you see either happening, please PM me or another Mod or Admin, or press the 'report feature."

that i will; thanks

Let's look at the other 10, shall we?

sure

2=Pagan
3=Muslim
2-Jewish
1=Discordian
1=Atheist
1= Rastafarian

So, in the given example, if 3 out of the 20 are judgemental, simple odds are that they'll be Christian.

so christians are just as judgmental as anyone else? its all equal? the funny thing is that ive been told by many christians that they actually judge people less than others, because their religion tells them to love others instead

Throw into that mix the infinite variety of people that consider themselves to be Christians, and chances are even more likely.

and what specifically constitutes a true christian?; dont you believe that a christian profession is enough?

As for why 'the most judgemental' people you meet are of that faith, if you live in an area where certain types of Christianity are prevalant, it's only natural that this happens.

ive been around lots of christians

Editted to add: I hope you don't get a bad impression of RF from this thread.

i try to look at individual behaviors first, unless i see an established group pattern otherwise

As with so many things, people are greatly affected by how a question is asked.

and how a question is answered; very true

Immortal Awakened · Oct 21, 2005

Malus01 said:
I think religion in general, alongside religious knowledge, makes religious people think they are better than others. Not just Christianity, but many others.

so religious knowledge makes people more judgmental?

Just take a look at any of my religious debates in this forum...

what did you debate about?

Melody · Oct 21, 2005

Immortal Awakened said:
and what specifically constitutes a true christian?; dont you believe that a christian profession is enough?

Depends on how you define christian. I'm beginning to think the term is meaningless but then I think I already said that in another thread.

Malus 12:9 · Oct 21, 2005

so religious knowledge makes people more judgmental?

Yes, but a mod post earlier has spoken.

what did you debate about?

See for yourself

Actually it isn't so much I feel Chistians here are as judgmental as the Islam members. And that was not meant as an insult.

Immortal Awakened · Oct 21, 2005

Melody said:
Theist/atheist conflict? Not at all.

okay, good

You are the one trying to make the case that christians are more judgmental than other theists or non-theists.

and where specifically have i made this claim? please quote me

I believe you are in error.

i believe that you are misrepresenting me

Judgmental people abound in both the theist and atheist camp and neither has the exclusive claim.

and where specifically have i referenced otherwise? please quote me

Please list the history of genocide that you attribute to christians.

moses and joshua exterminated six nationalities in the context of the bible, as directly ordered by the christian god in the old testament

In WWII, the Nazis killed 6 million Jews and Hitler was not a Christian, nor did this genocide have anything to do with religion. The Jews were merely Hitlers scapegoat in his rise for power. He didn't restrict himself to Jews. He also murdered about 4 million others for various reasons.

actually, ive heard that hitler was a catholic, although ive not ventured to specifically verify this; however, hitlers mass exterminations of the jews were not quite as thorough as the mass exterminations of moses and his immediate successor joshua, in the context of the bible; hitler left some survivors, whereas moses and joshua recieved direct orders from the god of the bible to leave no survivors; in fact, when King Saul specifically disobeyed the god of the bible, by not exterminating an entire race of amalekites, he was removed from kingship and replaced by king david; contextually, king saul had failed to enact mass genocide, and was therefore rejected as king

In 1915, the ruling Ottoman turks murdered 1.5 million Armenians. The turks were not Christian.