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Why are people afraid of their beliefs being questioned ?

psychoslice

Veteran Member
So you're saying I'm asleep?
Ignorant, Misinformed, Why don't you just say crazy and we can have a field day with it.

Your perspective is.... interesting, To say the least.

Crazy ?, my god were all crazy in one way or another, all i can say is that i woke up to realize that religion was not for me, it kept me from growing. When I left Christianity i started to grow for the first time, I realized i didn't need some god out there, that I had to do it for myself, and not rely on a man that supposedly died for my sins. Really what good is that, he died for nothing, nothing has changed, no we have to do it for ourselves.
 

Thana

Lady
Crazy ?, my god were all crazy in one way or another, all i can say is that i woke up to realize that religion was not for me, it kept me from growing. When I left Christianity i started to grow for the first time, I realized i didn't need some god out there, that I had to do it for myself, and not rely on a man that supposedly died for my sins. Really what good is that, he died for nothing, nothing has changed, no we have to do it for ourselves.


I'm sorry, I have to point this out.
You just said 'My God' and then went on to say there is no God.
I know you didn't mean it like that, But I can't help but find it amusing.
It's the little things, You know? :D

I'm not sad you left Christianity, I'm just sad you left God.
But to each their own, And I wish you the best in your Godless life, Sincerely.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
You don't have to respect God. Just respect the fact that someone else believes in Him, And insulting Him is insulting the persons creator.
It's the same as insulting their father or mother, They're not going to appreciate it.

You don't know their mother, But you insult her.
You don't believe their mother is real, Insulting their intellegence and ability to distinguish between reality and fantasy.

Can you see how it can upset people greatly?

Hey Thana...

With all sincerity, this actually interests me. Your point makes sense, although obviously I see the world differently. My question is around where is the line between questioning and respect? Is it disrespectful to question someone's belief, or to disagree with it? Or perhaps to debate with them on something? Or is it more around the tenor of the debate, and the language used?

For me, generally at least, I'll try and be respectful of other's beliefs, assuming they are being respectful. I feel less compelled to if they're not holding themselves to the same standard, although I try to rise above. Sometimes I just get in one of those moods, though...lol

But I guess my version of respect is moderation in my language, acknowledgement that mine is not the only way of looking at the world, and that there is no certainty. Some might not see that as respect, I suppose?
 

Thana

Lady
Hey Thana...

With all sincerity, this actually interests me. Your point makes sense, although obviously I see the world differently. My question is around where is the line between questioning and respect? Is it disrespectful to question someone's belief, or to disagree with it? Or perhaps to debate with them on something? Or is it more around the tenor of the debate, and the language used?

For me, generally at least, I'll try and be respectful of other's beliefs, assuming they are being respectful. I feel less compelled to if they're not holding themselves to the same standard, although I try to rise above. Sometimes I just get in one of those moods, though...lol

But I guess my version of respect is moderation in my language, acknowledgement that mine is not the only way of looking at the world, and that there is no certainty. Some might not see that as respect, I suppose?


It's not disrepectful to question, To debate.
It's disrespectful to make a statement, Such as, God is not real.
It is far better to say that I do not believe in God, Or I do not believe God is real.
That is open minded, sensitive and respectful.

To me anyway, I know others would disagree.

And yes, I have been in the same boat, Claiming God is real. I condemn myself.
Though I do not feel that when I say God is real, It is insulting, Because God is available to everyone, And it is not intellegence or a basis in reality that affects this belief, But personal experience and an ability to seek Him.
But I try to be respectful, And one can only expect such in return when debating.

And it's just human, To retaliate when attacked.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
I'm sorry, I have to point this out.
You just said 'My God' and then went on to say there is no God.
I know you didn't mean it like that, But I can't help but find it amusing.
It's the little things, You know? :D

I'm not sad you left Christianity, I'm just sad you left God.
But to each their own, And I wish you the best in your Godless life, Sincerely.

Thank you, and i wish you the best in your godly life, but i hope this is not the end of our little talks, i do enjoy them.:)
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
It's not disrepectful to question, To debate.
It's disrespectful to make a statement, Such as, God is not real.
It is far better to say that I do not believe in God, Or I do not believe God is real.
That is open minded, sensitive and respectful.

To me anyway, I know others would disagree.

And yes, I have been in the same boat, Claiming God is real. I condemn myself.
Though I do not feel that when I say God is real, It is insulting, Because God is available to everyone, And it is not intellegence or a basis in reality that affects this belief, But personal experience and an ability to seek Him.
But I try to be respectful, And one can only expect such in return when debating.

And it's just human, To retaliate when attacked.

Thanks for the perspective. It is human to retaliate when attacked. I find understanding other people's views on the world helps me get less personally angered. I can understand where they're coming from, even if I disagree, and even insulting comments are usually more about them than me.

Course, if I've had a bad day or a coupla beers, I can prefer making a smart-**** comment. :shrug:
 

Benoni

Well-Known Member
No, i have actually found Christ, and he is not someone from over two thousand years ago, he is right within me, and you also if you can see that.
I see that but it is the mixture of other religions where you are missing the mark as we;; as self being your guide.

The narrow way as Christ (Jesus), the broad way is religious bias, Too much religious baggage
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
It's not disrepectful to question, To debate.
It's disrespectful to make a statement, Such as, God is not real.
It is far better to say that I do not believe in God, Or I do not believe God is real.
That is open minded, sensitive and respectful.

To me anyway, I know others would disagree.

And yes, I have been in the same boat, Claiming God is real. I condemn myself.
Though I do not feel that when I say God is real, It is insulting, Because God is available to everyone, And it is not intellegence or a basis in reality that affects this belief, But personal experience and an ability to seek Him.
But I try to be respectful, And one can only expect such in return when debating.

And it's just human, To retaliate when attacked.

I believe somewhat similar. I don't mind it when people question my faith, but there is a world of difference between asking "What are the reasons you believe in God?" and "How could you possibly believe in God, God is not even real!?" Some people can't even see the difference between those two and it makes me sad. And we are only human. I mean, if someone thinks I am delusional, crazy, etc because I believe in God, that is their right and I shouldn't let it bother me. In most moods, it wouldn't bother me but once in a while, when I am not in such a good mood, it just might and I might react to it.
 

Thana

Lady
I believe somewhat similar. I don't mind it when people question my faith, but there is a world of difference between asking "What are the reasons you believe in God?" and "How could you possibly believe in God, God is not even real!?" Some people can't even see the difference between those two and it makes me sad. And we are only human. I mean, if someone thinks I am delusional, crazy, etc because I believe in God, that is their right and I shouldn't let it bother me. In most moods, it wouldn't bother me but once in a while, when I am not in such a good mood, it just might and I might react to it.

Yeah, I am unfortunately quick to anger when people make such statements.
I forget that they usually aren't trying to be insulting, They just don't/can't understand.
 

illykitty

RF's pet cat
That may be true, but were talking about an imaginary friend here, not an actual loved one, big difference.

Well that's a little insensitive and impolite. God(s)/spirit/energy is very real to people who believe. Not imaginary.

I agreed with some of your posts back then (finding true self and such) but I don't think that eliminates god/energy/whatever you decide to call it. Everyone finds their own beliefs, there's no truth. No one knows.

Just because you have found some of your answers doesn't make it reality for all, it merely makes it your reality. Hopefully that makes sense. I'm not going to apply my reality on everyone and call someone else's beliefs imaginary (as a derogatory term) because it doesn't confirm to my subjective findings.
 
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psychoslice

Veteran Member
I see that but it is the mixture of other religions where you are missing the mark as we;; as self being your guide.

The narrow way as Christ (Jesus), the broad way is religious bias, Too much religious baggage

No I have no religious baggage, I dropped that years ago, also when I say that Christ is withn me I am not talking about Jesus, Christ is only a label, its beyond the mind, its our connection to the source or the father if you want to use that metaphor.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Well that's a little insensitive and impolite. God(s)/spirit/energy is very real to people who believe. Not imaginary.

I agreed with some of your posts back then (finding true self and such) but I don't think that eliminates god/energy/whatever you decide to call it. Everyone finds their own beliefs, there's no truth. No one knows.

Just because you have found some of your answers doesn't make it reality for all, it merely makes it your reality. Hopefully that makes sense. I'm not going to apply my reality on everyone and call someone else's beliefs imaginary (as a derogatory term) because it doesn't confirm to my subjective findings.

Yes I agree, I cannot truly prove to you what I feel is truth but can you also admite that?.
 

illykitty

RF's pet cat
Yes I agree, I cannot truly prove to you what I feel is truth but can you also admite that?.

Yes, what I feel and believe only applies to me and I admit I have no (outside) proof nor do I feel compelled to tell others what to believe.

I have found my own conclusions and others have their own... So what if that conclusion is God? That person might have gone through as much of a journey as you and me. We have no idea what they feel nor what they experienced.

As long as they don't try to push their truth on me, I'm fine. They can respect my truth then I'll respect theirs.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Yes, what I feel and believe only applies to me and I admit I have no (outside) proof nor do I feel compelled to tell others what to believe.

I have found my own conclusions and others have their own... So what if that conclusion is God? That person might have gone through as much of a journey as you and me. We have no idea what they feel nor what they experienced.

As long as they don't try to push their truth on me, I'm fine. They can respect my truth then I'll respect theirs.

Yep, and that is all i was getting at, and that is how it should be, all of us minding our own business. But its not like that, and it will never change until we let these people know that we don't like it when they shove their beliefs down our necks. And of course that goes for me also, if I have a belief its mine and mine only .
 

averageJOE

zombie
I believe somewhat similar. I don't mind it when people question my faith, but there is a world of difference between asking "What are the reasons you believe in God?" and "How could you possibly believe in God, God is not even real!?" Some people can't even see the difference between those two and it makes me sad. And we are only human. I mean, if someone thinks I am delusional, crazy, etc because I believe in God, that is their right and I shouldn't let it bother me. In most moods, it wouldn't bother me but once in a while, when I am not in such a good mood, it just might and I might react to it.

There is also a flip side though. And that is when people try to push Christianity on others. For example; when someone says "There needs to be prayer time during school", they really mean christian prayer. Or try to use the Christian bible as a reason to deny same sex marriage. By claiming this is country is founded on Christianity. Or when I was in Iraq, our platoon sergeant "requiring" us to participate in little prayer circles before rolling out on missions and at all times carrying little bibles with us (I didn't do either).
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
And yet, few fields can make many human beings as unwilling to face the evidence as religion. It is exactly because these ideas are so central to their lives that they don’t want anyone to plant doubts in their minds.

So, is religion really for the weak minded, is it just a crutch for those who need something to just believe in, something to make their life worth living, then if this is so, should we or not still questions these peoples beliefs, or should we just leave them where they are happy in their beliefs.
I think you fail to understand the role religion plays in people's lives to attach the term "weak-minded" to it in their resistance to question it. Religion is tied to and informs and supports ones worldview. It's not merely some propositional truth that one considers the evidence over to decide whether or not it's "true" as you would a news report about some story. I believe you are mistaking what religious truths are with scientific truths.

A religion, its practices, its customs, its beliefs are tied to ones culture and values. Its tied to family and tradition. Its tied to loyalties. Its tied to self-identity. When someone moves in with challenges to traditional understandings, they are viewed as a threat to a way of life. These ways of life are built upon cultural transmissions, not rational propositional truths. People are afraid of moving because they think they will amputate their own culture, their family values, their grandparent's values. So this fear of amputation is what freezes people and makes them entrenched in their own camp.

What you seem exacerbated by is that others can't move into the worldviews you've adopted. They should be able to shift their center of gravity away from their own past to the future you've found for yourself. And to go after their sacred cows, showing how illogical or irrational these associated beliefs are they still hold to as part of that system, should be enough to get them to see the light and be saved.

It doesn't work like that. However someone can move to the next camp and retain the beauty of the traditions and myths, while at the same time understanding there are different perspectives. This is not something arrived at through logic arguments, but through a shift in worldviews, through a stage of development. That is something very individualistic, and nothing so called reason can create.

People often mistake that their own changes like this happened because they "heard the truth" and it changed their minds. I think they are blinded to what was going on in themselves long before they "heard the truth" and changed. They were hearing the same things all along, but they weren't ready or needed a change for where they were at in their lives. They didn't need to change. Then something happened internally, and something was no longer working for them. There were some subtle inner conflicts, some need not being met. That's when they listened to another voice that seem to speak to that new need, and it seems to fit sufficiently enough for them to make the move to the next stage of growth for them.

So, in all this, I think you'll see a different way to view this.

So should I just keep my big mouth shut and say nothing, or should I tiptoe around egg shells trying no to say the wrong words, as I said its frustrating.:confused:
No, just take into account where people are at in how you approach them.
 
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