Why are there still Monkeys?

[idav]

You don't realize the difference between body and soul.

Again sperm count was needed to be in millions and it is designed to be so and not a work of randomness.

I do though, and have heard things like that about souls from catholics. It has nothing to do with the point though, its like changing the subject.

Now, even your claim that sperm is not random, just deterministic, should suit evolution just fine. Evolution doesn't rest on determinism or randomness!

Natural selection is but one of many observed mechanisms. Whether you believe it is deterministic or random makes no difference to evolution. Through nature selection of mates happens, the ones that die because of environmental issues don't get to mate.

 

[FearGod]

Most organisms don't fossilize since the fossilization process can only occur under highly restrictive conditions. Therefore, the Spanish find would only be one of myriads of organisms like it, and they may have lived over a wide area around the Mediterranean and maybe elsewhere. Just because one fossilized proto-ape shows up in Spain doesn't mean that all of them lived there or that their descendants would have had to stay there. Nor can we conclude that they only existed 13 million years ago as the evolution of species is not some sort of constant.

Needless to say, this entire process is not simple, so it's not like that evolution occurs very nice and gradual along some sort of simplistic path. Instead, it's much more a herky-jerky process.

bla bla bla.

What evidences you have to back up your claims ?

 

[metis]

bla bla bla.

What evidences you have to back up your claims ?

And why are you being so dishonest in your approach here? And why do you blindly believe in an illiterate merchant that you never met and whom lived over 1400 years ago, and yet you don't even attempt to try and understand the objective evidence that we provide you?

 

[FearGod]

You have not provided us with any evidence yourself, including the evidence I called for regarding your religious beliefs (btw, I didn't realize you're Muslem, so part of what I asked doesn't apply). There are a fair number of articles on the above, so let me just post one:

Pierolapithecus catalaunicus is an extinct species of primate which lived about 13 million years ago during the Miocene in what is now Hostalets de Pierola, Catalonia, giving the name to the species. It is believed by some to be a common ancestor of both modern humans and the other great apes, or at least a species that brings us closer to a common ancestor than any previous fossil discovery.

The species was described by a team of Catalan paleoanthropologists led by Salvador Moyà-Solà on the basis of a fossil specimen discovered in December 2002. The finding was first reported in the journal Science on November 19, 2004.

Pierolapithecus had special adaptations for tree climbing, just as humans and other great apes do: a wide, flat ribcage, a stiff lower spine, flexible wrists, and shoulder blades that lay along its back. Monkeys and lesser apes show more generalized characteristics. The ape does have more primitive, monkey-like features, however, such as a sloped face and short fingers and toes.

The hypothesis that this new species was an ancestor of all modern great apes is controversial because of its location in the Iberian Peninsula, since all the existing great ape species live in either Southeast Asia or Africa, and Africa has been the location for so much of the evolution of great apes and humans. However, the Mediterranean Sea expanded and contracted frequently in the past, permitting the dispersal of life between Africa and Europe and the Pierolapithecus could have lived on both continents.
Rather than a full common ancestor, it has been suggested that the species may be ancestral to humans, chimpanzees and gorillas but not orangutans, given certain characteristics of the face. -- Pierolapithecus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now, if you were to be an honest person, instead of just posting "bla bla bla" yourself, you undoubtedly should show us what evidence that you have on this that would indicate that what I'm saying is somehow wrong, plus post answer to my religious questions towards you. By doing both, you could actually post more than just the "bla bla bla" that you dishonestly stated I did.

What you brought here is some information on Pierolapithecus and Speculations?

The thread isn't about religion,if religion doesn't make sense to you then that isn't enough reason to believe in the nonsense.

I won't say to you that 1+ 1 doesn't equal 2, but saying A + B = 2, i would say i ain't sure except if you can tell me what is exactly the values for A & B

 

[metis]

What you brought here is some information on Pierolapithecus and Speculations?

The thread isn't about religion,if religion doesn't make sense to you then that isn't enough reason to believe in the nonsense.

I won't say to you that 1+ 1 doesn't equal 2, but saying A + B = 2, i would say i ain't sure except if you can tell me what is exactly the values for A & B

First of all, I can't make heads nor tails of the last line. Secondly, I brought up religion mainly in the context that you believe in that, which has no objective evidence to support it, and yet you virtually ignore the evidence we may present while at the same time writing such "intelligent" things such as "bla bla bla". And yet it was you who accused me of being ignorant on such matters, while you on the other hand have offered nothing but disingenuous sarcasm and refusing to even try and answer my questions.

 

[Aman777]

First of all, I can't make heads nor tails of the last line.

Dear metis, Let me get this correct. You can't understand when a man of Islam doesn't agree with a Jewish poster. Where have you been all your life? God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[FearGod]

Dear metis, Let me get this correct. You can't understand when a man of Islam doesn't agree with a Jewish poster. Where have you been all your life? God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

Dear Aman, that isn't the case.

I don't treat people according to their belief whether if they were Christian,Jewish,Atheist or whatever religion else.

 

[outhouse]

STOP YOUR POE

Lets work with facts, not your biased opinion.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin

 

[Aman777]

Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin

Dear Readers, Some use the definition that being nuts means that you repeat the SAME thing over and over again, while expecting different results. Such is indicated. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[outhouse]

STOP YOUR POE

Lets work with facts, not your biased opinion.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin

 

[Aman777]

Dear Aman, that isn't the case.

I don't treat people according to their belief whether if they were Christian,Jewish,Atheist or whatever religion else.

Dear FearGod, Sorry, I was just reading through the posts and saw the irony of a self avowed Jew finding it hard to believe that a Muslim would disagree with him. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[FearGod]

STOP YOUR POE

Lets work with facts, not your biased opinion.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin

And what is life ?

Take for example the human being.

Is the sperm alive or is the egg alive or can both interact with the presence of oxygen and water to progress to a human being.

Can't you realize how complicated life is ?

If you are talking about changes on earth for millions of years which caused life to exist and to evolve then we are talking about chances and accidents.

 

[Aman777]

STOP YOUR POE

Lets work with facts, not your biased opinion.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin

Dear Readers, Some use the definition that being nuts means that you repeat the SAME thing over and over again, while expecting different results. Such is indicated. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[metis]

Dear Aman, that isn't the case.

I don't treat people according to their belief whether if they were Christian,Jewish,Atheist or whatever religion else.

And for the record, nor do I.

 

[MD]

STOP YOUR POE

Nevermore...

 

[idav]

If you are talking about changes on earth for millions of years which caused life to exist and to evolve then we are talking about chances and accidents.

Not if they believe in determinism, determinism means set since the beginning through cause and effect which is pretty much not randomness. A theist uses determinism to say god made it like that since the beginning but amounts to the same thing. Your talking about chance is nothing really, evolution needs neither. The evidence points somewhere, these things are occurring, chance or not is not the issue. Not all atheists believe in free will, nor do all theists.

 

[outhouse]

Dear Readers, Some use the definition that being nuts means that you repeat the SAME thing over and over again,

:biglaugh:

ratting on yourself, You are the biggest violater! repeating your mythology over and over.

Avoiding or running from facts you cannot deal with.


Because your POE

 

[idav]

Because your POE

Do we know it is POE, always hard to tell if someone is sincere. When he admitted to being POE he did it by denying knowing what it was. You don't put it passed anyone to believe just about anything through use of the bible?

 

[Aman777]

Do we know it is POE, always hard to tell if someone is sincere. When he admitted to being POE he did it by denying knowing what it was. You don't put it passed anyone to believe just about anything through use of the bible?

Dear idav, Don't tell anyone but I'm getting worried about the mental health of my old buddy. The nicer you are to him, the more he hides and whines and spams and does things which are really weird.

I still don't know if the definition of POE is a Creationist, to which I have plead guilty, or some other definition of those who reject God and His children. So be nice and easy on our old buddy since we don't want to see him melt down into a pool of water, from which he was made. Gen 1:21 God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[outhouse]

Do we know it is POE,?

Yes.

Dont let him sucker you.

he/she admitted to posting for a reaction and enjoying it.