Why are there still Monkeys?

[FearGod]

You think an aardvark is closer?

Can be uncle ?

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Great uncle aardvark?

 

[idav]

Can be uncle ?

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Great uncle aardvark?

A chimp is closer though, a closer cousin less removed.

 

[McBell]

Cause and effect.

Until you get to your god, Then you toss the very thing you use to get to your god out the window so you do not have to dismiss your god with the very thng you use to get to him.

 

[Parsimony]

FearGod, I may be mistaken, but aren't you a theistic evolutionist? That is, you believe that evolution happened but that it was planned ahead by God? I want to think I saw you say that in another thread.

 

[FearGod]

FearGod, I may be mistaken, but aren't you a theistic evolutionist? That is, you believe that evolution happened but that it was planned ahead by God? I want to think I saw you say that in another thread.

Yes true.

I believe that the same elements used to create the chimps is similar to the elements that used to create humans,i agree that there were different creatures before the creation of human and they share the same elements with some differences.

So i believe human is a new creation made by the same elements,somehow similar to old TVs and modern TVs.

 

[idav]

Yes true.

I believe that the same elements used to create the chimps is similar to the elements that used to create humans,i agree that there were different creatures before the creation of human and they share the same elements with some differences.

So i believe human is a new creation made by the same elements,somehow similar to old TVs and modern TVs.

I have to wonder. If each species divergence in evolution is a creation, why make it look like a mindless process? It would appear it happens by minor dna changes becoming major dna changes as time goes on, it leaves no room for creation at every step of divergence. Mutations and changes happen naturally without need for divine intervention every step of the way.

 

[FearGod]

I have to wonder. If each species divergence in evolution is a creation, why make it look like a mindless process? It would appear it happens by minor dna changes becoming major dna changes as time goes on, it leaves no room for creation at every step of divergence. Mutations and changes happen naturally without need for divine intervention every step of the way.

Happening naturally, such as the ability to learn and speaking fluently.

What do you mean by happening naturally ?
By accidents,randomness and chances

 

[idav]

Happening naturally, such as the ability to learn and speaking fluently.

What do you mean by happening naturally ?
By accidents,randomness and chances

No, naturally is by cause and effect(cause and effect is deterministic), no divine intervention. Like when I grow a plant with a seed or procreate, these things are natural. Evolution is said to happen naturally. So the question becomes, where is this creationist intervention necessary, science should be able to test it. All mutation difference of human and chimp require no special intervention and can happen naturally,even the chromosome difference, where two are fused.

 

[FearGod]

No, naturally is by cause and effect(cause and effect is deterministic), no divine intervention. Like when I grow a plant with a seed or procreate, these things are natural. Evolution is said to happen naturally. So the question becomes, where is this creationist intervention necessary, science should be able to test it. All mutation difference of human and chimp require no special intervention and can happen naturally,even the chromosome difference, where two are fused.

And why the cause and effect can't be a divine one.
Whats your proof that God is excluded from the process ?

 

[idav]

And why the cause and effect can't be a divine one.
Whats your proof that God is excluded from the process ?

That can neither be confirmed or denied. That can be tested if we can find some sort of hidden volition as the cause, otherwise we are lead to just take it as it looks, cause and effect. If God is just thrown to the beginning cause of existence only, whether willed or not,then god is just chilling letting nature do the work, no intervention required.

 

[FearGod]

That can neither be confirmed or denied. That can be tested if we can find some sort of hidden volition as the cause, otherwise we are lead to just take it as it looks, cause and effect. If God is just thrown to the beginning cause of existence only, whether willed or not,then god is just chilling letting nature do the work, no intervention required.

Did God naturally make the Jews to be superior in this world and to win against Muslims and to conquer Jerusalem exactly as have been foretold and promised in the scripture.

 

[idav]

Did God naturally make the Jews to be superior in this world and to win against Muslims and to conquer Jerusalem exactly as have been foretold and promised in the scripture.

No humans have been superior.

 

[FearGod]

No humans have been superior.

There is no super powers in this world.

 

[idav]

There is no super powers in this world.

That goes beyond the context of your question. Humans are all humans they aren't better than other humans. And a super power certainly doesn't make them better or superior, not by a long shot.

 

[FearGod]

That goes beyond the context of your question. Humans are all humans they aren't better than other humans. And a super power certainly doesn't make them better or superior, not by a long shot.

Super by force, isn't it the case today.

Jews were very weak while the muslims were a super power, God foretold that in end times the Jews will be the super power and will be gathered in Palestine coming from different parts of the world.

Isn't it the case nowadays and did those things happen by nature too.

 

[outhouse]

Evolution is a Fact and a Theory

facts not fiction.

 

[MD]

Evolution is a Fact and a Theory

facts not fiction.

opcorn:opcorn:

 

[Man of Faith]

Evolution is a Fact and a Theory

facts not fiction.

Please tell us, which model of evolution is a fact, the tree model that the OP shows, or the web model that is the emerging model?

 

[Man of Faith]

Naturalists are not the only ones who accept evolution.

The ToE is a wholly and completely naturalistic theory, so anyone that accepts it, accepts naturalism and I prefer to refer to them as naturalists to that respect.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]