Why are there still Monkeys?

[FearGod]

There are just two possibilities. Either a thing happens by magic or it happens by mechanism; magic 'poofing' vs cause and effect.

There are physical laws which explain the mechanisms by which things happen. 'Goddidit' implies God magically overrode the very laws He, Himself put into place.
Why would He have to do that, unless His design were defective?

Natural selection/evolution implies a well-designed Universe, but makes God invisible, in fact, unnecessary.
Magic provides evidence of intervention but implies a defectively designed universe.

Don't you think that there should be a starter for the universe to exist.

There was no space, no universe and just nothingness at all to begin with.

How you explain things to exist out of nothingness.

Do you got a proven scientific answers ?

 

[Mycroft]

Don't you think that there should be a starter for the universe to exist.

There was no space, no universe and just nothingness at all to begin with.

How you explain things it to exist out of nothingness.

Do you got a proven scientific answers ?

No, there are no proven scientific answers yet. But not having the answer does not automatically lend itself to the possibility of creation, does it?

Scientists are still investigating what existed before the big bang. Even investigating the idea of 'nothing' and what that 'nothing' might be if there even was a 'nothing' at all. Eventually we'll find the answer. Maybe not today, nor tomorrow, but eventually.

The difference is Scientists are man-enough to say 'We don't know, but we'll try to find out' rather than point to some ridiculous explanation with no proof at all.

 

[metis]

No, there are no proven scientific answers yet. But not having the answer does not automatically lend itself to the possibility of creation, does it?

Scientists are still investigating what existed before the big bang. Even investigating the idea of 'nothing' and what that 'nothing' might be if there even was a 'nothing' at all. Eventually we'll find the answer. Maybe not today, nor tomorrow, but eventually.

The difference is Scientists are man-enough to say 'We don't know, but we'll try to find out' rather than point to some ridiculous explanation with no proof at all.

:clap Thank you.

 

[Valjean]

Don't you think that there should be a starter for the universe to exist.

There was no space, no universe and just nothingness at all to begin with.

How you explain things it to exist out of nothingness.

Do you got a proven scientific answers ?

1) Where did the 'starter' come from? Who started the starter?
2) There are no "proven" scientific answers to anything. Science does not prove things
3) Existence from nothingness is the realm of physics. If you seriously want to research this you can Google Big Bang Theory, Quantum Mechanics or Cosmology.
3.1) "God created it" does not explain how the Universe came to be. It is only an assertion of agency -- it just states who did it, not how it was done.
Unlike physics, it explains nothing.

 

[ruffen]

Natural selection/evolution implies a well-designed Universe [...]

I don't know how you reached that conclusion? Natural selection and evolution is life adapting to the Universe, not the Universe being pre-adapted to life.

 

[ruffen]

There was no space, no universe and just nothingness at all to begin with.

Except for a fully functioning omnipotent deity with Universe-creating capabilities and the realm or reality in which he existed? Is that nothingness to you?

 

[FearGod]

No, there are no proven scientific answers yet. But not having the answer does not automatically lend itself to the possibility of creation, does it?

What other possibilities you have ?

Scientists are still investigating what existed before the big bang. Even investigating the idea of 'nothing' and what that 'nothing' might be if there even was a 'nothing' at all. Eventually we'll find the answer. Maybe not today, nor tomorrow, but eventually.

We'll reach to a point where there was nothingness, how "zeros" can make "ones" ?

The difference is Scientists are man-enough to say 'We don't know, but we'll try to find out' rather than point to some ridiculous explanation with no proof at all.

It isn't about being a man-enough to say we don't know but it is a fact that they don't know.

 

[Valjean]

What other possibilities you have ?

Big Bang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[idav]

It isn't about being a man-enough to say we don't know but it is a fact that they don't know.

Theists don't know either. "God did it" is an assertion of a faith based claim.

 

[idav]

There was no space, no universe and just nothingness at all to begin with.

Who says this? Your grasping.

As far as I have seen there appears to be evidence that there is something outside the universe.

 

[Valjean]

I don't know how you reached that conclusion? Natural selection and evolution is life adapting to the Universe, not the Universe being pre-adapted to life.

Sorry, you're correct, of course.
My point is that life can adapt and function independent of magical, outside intervention. Things work with no God needed.

 

[ruffen]

Sorry, you're correct, of course.
My point is that life can adapt and function independent of magical, outside intervention. Things work with no God needed.

Okay, then we agree.

 

[FearGod]

Big Bang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and where did singularity come from ?

 

[idav]

and where did singularity come from ?

Now aint that the million dollar question. IMO itself, same place any god of infinite power would come from.

 

[ruffen]

and where did singularity come from ?

From God? Where did God come from? Adding God into the mix solves nothing in terms of cutting down a possibly eternal causal chain.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

Now aint that the million dollar question. IMO

If you don't know, the conversation should stop right there. Ignorance is uncomfortable for humans to bear, but it is what it is.

The falsehood is to state, "I don't know where the singularity comes from ... So it must be God!"

If you don't know, then you don't say, "It must be ... " anything!

 

[idav]

If you don't know, the conversation should stop right there. Ignorance is uncomfortable for humans to bear, but it is what it is.

The falsehood is to state, "I don't know where the singularity comes from ... So it must be God!"

If you don't know, then you don't say, "It must be ... " anything!

Haha, if you don't like my opinion just say so.

 

[idav]

All that power and energy came from somewhere or it just simply existed. Saying it came from god answers nothing, I agree.

The singularity just existing by its own nature is easier to grasp than bringing in a super deity that just exists by some miracle, to miraculously bring about the infinite energy that would be the singularity.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

The singularity just existing by its own nature is easier to grasp than bringing in a super deity that just exists by some miracle, to miraculously bring about the infinite energy that would be the singularity.

Agreed.

 

[ruffen]

If something caused the Universe to come into existence, whether or not it itself was caused or eternal or whatever, the big question then is, is there any evidence that this something was/is intelligent and conscious?

I'd say no, there is no "signature" in the Universe that conceptually cannot come from any natural processes, discovered or not.